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Requested move 03 April 2015
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Oppose: None of the sources currently in the article spell his name as 'Byambasürengiin'. They all spell him as Byambasuren. If the person was not generally known outside of Mongolia, we might title his article based on transcription rules. But if people searching him on English sites and in books are going to find his name given there as 'Byambasuren' then it's the best title.
EdJohnston (
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14:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: According to that logic, a single source mentioning him in English might circumvent the application of the
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Mongolian). Although we do have a few Mongolians listed with westernized spelling, the only modern examples I am aware of are people who actually live (or have lived) outside of the country, using that spelling themselfes (eg.
Batchimeg Tuvshintugs,
Munkhbayar Dorjsuren,
Choi Tseveenpurev,
Dolgor Ser-Od,
Mungonzazal Janshindulam). All other Mongolian names are consistently spelled according to the transcription rules given in the naming conventions. I don't see why an exception from this practise sould be made for Sharav, as (sadly) no Mongolian composer can claim to be "generally known" in the English speaking world outside of expert circles. People searching for him after references from books will find him through the mandatory redirects. --
Latebird (
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18:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The first section of
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Mongolian) says "When something has a conventional name in English, use that name instead of transliterating." This composer has established his international career spelling his name "Byambasuren Sharav" so we too should use that spelling, even if it deviates from the strict transliteration that might be preferred by linguists. --
Deskford (
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20:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 03 April 2015
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Oppose: None of the sources currently in the article spell his name as 'Byambasürengiin'. They all spell him as Byambasuren. If the person was not generally known outside of Mongolia, we might title his article based on transcription rules. But if people searching him on English sites and in books are going to find his name given there as 'Byambasuren' then it's the best title.
EdJohnston (
talk)
14:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: According to that logic, a single source mentioning him in English might circumvent the application of the
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Mongolian). Although we do have a few Mongolians listed with westernized spelling, the only modern examples I am aware of are people who actually live (or have lived) outside of the country, using that spelling themselfes (eg.
Batchimeg Tuvshintugs,
Munkhbayar Dorjsuren,
Choi Tseveenpurev,
Dolgor Ser-Od,
Mungonzazal Janshindulam). All other Mongolian names are consistently spelled according to the transcription rules given in the naming conventions. I don't see why an exception from this practise sould be made for Sharav, as (sadly) no Mongolian composer can claim to be "generally known" in the English speaking world outside of expert circles. People searching for him after references from books will find him through the mandatory redirects. --
Latebird (
talk)
18:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The first section of
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Mongolian) says "When something has a conventional name in English, use that name instead of transliterating." This composer has established his international career spelling his name "Byambasuren Sharav" so we too should use that spelling, even if it deviates from the strict transliteration that might be preferred by linguists. --
Deskford (
talk)
20:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.