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Elenin has been linked to the (incorrect) Niburu/Planet X conspiracy theory. A quick search shows that half the sites about Elenin is about this. The only problem is that none of them are RSes. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Nibiru, yes not a fact... Planet x, yes thats a fact, pls do ur research —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.246.31 ( talk) 15:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it's out of order to add a brief statement about the comet's connection to conspiracy theories. Obviously the Nibiru theory has no credibility in the scientific community, but it's a piece of popular culture connected to C/2010 X1 which is worth mentioning in the article. -- 174.109.99.78 on 01:09, 8 August 2011
I agree that those (or any for that matter) pseudoscientific theories are nothing but a bunch of crap. However, I think that they are a cultural phenomenon related to this comet and notable enough to be included in this article. Ironically, this wacky mumbo jumbo is what is this comet mostly known for. :/ -- 78.0.245.13 ( talk) 22:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I must agree with the contention that the conspiracy theory angle should be covered in the article. This is Wikipedia, where people come for instant information and authoritative links. The article should not narrow down its scope without first considering the social significance of the conspiracy theories. Thousands of sites have sprung up over the past year with this cuckoo theory, and yet, apart from a few little known site, no one has actively discussed, what more addressed, this misguided assertions. Is Wikipedia merely a scientific journal, or a compendium of information, a chronicler of events? Even after Elenin has come and gone, there will still be residual effect of this conspiracy theory for years to come. And people will continue to ask about it, if only to debunk another new comet in two year time. Please reconsider. If you need further proof, do a search for Elenin on every major search engine. All the search results are led by one conspiracy website, and at times, Wikipedia is not even on the first page. Surely that alone is reason enough? Thanks mate. MishaKeats ( talk) 17:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
El Ingles, I was aiming for a header hyperlink, but I guess very top line works as well. That said, consider this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing#Hoax_accusations Once again, the conspiracy theory has no basis, and yet, its presence in the article did not detract from the quality of the Moon Landing article as a whole. One could even say, the article exhibits integrity by opening itself up in such a manner. Thoughts? MishaKeats ( talk) 18:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Awfully quiet here. Should I just go ahead and include a new section? Thanks MishaKeats ( talk) 15:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry Kheider, but I have yet to see you actually address the merits, or the lack, of placing the conspiracy section here, apart from saying it has no place in a scientific article (paraphrase). But this is not a scientific article. Can you please explain your position on the matter instead of just the woo-woo argument. Reading the above exchange, one may get the impression that you're just dismissing the idea out of hand without due consideration and are just steamrolling past those who disagree. Surely this has not become a matter of pride? MishaKeats ( talk) 00:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
What I don't understand is why you feel this mention is necessary when the whole story already has an entire separate page dedicated to it. The reason I don't think a mention is warranted here is because Elenin is only a tiny fraction of the actual story, which goes back to 1995. Serendi pod ous 14:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
IMHO, the discussion above is the proof of why Wikipedia is the most unreliable source of all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.9.212.26 ( talk) 11:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Here are a few mainstream sources demonstrating that the comet's doomsday theories are being noticed in the real world: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. I think a proper treatment of the article will include a few sentences about the mass-delusion phenomenon associated with this comet. For example, sun discusses worship of the sun even though it is probably not a deity. Maghnus ( talk) 00:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The Sun has been worshiped since the beginning of recorded history. Comet Elenin conspiracies started in January when the woo-woos realized that comet Elenin might become a naked eye object, and like C/2002 V1 (NEAT), comet Elenin would pass close to the Sun as viewed from Earth allowing the woo-woos to make weird claims based on the forward scattering of light. Comet NEAT was also claimed to be a "Jupiter-sized comet whose debris field, trailing after it, will smash into the earth and destroy all life" (01-March-2003). All the woo-woos needed to do was change the names and dates, same story different comet. -- Kheider ( talk) 14:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I think WP:COMMONNAME applies here, no? Serendi pod ous 17:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
As non-one here appears to be following the observable scientific events on this comet, it should be noted that in late August, early September the comet started to diminish in brightness. Shortly afterwards imaging showed that the comet was in the process of disintegrating and the nucleus was dispersing. The disintegration of the comet was predicted by John Bortle back in February 2011 based on measuring the orbital characteristics and mass of the comet using a method he published in the early 1990's that had been tested against known comets that had undergone observed fragmentation/disintegration. Scientists 1 - woo-woo's NIL.
Yesterday the comet was at perihelion and could only be observed (reported by Michael Mattiazzo) as a faint smudge dimmer than 11th magnitude - far below its expected brightness
"...has disintegrated...", really? Now five days have pasted since the last entry into this section, yet no one has bothered to update this article with past tense verbage, and other necessary changes; such as "C/2010 X1 -WOULD HAVE- made its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion) on 10 September 2011...", etc., if the putative disintegration is indeed scientifically true. This was an interesting process to observe; the article, the discussion and the larger emotion-based phenomenon that was not allowed to overwhelm the evidence-based article. I was gratified to see that the scientists on this page did not cave into popular opinion, but stuck to the available facts. On to the next distraction! 91.155.92.202 ( talk) 08:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Could you please stop removing the sentence about the Nibiru conspiracy theory? Most people who come to this page probably first heard of Elenin because of the whole conspiracy theory behind of it, and so it deserves at least a passing mention on the lead. Evenfiel ( talk) 03:12, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
In August, 2011, Comet Elenin began to disintegrate,[64][65] and by the time of its closest approach in October 2011 the comet was undetected even by large, ground based telescopes.[66]
per wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision#Comet_Elenin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizziiusa ( talk • contribs) 03:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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Elenin has been linked to the (incorrect) Niburu/Planet X conspiracy theory. A quick search shows that half the sites about Elenin is about this. The only problem is that none of them are RSes. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Nibiru, yes not a fact... Planet x, yes thats a fact, pls do ur research —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.246.31 ( talk) 15:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it's out of order to add a brief statement about the comet's connection to conspiracy theories. Obviously the Nibiru theory has no credibility in the scientific community, but it's a piece of popular culture connected to C/2010 X1 which is worth mentioning in the article. -- 174.109.99.78 on 01:09, 8 August 2011
I agree that those (or any for that matter) pseudoscientific theories are nothing but a bunch of crap. However, I think that they are a cultural phenomenon related to this comet and notable enough to be included in this article. Ironically, this wacky mumbo jumbo is what is this comet mostly known for. :/ -- 78.0.245.13 ( talk) 22:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I must agree with the contention that the conspiracy theory angle should be covered in the article. This is Wikipedia, where people come for instant information and authoritative links. The article should not narrow down its scope without first considering the social significance of the conspiracy theories. Thousands of sites have sprung up over the past year with this cuckoo theory, and yet, apart from a few little known site, no one has actively discussed, what more addressed, this misguided assertions. Is Wikipedia merely a scientific journal, or a compendium of information, a chronicler of events? Even after Elenin has come and gone, there will still be residual effect of this conspiracy theory for years to come. And people will continue to ask about it, if only to debunk another new comet in two year time. Please reconsider. If you need further proof, do a search for Elenin on every major search engine. All the search results are led by one conspiracy website, and at times, Wikipedia is not even on the first page. Surely that alone is reason enough? Thanks mate. MishaKeats ( talk) 17:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
El Ingles, I was aiming for a header hyperlink, but I guess very top line works as well. That said, consider this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing#Hoax_accusations Once again, the conspiracy theory has no basis, and yet, its presence in the article did not detract from the quality of the Moon Landing article as a whole. One could even say, the article exhibits integrity by opening itself up in such a manner. Thoughts? MishaKeats ( talk) 18:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Awfully quiet here. Should I just go ahead and include a new section? Thanks MishaKeats ( talk) 15:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry Kheider, but I have yet to see you actually address the merits, or the lack, of placing the conspiracy section here, apart from saying it has no place in a scientific article (paraphrase). But this is not a scientific article. Can you please explain your position on the matter instead of just the woo-woo argument. Reading the above exchange, one may get the impression that you're just dismissing the idea out of hand without due consideration and are just steamrolling past those who disagree. Surely this has not become a matter of pride? MishaKeats ( talk) 00:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
What I don't understand is why you feel this mention is necessary when the whole story already has an entire separate page dedicated to it. The reason I don't think a mention is warranted here is because Elenin is only a tiny fraction of the actual story, which goes back to 1995. Serendi pod ous 14:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
IMHO, the discussion above is the proof of why Wikipedia is the most unreliable source of all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.9.212.26 ( talk) 11:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Here are a few mainstream sources demonstrating that the comet's doomsday theories are being noticed in the real world: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. I think a proper treatment of the article will include a few sentences about the mass-delusion phenomenon associated with this comet. For example, sun discusses worship of the sun even though it is probably not a deity. Maghnus ( talk) 00:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The Sun has been worshiped since the beginning of recorded history. Comet Elenin conspiracies started in January when the woo-woos realized that comet Elenin might become a naked eye object, and like C/2002 V1 (NEAT), comet Elenin would pass close to the Sun as viewed from Earth allowing the woo-woos to make weird claims based on the forward scattering of light. Comet NEAT was also claimed to be a "Jupiter-sized comet whose debris field, trailing after it, will smash into the earth and destroy all life" (01-March-2003). All the woo-woos needed to do was change the names and dates, same story different comet. -- Kheider ( talk) 14:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I think WP:COMMONNAME applies here, no? Serendi pod ous 17:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
As non-one here appears to be following the observable scientific events on this comet, it should be noted that in late August, early September the comet started to diminish in brightness. Shortly afterwards imaging showed that the comet was in the process of disintegrating and the nucleus was dispersing. The disintegration of the comet was predicted by John Bortle back in February 2011 based on measuring the orbital characteristics and mass of the comet using a method he published in the early 1990's that had been tested against known comets that had undergone observed fragmentation/disintegration. Scientists 1 - woo-woo's NIL.
Yesterday the comet was at perihelion and could only be observed (reported by Michael Mattiazzo) as a faint smudge dimmer than 11th magnitude - far below its expected brightness
"...has disintegrated...", really? Now five days have pasted since the last entry into this section, yet no one has bothered to update this article with past tense verbage, and other necessary changes; such as "C/2010 X1 -WOULD HAVE- made its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion) on 10 September 2011...", etc., if the putative disintegration is indeed scientifically true. This was an interesting process to observe; the article, the discussion and the larger emotion-based phenomenon that was not allowed to overwhelm the evidence-based article. I was gratified to see that the scientists on this page did not cave into popular opinion, but stuck to the available facts. On to the next distraction! 91.155.92.202 ( talk) 08:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Could you please stop removing the sentence about the Nibiru conspiracy theory? Most people who come to this page probably first heard of Elenin because of the whole conspiracy theory behind of it, and so it deserves at least a passing mention on the lead. Evenfiel ( talk) 03:12, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
In August, 2011, Comet Elenin began to disintegrate,[64][65] and by the time of its closest approach in October 2011 the comet was undetected even by large, ground based telescopes.[66]
per wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision#Comet_Elenin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizziiusa ( talk • contribs) 03:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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