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requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The other ones that contain the all-caps telescope name can be renamed (either to remove the telescope name or to format the name the same way it is formatted in the title of the article about the telescope itself). —
BarrelProof (
talk)
20:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)reply
support per
WP:COMETNAMES, as C/2021 O3 (PANSTARRS) (
MPC·JPL) is the official designation, see
Recent Comet Names & Numbering published by IAU's Working Group on Small Body Nomenclature. To me, this is not controversial. Not in the slightest.
@
User:Kepler-1229b, not all comets are named. So most do not have a parenthesis with the discoverer's name at the end. Moreover, see
numbered comets, which are also w/o parenthesis.
@
Tom, if you create a #Redir rather than moving the article to its (newly) named cometary designation, it may only complicate things (move over redirect, requires a
WP:RM#TR). Could you also take a look at {{
NASTRO comment}} for comets?
@
User:BarrelProof your
requested move of several articles is full of bad ideas and premature. I understand that you don't like "PANSTARRS", and you would rather prefer "Pan-STARRS", but this would undermine cometary nomenclature which uses hyphens to concatenate more than one discoverer, so
351P/Wiegert-PANSTARRS would become 351P/Wiegert-Pan-STARRS (who is Mr. "Pan"?, have you ever heard of the "STARRS" team of astronomers?). For
311P/PANSTARRS, you even propose to drop the name entirely, just keeping "311P" as the title of the article. This seems to me as absurd as to rename
Pluto to
(134340).
@
Rfassbind: Co-discovers should properly use
en dashes, not hyphens, as with the
Epstein–Barr virus and the
Black–Scholes model. Wikipedia convention has a strong tendency to avoid
all-caps styling, and does not necessarily follow "official" or specialist literature on matters of styling (e.g., the
naming convention for fauna uses lowercase, while specialist literature for birds, butterflies and some other topics tends toward
title case. None of the guidelines that you cited are Wikipedia guidelines. The Pluto remark seems completely off-topic – Wikipedia uses
ʻOumuamua, not 1I/2017 U1 plus or minus Pan-STARRS/PANSTARRS. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
15:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)reply
support move to
C/2021 O3 (Pan-STARRS) per
BarrelProof. The current name is contra
WP:COMETNAMES, but the proposed new name is contra
MOS:ALLCAPS. Nothing at
WP:COMETNAMES (or at the IAU code, which the policy adopts) suggests that telescope's name should be written in allcaps. Some names contain hyphens, and nothing at
WP:COMETNAMES or the IAU code suggests that such hyphens should be omitted from the comet name. This is no different from any other situation where a result due to an individual with a hyphenated name could possibly be misread as being due to a collaboration. It matters not that the RSs use a different style: Wikipedia follows its own style for the purpose of site-wide consistency. The proposed name may be consistent with names of some other articles on comets, but it is inconsistent with the community wide consensus on capitalisation.
Havelock Jones (
talk)
12:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Astronomy, which collaborates on articles related to
Astronomy on Wikipedia.AstronomyWikipedia:WikiProject AstronomyTemplate:WikiProject AstronomyAstronomy articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The other ones that contain the all-caps telescope name can be renamed (either to remove the telescope name or to format the name the same way it is formatted in the title of the article about the telescope itself). —
BarrelProof (
talk)
20:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)reply
support per
WP:COMETNAMES, as C/2021 O3 (PANSTARRS) (
MPC·JPL) is the official designation, see
Recent Comet Names & Numbering published by IAU's Working Group on Small Body Nomenclature. To me, this is not controversial. Not in the slightest.
@
User:Kepler-1229b, not all comets are named. So most do not have a parenthesis with the discoverer's name at the end. Moreover, see
numbered comets, which are also w/o parenthesis.
@
Tom, if you create a #Redir rather than moving the article to its (newly) named cometary designation, it may only complicate things (move over redirect, requires a
WP:RM#TR). Could you also take a look at {{
NASTRO comment}} for comets?
@
User:BarrelProof your
requested move of several articles is full of bad ideas and premature. I understand that you don't like "PANSTARRS", and you would rather prefer "Pan-STARRS", but this would undermine cometary nomenclature which uses hyphens to concatenate more than one discoverer, so
351P/Wiegert-PANSTARRS would become 351P/Wiegert-Pan-STARRS (who is Mr. "Pan"?, have you ever heard of the "STARRS" team of astronomers?). For
311P/PANSTARRS, you even propose to drop the name entirely, just keeping "311P" as the title of the article. This seems to me as absurd as to rename
Pluto to
(134340).
@
Rfassbind: Co-discovers should properly use
en dashes, not hyphens, as with the
Epstein–Barr virus and the
Black–Scholes model. Wikipedia convention has a strong tendency to avoid
all-caps styling, and does not necessarily follow "official" or specialist literature on matters of styling (e.g., the
naming convention for fauna uses lowercase, while specialist literature for birds, butterflies and some other topics tends toward
title case. None of the guidelines that you cited are Wikipedia guidelines. The Pluto remark seems completely off-topic – Wikipedia uses
ʻOumuamua, not 1I/2017 U1 plus or minus Pan-STARRS/PANSTARRS. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
15:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)reply
support move to
C/2021 O3 (Pan-STARRS) per
BarrelProof. The current name is contra
WP:COMETNAMES, but the proposed new name is contra
MOS:ALLCAPS. Nothing at
WP:COMETNAMES (or at the IAU code, which the policy adopts) suggests that telescope's name should be written in allcaps. Some names contain hyphens, and nothing at
WP:COMETNAMES or the IAU code suggests that such hyphens should be omitted from the comet name. This is no different from any other situation where a result due to an individual with a hyphenated name could possibly be misread as being due to a collaboration. It matters not that the RSs use a different style: Wikipedia follows its own style for the purpose of site-wide consistency. The proposed name may be consistent with names of some other articles on comets, but it is inconsistent with the community wide consensus on capitalisation.
Havelock Jones (
talk)
12:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.