According to what's written in the Old World and New World sections, it's inconsistent to include New World-only Buteos in the list. The Red-Tailed Hawk is not a buzzard, by either the New World or the Old World conventions. Loads of other examples. Somebody please clean it up: I would do it but I don't presume to know what's most appropriate on the list - all I know is that the inconsistency is glaring. 68.121.151.166 02:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Me either because i don't even like cleaning up my room
Please explain in detail why the Red-tailed hawk doesn't fit the Old World description. In the UK all members of the genus Buteo are buzzards by definition. Buzzards are small to medium sized diurnal birds of prey, with long broad wings and medium length tails and legs. They are active predators and very seldom feed on carrion. All members of the genus Buteo are buzzards, including the Red-tail. Though we Americans commonly refer to them as hawks, strictly speaking they are not. True hawks have short rounded wings, long legs and talons, and long tails, and belong to the genus Accipiter, such as A. gentilis (Goshawk) and A. cooperii (Cooper's hawk). The problem is Americans with little knowledge of birds persist in confusing the term buzzard with New World vultures, such as the Black vulture and the Turkey vulture. Use of the word buzzrd should be discouraged unless used accurately, specifically as a common term for the members of genus Buteo. ENScroggs ( talk) 19:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree, what for? My new North American birds field guide does not list anywhere the term "buzzard." The turkey vulture (Cathartes Aura, not a Buteo species)is what I mean when I say buzzard (searches for and circles around carrion, has a red head, is subjectively "ugly"). Aren't there any Ornithologists here to speak up? I think "Buzzard" is a colloquial term for a bird that feast on road kill, and other dead things, but do not feel qualified to rewrite this whole entry. Purplerhinoceros ( talk) 05:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I am not particularly knowledgeable in this field, but using that terminology is somewhat confusing and antiquated (in my opinion). Wouldn't Afro-Eurasia/The Americas be clearer? 131.231.233.52 ( talk) 22:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The New and Old World definitions are really confusing and vague. One shouldn't have to look up what they mean to find out about a bird. Secondly, do non-English speaking people use the word 'Buzzard'? If not, any mentions of 'Old World' and 'Europe' could be replaced with 'UK and Ireland'. Likewise, 'New World' presumably means the US and Canada here. JeffersonFootranch ( talk) 20:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Vultures are not buzzards, regardless of how many people learned otherwise from watching factually inaccurate western movies during their childhood. 08:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.133.198.203 ( talk)
Vultures may not be buzzards, but there are plenty of places in the US where "buzzard" never means anything else. I see no reason not to include a note on the "buzzard" page to that effect, even if it's only to send people to the right place. The Ridger ( talk) 14:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Why not just have the word buzzard redirect to buteo (since buteo is the latin word for buzzard) and have this page be titled north american disambiguation. New world/old world is confusing to many. In my north american bird book under the buteo chapter there is a single sentence "called 'buzzards' in many parts of the world except Norther America, there are 68 species... [1] " which I think sums it up nicely. Buzzard is first and foremost the buteo genus by strict definition. The north american usage of the word should be an entirely separate page: Buzzard (North American usage).
Or, if redirecting it to buteo is disagreeable. This page should be purely about the latin origin of the word, reference to buteo and other species with the word buzzard in their common name. With a subsection titled North American usage. Under these headings new world and old world may be used, but it really doesn't work as the section headings.
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I can't for the life of me understand why this article exists. All Buteo species are buzzards. There is already a list of Buteo species under Buteo. Any reference to birds other than buzzards can be bulleted on the Buzzard (disambig) page. The present article should become a simple redirect to Buteo. Darorcilmir ( talk) 11:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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According to what's written in the Old World and New World sections, it's inconsistent to include New World-only Buteos in the list. The Red-Tailed Hawk is not a buzzard, by either the New World or the Old World conventions. Loads of other examples. Somebody please clean it up: I would do it but I don't presume to know what's most appropriate on the list - all I know is that the inconsistency is glaring. 68.121.151.166 02:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Me either because i don't even like cleaning up my room
Please explain in detail why the Red-tailed hawk doesn't fit the Old World description. In the UK all members of the genus Buteo are buzzards by definition. Buzzards are small to medium sized diurnal birds of prey, with long broad wings and medium length tails and legs. They are active predators and very seldom feed on carrion. All members of the genus Buteo are buzzards, including the Red-tail. Though we Americans commonly refer to them as hawks, strictly speaking they are not. True hawks have short rounded wings, long legs and talons, and long tails, and belong to the genus Accipiter, such as A. gentilis (Goshawk) and A. cooperii (Cooper's hawk). The problem is Americans with little knowledge of birds persist in confusing the term buzzard with New World vultures, such as the Black vulture and the Turkey vulture. Use of the word buzzrd should be discouraged unless used accurately, specifically as a common term for the members of genus Buteo. ENScroggs ( talk) 19:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree, what for? My new North American birds field guide does not list anywhere the term "buzzard." The turkey vulture (Cathartes Aura, not a Buteo species)is what I mean when I say buzzard (searches for and circles around carrion, has a red head, is subjectively "ugly"). Aren't there any Ornithologists here to speak up? I think "Buzzard" is a colloquial term for a bird that feast on road kill, and other dead things, but do not feel qualified to rewrite this whole entry. Purplerhinoceros ( talk) 05:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I am not particularly knowledgeable in this field, but using that terminology is somewhat confusing and antiquated (in my opinion). Wouldn't Afro-Eurasia/The Americas be clearer? 131.231.233.52 ( talk) 22:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The New and Old World definitions are really confusing and vague. One shouldn't have to look up what they mean to find out about a bird. Secondly, do non-English speaking people use the word 'Buzzard'? If not, any mentions of 'Old World' and 'Europe' could be replaced with 'UK and Ireland'. Likewise, 'New World' presumably means the US and Canada here. JeffersonFootranch ( talk) 20:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Vultures are not buzzards, regardless of how many people learned otherwise from watching factually inaccurate western movies during their childhood. 08:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.133.198.203 ( talk)
Vultures may not be buzzards, but there are plenty of places in the US where "buzzard" never means anything else. I see no reason not to include a note on the "buzzard" page to that effect, even if it's only to send people to the right place. The Ridger ( talk) 14:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Why not just have the word buzzard redirect to buteo (since buteo is the latin word for buzzard) and have this page be titled north american disambiguation. New world/old world is confusing to many. In my north american bird book under the buteo chapter there is a single sentence "called 'buzzards' in many parts of the world except Norther America, there are 68 species... [1] " which I think sums it up nicely. Buzzard is first and foremost the buteo genus by strict definition. The north american usage of the word should be an entirely separate page: Buzzard (North American usage).
Or, if redirecting it to buteo is disagreeable. This page should be purely about the latin origin of the word, reference to buteo and other species with the word buzzard in their common name. With a subsection titled North American usage. Under these headings new world and old world may be used, but it really doesn't work as the section headings.
References
I can't for the life of me understand why this article exists. All Buteo species are buzzards. There is already a list of Buteo species under Buteo. Any reference to birds other than buzzards can be bulleted on the Buzzard (disambig) page. The present article should become a simple redirect to Buteo. Darorcilmir ( talk) 11:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The Buzzards disambiguation. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. DannyS712 ( talk) 06:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)