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Do we know his age? -- BDD 18:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Essentially Brown was appointed mayor, because he is black. Has never held a real job in his life, and chose to stay in Buffalo because he could use his color to advantage."
I took out the uncited, blistering allegations and opinions against Mayor Brown. Perhaps if someone can cite and objectify them, they might have a place under criticism.--Ccoolidge 22:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)ccoolidge
Would like to know a little more information about early life, family, associations, friends, passions, etc. 24.24.232.218 ( talk) 15:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Greygf
Why is there no information on who his birth parents are? Who was Byron Brown Sr., and whats his story. Who is his mother? Djh42883 ( talk) 06:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
There's a lot to like here; the foundation of a good article is definitely present. The writing still needs quite a bit of work, and there are some problems with neutrality, however.
I've started reviewing your changes and comments. As I go through, I'll bold anything that I think requires further attention. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 21:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This could use quite a bit of work:
Only minor issues here; I have the impression that the material is all sourced, but that an occasional lack of inline citations sometimes makes it hard to tell which source supports a given assertion. Examples:
Besides those cases, there are a few cases where the information in the article doesn't appear to match the sources:
This now passes the factually accurate criterion. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 21:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Mostly excellent. Some minor quibbles:
I believe this article now meets the good article criterion on comprehensiveness. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 03:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
There are some issues here:
All neutrality issues addressed - it now passes this criterion. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 21:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
One minor edit in the last eighteen days, no evidence of edit-warring at any time. Pass. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 15:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Good image choices, all of them appropriately-licensed. Pass. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 15:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed Kirsten E. Gillibrand solved the minor party problem of New York State as follows. I will try to do something like this tonight for Brown:
Year | Democrat | Votes | Pct | Republican | Votes | Pct | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2006 | Kirsten E. Gillibrand | 125,168 | 53% | John E. Sweeney | 110,554 | 47% | * | ||
Democratic | 116,416 | Republican | 94,093 | ||||||
Working Families | 8,752 | Conservative | 9,869 | ||||||
Independence | 6,592 | ||||||||
2008 | Kirsten E. Gillibrand | 193,651 | 62% | Sandy Treadwell | 118,031 | 38% | * | ||
Democratic | 178,996 | Republican | 99,930 | ||||||
Working Families | 14,655 | Conservative | 10,077 | ||||||
Independence | 8,024 |
Year | Democrat | Votes | Pct | Republican | Votes | Pct | Conservative | Votes | Pct | Right to Life | Votes | Pct | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2000 NYSS 57th [1] | Byron Brown | 48,683 | 59.77% | Bob Woolworth | 12,542 | 15.40% | Al Coppola | 18,938 | 23.25% | Anthony Murty | 1,285 | 1.58% | ||||
Democratic | 47,011 | Republican | 11,069 | Conservative | 13,501 | Right to Life | 1,285 | |||||||||
Liberal | 1,672 | Independence | 1,473 | Green Party | 3,385 | |||||||||||
Workers | 2,052 | |||||||||||||||
2002 NYSS 60th [2] | Byron Brown | 43,260 | 65.14% | Al Coppola | 23,154 | 34.86% | ||||||||||
Democratic | 41,436 | Republican | 20,236 | |||||||||||||
Liberal | 1,824 | Conservative | 2,918 | |||||||||||||
2004 NYSS 60th [3] | Byron Brown | 75,031 | 77.07% | Al Coppola | 22,328 | 22.93% | ||||||||||
Democratic | 65,609 | Republican | 22,328 | |||||||||||||
Independence | 3,736 | |||||||||||||||
Conservative | 1,990 | |||||||||||||||
Workers | 3,696 | |||||||||||||||
2005 Buffalo Mayor [4] | Byron Brown | 46,613 | 63.79% | Kevin Helfer | 19,853 | 27.17% | Judith S. Einach | 3,525 | 4.82% | Charles J. Flynn | 3,082 | 4.22% | ||||
Democratic | 43,541 | Republican | 17,680 | Green Party | 3,525 | Independence | 3,082 | |||||||||
Working Families | 3,072 | Conservative | 2,173 |
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I was unable to find official 2005 Mayoral Election Results. The text is an email that I received after making an online query following is somewhat WP:OR, but somewhat valid WP:PRIMARY:
Hello - Thank you for contacting the Buffalo and Erie County Library.
I searched the City of Buffalo webiste, the Erie County Board of Elections website, and the NY State Board of Elections website and was uable to find any official information on the 2005 Buffalo Mayoral Election results.
However, I contacted the Erie County Board of Elections and was told that the official election results can be mailed to you if you like. They were able to read the results to me over the phone, but were not able to electronically send them to me.
These are the results I was told over the phone:
Byron Brown: Democratic Party - 43,541 Working Families - 3,072
Kevin Helfer: Republican Party - 17,680 Conservative - 2,173
Total for Byron Brown - 46,613 Total for Kevin Helfer - 19,853
Other Candidates: Judith S. Einach - 3,525 Charles J. Flynn - 3,082
However, if you need a print copy of the official results, you can contact the Erie County Board of Elections Directly at:
134 West Eagle St.
Buffalo, NY 14202
MAIN (716) 858-8891
I did find an article in the Buffalo News Archives; "Brown defeats Helfer 64% - 27% - Vote signals mandate from city voters," an article from November 9th, 2005. This does list some general numbers from the election, although I'm not sure they could be considered official.
The article is at the bottom of this email.
I hope this information is useful for you.
Thank You - Buffalo & Erie County Public Library
LK/SJL — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The following text from former versions of the article has been contentious:
Brown attended Public School 134 in Hollis, where he went to class in a suit and tie on his first day of first grade. Brown continues to be what is referred to as a "suit-and-tie guy", for his habit of wearing suits. [1][url= http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNWB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=10D0995C89AD4B80&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated5&req_dat=0D0CB579A3BDA420]
The text of the original secondary source says : "The fresh-faced first-grader, outgoing, ambitious and well-mannered above all else, arrived at Public School 134 in Hollis, Queens, eager to make a statement.
He did it by showing up in a suit and tie, the only boy in his class to dress up for the first day of school.
To this day, Byron W. Brown is a suit-and-tie guy. Inside and outside. " [1][url= http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNWB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=10D0995C89AD4B80&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated5&req_dat=0D0CB579A3BDA420]
I have since notice more about Brown's fashion sense: "Mr. Brown, 42, a slight man who is always impeccably dressed" [2][url= http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00EEDD143EF93BA25753C1A9669C8B63]
It seems to me that his fashion sense is a bit more important than we noticed at first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Brown is a fairly large political figure in the state with regular mentions in The New York Times for his various dealings. I find it hard to justify that there is no mention of these corruption allegations in the NYT, yet we insist on having a section in WP for them. I personally would prefer that for any of Browns political affairs that the bar for notability be set at a mention in the NYT.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 00:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Do we know his age? -- BDD 18:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Essentially Brown was appointed mayor, because he is black. Has never held a real job in his life, and chose to stay in Buffalo because he could use his color to advantage."
I took out the uncited, blistering allegations and opinions against Mayor Brown. Perhaps if someone can cite and objectify them, they might have a place under criticism.--Ccoolidge 22:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)ccoolidge
Would like to know a little more information about early life, family, associations, friends, passions, etc. 24.24.232.218 ( talk) 15:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Greygf
Why is there no information on who his birth parents are? Who was Byron Brown Sr., and whats his story. Who is his mother? Djh42883 ( talk) 06:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
There's a lot to like here; the foundation of a good article is definitely present. The writing still needs quite a bit of work, and there are some problems with neutrality, however.
I've started reviewing your changes and comments. As I go through, I'll bold anything that I think requires further attention. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 21:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This could use quite a bit of work:
Only minor issues here; I have the impression that the material is all sourced, but that an occasional lack of inline citations sometimes makes it hard to tell which source supports a given assertion. Examples:
Besides those cases, there are a few cases where the information in the article doesn't appear to match the sources:
This now passes the factually accurate criterion. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 21:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Mostly excellent. Some minor quibbles:
I believe this article now meets the good article criterion on comprehensiveness. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 03:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
There are some issues here:
All neutrality issues addressed - it now passes this criterion. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 21:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
One minor edit in the last eighteen days, no evidence of edit-warring at any time. Pass. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 15:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Good image choices, all of them appropriately-licensed. Pass. Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 15:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed Kirsten E. Gillibrand solved the minor party problem of New York State as follows. I will try to do something like this tonight for Brown:
Year | Democrat | Votes | Pct | Republican | Votes | Pct | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2006 | Kirsten E. Gillibrand | 125,168 | 53% | John E. Sweeney | 110,554 | 47% | * | ||
Democratic | 116,416 | Republican | 94,093 | ||||||
Working Families | 8,752 | Conservative | 9,869 | ||||||
Independence | 6,592 | ||||||||
2008 | Kirsten E. Gillibrand | 193,651 | 62% | Sandy Treadwell | 118,031 | 38% | * | ||
Democratic | 178,996 | Republican | 99,930 | ||||||
Working Families | 14,655 | Conservative | 10,077 | ||||||
Independence | 8,024 |
Year | Democrat | Votes | Pct | Republican | Votes | Pct | Conservative | Votes | Pct | Right to Life | Votes | Pct | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2000 NYSS 57th [1] | Byron Brown | 48,683 | 59.77% | Bob Woolworth | 12,542 | 15.40% | Al Coppola | 18,938 | 23.25% | Anthony Murty | 1,285 | 1.58% | ||||
Democratic | 47,011 | Republican | 11,069 | Conservative | 13,501 | Right to Life | 1,285 | |||||||||
Liberal | 1,672 | Independence | 1,473 | Green Party | 3,385 | |||||||||||
Workers | 2,052 | |||||||||||||||
2002 NYSS 60th [2] | Byron Brown | 43,260 | 65.14% | Al Coppola | 23,154 | 34.86% | ||||||||||
Democratic | 41,436 | Republican | 20,236 | |||||||||||||
Liberal | 1,824 | Conservative | 2,918 | |||||||||||||
2004 NYSS 60th [3] | Byron Brown | 75,031 | 77.07% | Al Coppola | 22,328 | 22.93% | ||||||||||
Democratic | 65,609 | Republican | 22,328 | |||||||||||||
Independence | 3,736 | |||||||||||||||
Conservative | 1,990 | |||||||||||||||
Workers | 3,696 | |||||||||||||||
2005 Buffalo Mayor [4] | Byron Brown | 46,613 | 63.79% | Kevin Helfer | 19,853 | 27.17% | Judith S. Einach | 3,525 | 4.82% | Charles J. Flynn | 3,082 | 4.22% | ||||
Democratic | 43,541 | Republican | 17,680 | Green Party | 3,525 | Independence | 3,082 | |||||||||
Working Families | 3,072 | Conservative | 2,173 |
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I was unable to find official 2005 Mayoral Election Results. The text is an email that I received after making an online query following is somewhat WP:OR, but somewhat valid WP:PRIMARY:
Hello - Thank you for contacting the Buffalo and Erie County Library.
I searched the City of Buffalo webiste, the Erie County Board of Elections website, and the NY State Board of Elections website and was uable to find any official information on the 2005 Buffalo Mayoral Election results.
However, I contacted the Erie County Board of Elections and was told that the official election results can be mailed to you if you like. They were able to read the results to me over the phone, but were not able to electronically send them to me.
These are the results I was told over the phone:
Byron Brown: Democratic Party - 43,541 Working Families - 3,072
Kevin Helfer: Republican Party - 17,680 Conservative - 2,173
Total for Byron Brown - 46,613 Total for Kevin Helfer - 19,853
Other Candidates: Judith S. Einach - 3,525 Charles J. Flynn - 3,082
However, if you need a print copy of the official results, you can contact the Erie County Board of Elections Directly at:
134 West Eagle St.
Buffalo, NY 14202
MAIN (716) 858-8891
I did find an article in the Buffalo News Archives; "Brown defeats Helfer 64% - 27% - Vote signals mandate from city voters," an article from November 9th, 2005. This does list some general numbers from the election, although I'm not sure they could be considered official.
The article is at the bottom of this email.
I hope this information is useful for you.
Thank You - Buffalo & Erie County Public Library
LK/SJL — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The following text from former versions of the article has been contentious:
Brown attended Public School 134 in Hollis, where he went to class in a suit and tie on his first day of first grade. Brown continues to be what is referred to as a "suit-and-tie guy", for his habit of wearing suits. [1][url= http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNWB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=10D0995C89AD4B80&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated5&req_dat=0D0CB579A3BDA420]
The text of the original secondary source says : "The fresh-faced first-grader, outgoing, ambitious and well-mannered above all else, arrived at Public School 134 in Hollis, Queens, eager to make a statement.
He did it by showing up in a suit and tie, the only boy in his class to dress up for the first day of school.
To this day, Byron W. Brown is a suit-and-tie guy. Inside and outside. " [1][url= http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BNWB&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=10D0995C89AD4B80&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated5&req_dat=0D0CB579A3BDA420]
I have since notice more about Brown's fashion sense: "Mr. Brown, 42, a slight man who is always impeccably dressed" [2][url= http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00EEDD143EF93BA25753C1A9669C8B63]
It seems to me that his fashion sense is a bit more important than we noticed at first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Brown is a fairly large political figure in the state with regular mentions in The New York Times for his various dealings. I find it hard to justify that there is no mention of these corruption allegations in the NYT, yet we insist on having a section in WP for them. I personally would prefer that for any of Browns political affairs that the bar for notability be set at a mention in the NYT.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 00:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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