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Cúchulain is exclusively in Irish mythology; the story about the tales of Cu being lost is a tale, that may or may not be accurate. The central ms. is Lebor na hUidre, in English, the Book of the Dun Cow, largely because that version of the Tain is the oldest recension. There is no Book of the Dun Crow. Honest. I wouldn't kid you about that. DigitalMedievalist 01:08, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC) Lisa
Are there any dates regarding when Cúchulainn was supposed to have lived?
Well there are Estimates. It was most likely some time before 1AD, as the Chariot was still a major Weapon in use, and because in the Stories Cúchulainn goes to Britain, but there is no mention of the Romans. So I would think it must be set before the Roman invasion of Britain at least, and perhaps much earlier, before the Roman Empire existed at all. I'd guess the Cúchulainn Legend could be set any time between say 500BC and 1AD. As to whether he actually ever really lived at all, well that's a different discussion. Hibernain
True enough, however mentions of characters in relation to the birth of Christ does sound allot like Later Priestly interferences to me, which would make me fairly suspicious of such dates. I would still tend to think of it as pre 1AD, but I suppose that's just my opinion. Hibernain
There are conflicting accounts of who fathered Cuchulainn. In the Tain Lugh claims Cuchulainn as his son, but the The Birth of Cuchulainn says that Dechtine miscarried Lugh's child and that Cuchulainn was the son of Sualdam. Is there more definitive information on this? Celsiana
Should Cúchullain redirect to this article? It seems very similar although it seems talks about him being Scottish more, but it's not as if you have seperate articles for Bacchus and Dionysus -- 86.130.159.44 16:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
There has been loads of edits done to change the part explaining the pronunciation of Cúchulainn’s name, Sétanta (pronounced as say-tan-ta). Some editors have put in different pronunciations like, shay-dan-ta, is there any clear definition of the pronunciation, I mean I always though it was se-tan-ta, but what do I know? -- Hibernian 22:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I've always heard "shay-tan-ta", but I don't think that there's a "standard" pronunciation for it. Celsiana 02:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
In my copy of Thomas Kinsella's translation of the Tain Bo Cuailnge I have a list of Kinsella's own 'sugested pronunciations' and he goes with shay-dan-da.... just throwing that out there. Fergus mac Róich 23:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I speak Irish and did my degree in it. In Old Irish it was most likely Shay-dan-da just as Kinsella suggests. I don't think that the modern pronuciation by English speakers is relevent to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EoinBach ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I note that the books of Gregory Frost, The Tain, and Remscela are not listed. Even more notable is the wonderful album by the Irish band Horslips, Tain. I find it hard to credit that these items were left out. xponentrob@comcast.net 98.197.36.62 03:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I don't know how relevant this is, but many pages like this have a "Cuchulainn in popular culture" type part, and I actually just looked this up because Final Fantasy 12 has an Esper named Cuchulainn and I was going crazy because I was *SURE* I knew that name from somewhere! Just thought I'd mention and see if anyone thought it would be appropriate.... Arianna 04:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The number one pop culture reference I know of would be that he appears in Fate/stay night as Lancer. I'm not sure whether that merits a mention in this article, though. -- grm_wnr Esc 10:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this, so I am not sure of the formalities, but I just thought I would mention that the opening song of the popular movie "Boondock Saints" is entitled "The Blood of Cuchulainn". 64.247.80.69 01:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There's also Cu Chulainn in the Atlus series, Shin Megami Tensei (and spin-offs) series. He's a demon there, and in some of the games you can fight him, and the others he is mutated from Setanta. Does this game count for popular culture? Aoritsuki 07:18, 05 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to add the "Cú Chulainn the Awakened" Yu-Gi-Oh card. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/C%C3%BA_Chulainn_the_Awakened and http://duellinks.gamea.co/c/hhd8i40h 143.129.70.61 ( talk) 13:37, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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What is the source for this section? I know the story only from Yeats' play and had thought that it was his own elaboration of the myth. It would be nice to get a cite, as the stories are so various. And if it's a modern literary invention it should be marked as such Dybryd 10:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The trivia and pop culture section of the articles is now very long and probably needs to be placed into its own new article, called Cúchulainn in popular culture or something like that (in the same vein as many other similar articles). So does anyone want to create it? Opinions? -- Hibernian 01:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
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What is with the audio pronunciation? Is it Ulster dialect?
Yes I have to agree - it's a long way from what we would say in Munster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.153.207 ( talk) 22:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
In Irish a fada on a syllable makes it long. Only the first u contains a fada and so only the first u can be long. It is possible his name was originally spelt using the totally diferent letters and markings of old irish 6th to 10th centuries ad, primitive irish 4th to 6th centuries ad or even earlier versions of ogham or celtic. Ogham is a writing system that was one of the world's few writing systems which rose independently. Above it is written using the letters and markings of modern Irish and until somebody has researched the older languages we can only make the first u long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colmno3 ( talk • contribs) 18:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Correct my memory but I thought Lugh or someone was cuchulainn's Dad. At least in tories I heard... JackorKnave ( talk) 18:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Three points:
The phrase is pointless, redundant and wrong. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 12:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, if an outsider researching the subject tried to gain an understanding and hence came across the Wiki article, nowhere within the article is there ANY mention of the original manuscripts being of Gaelic origin. A fact is a fact. Secondly regardless of 'Ancient' being used, despite the Ulster cycle having its roots from the 8th century, it does not make the inclusion of that one line "Gaelic literature'- meaningless, devoid, redundant, not valid etc etc. If the very fact is, that the legend of Cu Chulainn comes originally from Gaelic literature, what is the harm in including it within the article if it is not mentioned? especially in what is stated(the inserted 'From Gaelic literature') is ENTIRELY fact and indeed very important. Valid contributions such as the one I made is what Wikipedia is about, there is no point in policing an article without fully understanding the credentials of a valid contribution. Eireabu ( talk) 17:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The section listing pop culture references to Cuchulainn is not appropriate here. See the TRIVIA guideline. An encyclopedia article is not a list of random information, such as Gaelic football teams that are named for Cuchulainn. Moreover, the sections are not sourced to reliable, third party sources and thus their importance to the subject is questionable.-- Cúchullain t/ c 15:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Quite a few references contained within the pop culture section is very much appropiate here. The G.A.A refs for instance is not a simple piece of random information. As for the TRIVIA guideline that too underlines a reason for its inclusion rather than exclusion: QUOTE This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all. and QUOTE Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. This is clearly stated. Eireabu ( talk) 19:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi.
I was wondering why a reference was kept to Cú Chulainn being in the likes of Guardians of the Galaxy, and being an archetype for Sláine - yet the reference to
Lancer in the various
Fate/Stay Night-related games, manga and anime has been omitted.
The character plays a significant role in said setting - and is a playable character in games such as Fate/Unlimited Codes - so why is he not listed? -- Nerroth ( talk) 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Can we say that? If I recall back in the day the evidence is that the Connacht lads under no less than a woman usually beat these northerners, men who made love to horses (ahem!). Dunlavin Green ( talk) 00:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah? And how often does Medb actually win? ;) -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 12:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
EoinBach ( talk) 11:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)The current version has "At the age of seventeen he defended Ulster single-handedly against the armies of queen Medb of Connacht in the epic Táin Bó Cúailnge ("the Cattle Raid of Cooley"); for this, he is often referred to as the "Hound of Ulster"." However, he was not, as far I can tell, referred to in that way until fairly recently (and possibly tinged by politics). Cú Uladh (hound of Ulster) is actually a personal name in Irish and wasn't used for Cúchulain. I think that linking it to the Táin is misleading as it seems to suggest that this name was in use in the ancient literature and it wasn't - it is a new and novel use. I don't object to it being included in the article but not where it presently is.
My change has been reverted without any rational or reason to it, other than a personal message asking why I removed it (despite the reasons given above). It is my intention to revert this back and remove the 'Hound of Ulster' as this has no historical basis to it. As I have said above I think it can be incorporated in a separate section, something along the lines of 'modern usage' etc but not in the introduction.
Acording to LGBT themes in mythology, this character is bisexual? I havn't done any research yet, but tagged it as there is no mention here of any relationsips with the same sex.
Does anyone know where this comes from (even if disputed)? Yob Mod 13:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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15:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)A common mistake people make is describing the stories of Setanta as folklore. The majority of the stories were brought to us by translation ancient texts, and from prose/poetry that were learnt off by storytellers in the 17th Century.
The only Cú Chulainn related tales found in Scotland and Manx (before the modern era where books were published) from recitals of work that was learned from WRITTEN sources! Stories of Cú Chulainn cant always be described as a product of FOLKLORE, (in the sense the Fenian saga was, i.e passed down orally from generation to generation) but more as a literary figure. So i've put a citation needed mark, if anyone writes a section clarifying this, great!
All this is dealt with by Dáithí O hÓgáin in his epic work: "Myth,Legend and Romance - an Encyclopaedia of the Irish Folk Tradition (Ryan Publishing: London, 1990 / Prentice Hall: New York, 1991)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by CelticSeimi ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added an explanation of why the men of Ulster cannot fight: It's fundamental to the Tain bo cuailnge part of Cu Chulainn's story on a symbolic level: Cuchulainn is the only real man able to resist the armies lead by a woman. He's the only Ulster hero defending the bull on many fronts, including the symbolic reduction of all other ulster men to women - stripped of their manhood.
As suggested by user Cuchullain (sic.) I've made it shorter as I take the point it shouldn't be too verbose.
And neither should it be removed with the short comment "that level of detail isn't needed".
Jpgcwiki ( talk) 16:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
User Cuchulainn: the amount of time you've spent on Wikipedia seems to have made you forget the prime mechanism: A communal knowledge resource based on discussion. I've made a contribution that I've judged useful, which you reverted with little comment. I then took your brief comment on board, and reverted a modified version, together which an explanation of why the point is important.
By instantly reverting all changes and removing my comments on the talk page with no discussion, I lose all interest in contributing. If your kind of behaviour spreads, then Wikipedia will become no more than a list of pages written by amateurs who are incapable of accepting input from others.
However: There's still hope, since this is the first time I've observed behaviour to this degree.
Try and remember: This is not your little empire, it's a collaborative and organically growing resource, which Napoleonic reflexes can only destroy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpgcwiki ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Jpgcwiki ( talk) 13:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Cuchulainn, thanks for the response. In future
a) I should look down the talk page before jumping to conclusions b) You might consider using the discussion page before reverting changes too quickly.
I might have over-reacted, but I was not happy that a considered approach seemed met by a brick wall. I maintain that the pangs of Ulster are important in the detail that I gave them, for the reasons I gave. They are in the earliest two tain mss. and not "added at a later date". But I won't push the point.
Jpgcwiki ( talk) 07:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I think this section could use some minor work. The way the page is set up currently, there are only a few extremely limited cases of "Cultural depictions of Cú Chulainn", while the article used to list many more. These additional references have apparently been moved to the "Irish mythology in popular culture" section, but there is no mention of this in the "Cultural depictions" section, and furthermore, the "Irish mythology..." section is separate altogether and somewhat nonlinear due to the statue picture to the left. I believe this should be changed to either make clear the fact that there is another section showing the bulk of the "cultural depictions", or to just include the references in this article and link to "Irish mythology..." for those interested in cultural references to Irish mythological figures in general. Thoughts? Debollweevil ( talk) 17:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC) The only thing wrong with the article is it's failure to mention the possible Christian influence on the transcriptions written on Cú Chulainn, this is especially strange when the book sighted in the third footnote does.
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I've removed User:the Man in Question's edit that Cú Chulainn is "also called Conchulainn", even though it's cited, because it's a misunderstanding of the cite. Conchulainn is the genitive case of Cúchulainn, and appears in titles like Siaburcharpat Conculaind, meaning "the phantom chariot of Cúchulainn". It's the equivalent of starting an article "Joe Smith, also known as Joe Smith's". -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 07:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Conchulainn = Colmcille
I've removed (a) the supposed Middle Irish spelling "Cú Culaind" - you will occasionally find it spelled like that, but "Cú Chulaind" is more usual as Old and Middle Irish usually marked lentition of the letter c, and "Cú Chulainn" is also a Middle Irish spelling; (b) the video game references, which belong in Irish mythology in popular culture; and (c) the proposed Michael Fassbender film, because as yet you couldn't even call it "in development", let alone "in production" - the number of films at this stage that actually get made is tiny. Wait til there's more to report than an actor and a screenwriter expressing an aspiration to make a film. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 12:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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Came across this discussion [1] and thought id share it. Im not familiar with the tale of Cu Chulainn but maybe it's worth looking at. Finnlongman's dissertation isnt published yet but should be soon and I think itll be worth looking at. As I said Im not familiar with this tale but I feel like the subject of queerness in historical settings and stories is extremely ignored (intentionally or not). Cisgender heterosexual men raised in societies that are not open about this subject have for the most part been the scholars and historians analysing these stories and its their interpretations we've read. So I think its important to listen to the younger more open minded generation. They have fresh perspectives and can see things which may have been missed before. 71.63.156.179 ( talk) 21:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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This is not a new or obscure theory. Though, obviously, some are not pleased with it. The theory is certainly common enough that it deserves to be included. Stop the edit-warring. I would advise additional sourcing be added, because plenty of scholars have certainly mentioned it. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Sétanta doesn’t sound right. Wasn’t he Séadanta with or without a fada. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 08:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the birth section is just written really strangely? It's very clunky and hard to parse through, and a lot of details seem to have almost no meaning or correlation-- the two colts born to the mare are never explained as birth gifts to Sétanta, and it generally reads like a stream-of-consciousness rendition of his birth.
I wouldn't really know where to start editing it, or if other people deem it worthy of being edited. It may just be me too-- I'm willing to acknowledge I'm reading things pretty poorly, but this section just feels overly dense IMO.
The articles on Deichtine and Súaltam already have some better, albeit more brief versions of Cú Chulainn's birth story, that feel way less dense.
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Cúchulain is exclusively in Irish mythology; the story about the tales of Cu being lost is a tale, that may or may not be accurate. The central ms. is Lebor na hUidre, in English, the Book of the Dun Cow, largely because that version of the Tain is the oldest recension. There is no Book of the Dun Crow. Honest. I wouldn't kid you about that. DigitalMedievalist 01:08, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC) Lisa
Are there any dates regarding when Cúchulainn was supposed to have lived?
Well there are Estimates. It was most likely some time before 1AD, as the Chariot was still a major Weapon in use, and because in the Stories Cúchulainn goes to Britain, but there is no mention of the Romans. So I would think it must be set before the Roman invasion of Britain at least, and perhaps much earlier, before the Roman Empire existed at all. I'd guess the Cúchulainn Legend could be set any time between say 500BC and 1AD. As to whether he actually ever really lived at all, well that's a different discussion. Hibernain
True enough, however mentions of characters in relation to the birth of Christ does sound allot like Later Priestly interferences to me, which would make me fairly suspicious of such dates. I would still tend to think of it as pre 1AD, but I suppose that's just my opinion. Hibernain
There are conflicting accounts of who fathered Cuchulainn. In the Tain Lugh claims Cuchulainn as his son, but the The Birth of Cuchulainn says that Dechtine miscarried Lugh's child and that Cuchulainn was the son of Sualdam. Is there more definitive information on this? Celsiana
Should Cúchullain redirect to this article? It seems very similar although it seems talks about him being Scottish more, but it's not as if you have seperate articles for Bacchus and Dionysus -- 86.130.159.44 16:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
There has been loads of edits done to change the part explaining the pronunciation of Cúchulainn’s name, Sétanta (pronounced as say-tan-ta). Some editors have put in different pronunciations like, shay-dan-ta, is there any clear definition of the pronunciation, I mean I always though it was se-tan-ta, but what do I know? -- Hibernian 22:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I've always heard "shay-tan-ta", but I don't think that there's a "standard" pronunciation for it. Celsiana 02:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
In my copy of Thomas Kinsella's translation of the Tain Bo Cuailnge I have a list of Kinsella's own 'sugested pronunciations' and he goes with shay-dan-da.... just throwing that out there. Fergus mac Róich 23:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I speak Irish and did my degree in it. In Old Irish it was most likely Shay-dan-da just as Kinsella suggests. I don't think that the modern pronuciation by English speakers is relevent to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EoinBach ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I note that the books of Gregory Frost, The Tain, and Remscela are not listed. Even more notable is the wonderful album by the Irish band Horslips, Tain. I find it hard to credit that these items were left out. xponentrob@comcast.net 98.197.36.62 03:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I don't know how relevant this is, but many pages like this have a "Cuchulainn in popular culture" type part, and I actually just looked this up because Final Fantasy 12 has an Esper named Cuchulainn and I was going crazy because I was *SURE* I knew that name from somewhere! Just thought I'd mention and see if anyone thought it would be appropriate.... Arianna 04:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The number one pop culture reference I know of would be that he appears in Fate/stay night as Lancer. I'm not sure whether that merits a mention in this article, though. -- grm_wnr Esc 10:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I am new to this, so I am not sure of the formalities, but I just thought I would mention that the opening song of the popular movie "Boondock Saints" is entitled "The Blood of Cuchulainn". 64.247.80.69 01:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There's also Cu Chulainn in the Atlus series, Shin Megami Tensei (and spin-offs) series. He's a demon there, and in some of the games you can fight him, and the others he is mutated from Setanta. Does this game count for popular culture? Aoritsuki 07:18, 05 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to add the "Cú Chulainn the Awakened" Yu-Gi-Oh card. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/C%C3%BA_Chulainn_the_Awakened and http://duellinks.gamea.co/c/hhd8i40h 143.129.70.61 ( talk) 13:37, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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What is the source for this section? I know the story only from Yeats' play and had thought that it was his own elaboration of the myth. It would be nice to get a cite, as the stories are so various. And if it's a modern literary invention it should be marked as such Dybryd 10:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The trivia and pop culture section of the articles is now very long and probably needs to be placed into its own new article, called Cúchulainn in popular culture or something like that (in the same vein as many other similar articles). So does anyone want to create it? Opinions? -- Hibernian 01:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
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What is with the audio pronunciation? Is it Ulster dialect?
Yes I have to agree - it's a long way from what we would say in Munster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.153.207 ( talk) 22:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
In Irish a fada on a syllable makes it long. Only the first u contains a fada and so only the first u can be long. It is possible his name was originally spelt using the totally diferent letters and markings of old irish 6th to 10th centuries ad, primitive irish 4th to 6th centuries ad or even earlier versions of ogham or celtic. Ogham is a writing system that was one of the world's few writing systems which rose independently. Above it is written using the letters and markings of modern Irish and until somebody has researched the older languages we can only make the first u long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colmno3 ( talk • contribs) 18:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Correct my memory but I thought Lugh or someone was cuchulainn's Dad. At least in tories I heard... JackorKnave ( talk) 18:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Three points:
The phrase is pointless, redundant and wrong. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 12:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, if an outsider researching the subject tried to gain an understanding and hence came across the Wiki article, nowhere within the article is there ANY mention of the original manuscripts being of Gaelic origin. A fact is a fact. Secondly regardless of 'Ancient' being used, despite the Ulster cycle having its roots from the 8th century, it does not make the inclusion of that one line "Gaelic literature'- meaningless, devoid, redundant, not valid etc etc. If the very fact is, that the legend of Cu Chulainn comes originally from Gaelic literature, what is the harm in including it within the article if it is not mentioned? especially in what is stated(the inserted 'From Gaelic literature') is ENTIRELY fact and indeed very important. Valid contributions such as the one I made is what Wikipedia is about, there is no point in policing an article without fully understanding the credentials of a valid contribution. Eireabu ( talk) 17:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
The section listing pop culture references to Cuchulainn is not appropriate here. See the TRIVIA guideline. An encyclopedia article is not a list of random information, such as Gaelic football teams that are named for Cuchulainn. Moreover, the sections are not sourced to reliable, third party sources and thus their importance to the subject is questionable.-- Cúchullain t/ c 15:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Quite a few references contained within the pop culture section is very much appropiate here. The G.A.A refs for instance is not a simple piece of random information. As for the TRIVIA guideline that too underlines a reason for its inclusion rather than exclusion: QUOTE This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all. and QUOTE Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. This is clearly stated. Eireabu ( talk) 19:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi.
I was wondering why a reference was kept to Cú Chulainn being in the likes of Guardians of the Galaxy, and being an archetype for Sláine - yet the reference to
Lancer in the various
Fate/Stay Night-related games, manga and anime has been omitted.
The character plays a significant role in said setting - and is a playable character in games such as Fate/Unlimited Codes - so why is he not listed? -- Nerroth ( talk) 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Can we say that? If I recall back in the day the evidence is that the Connacht lads under no less than a woman usually beat these northerners, men who made love to horses (ahem!). Dunlavin Green ( talk) 00:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah? And how often does Medb actually win? ;) -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 12:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
EoinBach ( talk) 11:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)The current version has "At the age of seventeen he defended Ulster single-handedly against the armies of queen Medb of Connacht in the epic Táin Bó Cúailnge ("the Cattle Raid of Cooley"); for this, he is often referred to as the "Hound of Ulster"." However, he was not, as far I can tell, referred to in that way until fairly recently (and possibly tinged by politics). Cú Uladh (hound of Ulster) is actually a personal name in Irish and wasn't used for Cúchulain. I think that linking it to the Táin is misleading as it seems to suggest that this name was in use in the ancient literature and it wasn't - it is a new and novel use. I don't object to it being included in the article but not where it presently is.
My change has been reverted without any rational or reason to it, other than a personal message asking why I removed it (despite the reasons given above). It is my intention to revert this back and remove the 'Hound of Ulster' as this has no historical basis to it. As I have said above I think it can be incorporated in a separate section, something along the lines of 'modern usage' etc but not in the introduction.
Acording to LGBT themes in mythology, this character is bisexual? I havn't done any research yet, but tagged it as there is no mention here of any relationsips with the same sex.
Does anyone know where this comes from (even if disputed)? Yob Mod 13:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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15:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)A common mistake people make is describing the stories of Setanta as folklore. The majority of the stories were brought to us by translation ancient texts, and from prose/poetry that were learnt off by storytellers in the 17th Century.
The only Cú Chulainn related tales found in Scotland and Manx (before the modern era where books were published) from recitals of work that was learned from WRITTEN sources! Stories of Cú Chulainn cant always be described as a product of FOLKLORE, (in the sense the Fenian saga was, i.e passed down orally from generation to generation) but more as a literary figure. So i've put a citation needed mark, if anyone writes a section clarifying this, great!
All this is dealt with by Dáithí O hÓgáin in his epic work: "Myth,Legend and Romance - an Encyclopaedia of the Irish Folk Tradition (Ryan Publishing: London, 1990 / Prentice Hall: New York, 1991)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by CelticSeimi ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added an explanation of why the men of Ulster cannot fight: It's fundamental to the Tain bo cuailnge part of Cu Chulainn's story on a symbolic level: Cuchulainn is the only real man able to resist the armies lead by a woman. He's the only Ulster hero defending the bull on many fronts, including the symbolic reduction of all other ulster men to women - stripped of their manhood.
As suggested by user Cuchullain (sic.) I've made it shorter as I take the point it shouldn't be too verbose.
And neither should it be removed with the short comment "that level of detail isn't needed".
Jpgcwiki ( talk) 16:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
User Cuchulainn: the amount of time you've spent on Wikipedia seems to have made you forget the prime mechanism: A communal knowledge resource based on discussion. I've made a contribution that I've judged useful, which you reverted with little comment. I then took your brief comment on board, and reverted a modified version, together which an explanation of why the point is important.
By instantly reverting all changes and removing my comments on the talk page with no discussion, I lose all interest in contributing. If your kind of behaviour spreads, then Wikipedia will become no more than a list of pages written by amateurs who are incapable of accepting input from others.
However: There's still hope, since this is the first time I've observed behaviour to this degree.
Try and remember: This is not your little empire, it's a collaborative and organically growing resource, which Napoleonic reflexes can only destroy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpgcwiki ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Jpgcwiki ( talk) 13:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Cuchulainn, thanks for the response. In future
a) I should look down the talk page before jumping to conclusions b) You might consider using the discussion page before reverting changes too quickly.
I might have over-reacted, but I was not happy that a considered approach seemed met by a brick wall. I maintain that the pangs of Ulster are important in the detail that I gave them, for the reasons I gave. They are in the earliest two tain mss. and not "added at a later date". But I won't push the point.
Jpgcwiki ( talk) 07:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I think this section could use some minor work. The way the page is set up currently, there are only a few extremely limited cases of "Cultural depictions of Cú Chulainn", while the article used to list many more. These additional references have apparently been moved to the "Irish mythology in popular culture" section, but there is no mention of this in the "Cultural depictions" section, and furthermore, the "Irish mythology..." section is separate altogether and somewhat nonlinear due to the statue picture to the left. I believe this should be changed to either make clear the fact that there is another section showing the bulk of the "cultural depictions", or to just include the references in this article and link to "Irish mythology..." for those interested in cultural references to Irish mythological figures in general. Thoughts? Debollweevil ( talk) 17:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC) The only thing wrong with the article is it's failure to mention the possible Christian influence on the transcriptions written on Cú Chulainn, this is especially strange when the book sighted in the third footnote does.
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I've removed User:the Man in Question's edit that Cú Chulainn is "also called Conchulainn", even though it's cited, because it's a misunderstanding of the cite. Conchulainn is the genitive case of Cúchulainn, and appears in titles like Siaburcharpat Conculaind, meaning "the phantom chariot of Cúchulainn". It's the equivalent of starting an article "Joe Smith, also known as Joe Smith's". -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 07:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Conchulainn = Colmcille
I've removed (a) the supposed Middle Irish spelling "Cú Culaind" - you will occasionally find it spelled like that, but "Cú Chulaind" is more usual as Old and Middle Irish usually marked lentition of the letter c, and "Cú Chulainn" is also a Middle Irish spelling; (b) the video game references, which belong in Irish mythology in popular culture; and (c) the proposed Michael Fassbender film, because as yet you couldn't even call it "in development", let alone "in production" - the number of films at this stage that actually get made is tiny. Wait til there's more to report than an actor and a screenwriter expressing an aspiration to make a film. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 12:50, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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Came across this discussion [1] and thought id share it. Im not familiar with the tale of Cu Chulainn but maybe it's worth looking at. Finnlongman's dissertation isnt published yet but should be soon and I think itll be worth looking at. As I said Im not familiar with this tale but I feel like the subject of queerness in historical settings and stories is extremely ignored (intentionally or not). Cisgender heterosexual men raised in societies that are not open about this subject have for the most part been the scholars and historians analysing these stories and its their interpretations we've read. So I think its important to listen to the younger more open minded generation. They have fresh perspectives and can see things which may have been missed before. 71.63.156.179 ( talk) 21:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
References
This is not a new or obscure theory. Though, obviously, some are not pleased with it. The theory is certainly common enough that it deserves to be included. Stop the edit-warring. I would advise additional sourcing be added, because plenty of scholars have certainly mentioned it. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Sétanta doesn’t sound right. Wasn’t he Séadanta with or without a fada. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 08:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the birth section is just written really strangely? It's very clunky and hard to parse through, and a lot of details seem to have almost no meaning or correlation-- the two colts born to the mare are never explained as birth gifts to Sétanta, and it generally reads like a stream-of-consciousness rendition of his birth.
I wouldn't really know where to start editing it, or if other people deem it worthy of being edited. It may just be me too-- I'm willing to acknowledge I'm reading things pretty poorly, but this section just feels overly dense IMO.
The articles on Deichtine and Súaltam already have some better, albeit more brief versions of Cú Chulainn's birth story, that feel way less dense.
FenrirSkin ( talk) 18:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)