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it is 15million [1] this reference assures it but someone keeps on deleting it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.65.107 ( talk) 22:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
This link is hyper inflated in all the sales reported. It goes against all Official reports, even one from MC herself (refer MC Discography). In 1998 at its peak it sold eight million [1] according to Sony. There is no evidence from any other reports that is has managed to double sales since its peak. And although a fansite, probably the only one that uses Official sources to gather detail specifies 10 million. [2] Eight88 ( talk) 01:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Why did you just randomly go and delete half the page? I have put it back and it would be nice if you put a reason next time (as I don't doubt that there will be a next time). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.133 ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 7 March 2006.
I was basing the page on Madonna's Ray of Light, you may want to change that too.
Anon editors were changing the worldwide sales figure without citing a source, so I removed it. Please cite reliable sources for information like this. Extraordinary Machine 17:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Image:Butterfly-austriacdalbumbookletfront.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 07:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Only mariah was credited with writing butterfly, it's in the offical booklet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.230.62 ( talk) 13:13, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Just a few queries so far:
Sorry for the slow progress so far. As usual, revert anything you are not happy with. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 11:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
that crap about those real butterflies that's fake right? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.241.165.74 (
talk)
22:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
This album was obviously commercially successful, along with its two chart-topping singles. However, it represented a great drop from the 20+ million selling Daydream album. This album barely sold/shipped 10+ million globally.
I think the success section is written beautifully and the chart info is very concise, but there surely should be some sources commenting on the beginning of a downward trend in Mariah's career compared to her early-mid-90's heyday. This drop in album sales in the latter half of the 90s was also accompanied by a drastic drop of support by mainstream radio (reflected by her singles staying at #1 less, fueled by sales instead of radio). The wiki articles about her singles used to talk about this issue but it has since been less covered/removed.
Do you think this issue is worth talking about or not? I mean this album was by no means a disappointment, it did like over 11-12 million, but I still think it would make the article reflect a more accurate picture of the commercial transition that MC was going through.
-- Blamestars ( talk) 04:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
The album sold closer to 15 million, but yes a big drop from her last two albums. There isn't a problem with making an addition like this, but you would need to cite critics that noted this as well. Otherwise it would come off as your own original research.-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 15:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Both of these lines appear in the lead section (albeit in different paragraphs):
Butterfly garnered generally positive reviews from contemporary music critics,
and
Butterfly was acclaimed by critics
The first line indicates a more tepid response than the latter, and while these do not constitute a particularly egregious contradiction, they nonetheless do not appear to reflect the same reality. 50.193.171.69 ( talk) 01:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says that she began recording Butterfly in 1997, but in a Rosie O'Donnell episode, dated 21 November 1996 she says she had already begun recording ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEQAfrLk-w @ 6:21) . She also says that she's preparing for her first upcoming World Tour, which is strange since at that point she just completed the Daydream Tour. Wonder why she doesn't consider that a World Tour... Anyway, according to that interview, she started recording in 1996. Anyone know a source which points to her starting the album in January of 1997?
Wizlardo ( talk) 13:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
The cover art File:Mcbutterfly.jpg used in the infobox for the album's article is, very incorrect because this is the cover art that was used on a 2005 reissue for a Australian CD, seen here at Discogs and you can also compare it to a original Australian 1997 pressing right here. Amazon seems to be also using the reissue cover art, but if you click the Audio CD Option, it will show the standard/original cover art as it was first seen (and marketed, and pressed) in 1997.
The original cover art is the AMERICAN 1997 original release seen here, here, and here I do not see any other American 1997 pressing that uses the artwork in the infobox other than the American Represses.
This situation is also similar to Madonna's studio album Bedtime Stories (1994) and Madame X (2019) and Lil' Kim's The Naked Truth (2005) where the submitter(s) would change or alter the cover art in the infoxbox, just because they saw the cover art on digital or streaming services. These problems have since been resolved.
If there are no objections or no update regarding this inquiry in the next four days, I will insist on submitting the correct artwork myself.
the other ryan ( talk) 04:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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it is 15million [1] this reference assures it but someone keeps on deleting it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.65.107 ( talk) 22:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
This link is hyper inflated in all the sales reported. It goes against all Official reports, even one from MC herself (refer MC Discography). In 1998 at its peak it sold eight million [1] according to Sony. There is no evidence from any other reports that is has managed to double sales since its peak. And although a fansite, probably the only one that uses Official sources to gather detail specifies 10 million. [2] Eight88 ( talk) 01:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Why did you just randomly go and delete half the page? I have put it back and it would be nice if you put a reason next time (as I don't doubt that there will be a next time). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.133 ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 7 March 2006.
I was basing the page on Madonna's Ray of Light, you may want to change that too.
Anon editors were changing the worldwide sales figure without citing a source, so I removed it. Please cite reliable sources for information like this. Extraordinary Machine 17:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Image:Butterfly-austriacdalbumbookletfront.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 07:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Only mariah was credited with writing butterfly, it's in the offical booklet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.230.62 ( talk) 13:13, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Just a few queries so far:
Sorry for the slow progress so far. As usual, revert anything you are not happy with. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 11:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
that crap about those real butterflies that's fake right? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.241.165.74 (
talk)
22:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
This album was obviously commercially successful, along with its two chart-topping singles. However, it represented a great drop from the 20+ million selling Daydream album. This album barely sold/shipped 10+ million globally.
I think the success section is written beautifully and the chart info is very concise, but there surely should be some sources commenting on the beginning of a downward trend in Mariah's career compared to her early-mid-90's heyday. This drop in album sales in the latter half of the 90s was also accompanied by a drastic drop of support by mainstream radio (reflected by her singles staying at #1 less, fueled by sales instead of radio). The wiki articles about her singles used to talk about this issue but it has since been less covered/removed.
Do you think this issue is worth talking about or not? I mean this album was by no means a disappointment, it did like over 11-12 million, but I still think it would make the article reflect a more accurate picture of the commercial transition that MC was going through.
-- Blamestars ( talk) 04:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
The album sold closer to 15 million, but yes a big drop from her last two albums. There isn't a problem with making an addition like this, but you would need to cite critics that noted this as well. Otherwise it would come off as your own original research.-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 15:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Both of these lines appear in the lead section (albeit in different paragraphs):
Butterfly garnered generally positive reviews from contemporary music critics,
and
Butterfly was acclaimed by critics
The first line indicates a more tepid response than the latter, and while these do not constitute a particularly egregious contradiction, they nonetheless do not appear to reflect the same reality. 50.193.171.69 ( talk) 01:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says that she began recording Butterfly in 1997, but in a Rosie O'Donnell episode, dated 21 November 1996 she says she had already begun recording ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEQAfrLk-w @ 6:21) . She also says that she's preparing for her first upcoming World Tour, which is strange since at that point she just completed the Daydream Tour. Wonder why she doesn't consider that a World Tour... Anyway, according to that interview, she started recording in 1996. Anyone know a source which points to her starting the album in January of 1997?
Wizlardo ( talk) 13:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
The cover art File:Mcbutterfly.jpg used in the infobox for the album's article is, very incorrect because this is the cover art that was used on a 2005 reissue for a Australian CD, seen here at Discogs and you can also compare it to a original Australian 1997 pressing right here. Amazon seems to be also using the reissue cover art, but if you click the Audio CD Option, it will show the standard/original cover art as it was first seen (and marketed, and pressed) in 1997.
The original cover art is the AMERICAN 1997 original release seen here, here, and here I do not see any other American 1997 pressing that uses the artwork in the infobox other than the American Represses.
This situation is also similar to Madonna's studio album Bedtime Stories (1994) and Madame X (2019) and Lil' Kim's The Naked Truth (2005) where the submitter(s) would change or alter the cover art in the infoxbox, just because they saw the cover art on digital or streaming services. These problems have since been resolved.
If there are no objections or no update regarding this inquiry in the next four days, I will insist on submitting the correct artwork myself.
the other ryan ( talk) 04:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)