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There are still a lot of details in this section that aren't found in any of the sources.Stedil ( talk) 18:31, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
I have addressed everything above this point (i.e. lead section and whole of the History section) as of 27 April 2018. I have plugged new sources in and addressed inconsistencies and other issues you raised. Let me know if I have missed anything pertinent—it's possible I may have missed something here in the shuffle. The only point I'm not sure how to address is your note about a citation needed for the "equivalent to $626,451,852 in 2017"—reason being that the inflation is calculated by the Template:Inflation/US function, which is used to convert the $23,000,000 total. The $23 million total itself is cited; the inflation function is merely reinterpreting it to give readers an idea of the contemporary monetary equivalent. Let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks for all your work. I will resume the points you've raised below (i.e. Geography section onward) in short order.-- Drown Soda ( talk) 23:29, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I still found a lot of inconsistencies in this section, so I made some significant changes. One issue with the "Quick Facts" page is it pulls some of its numbers from ACS survey data, not the Decennial Census. The ACS has a wider margin of error than the Census, so I replaced this data with the 2010 Census numbers. I also tweaked some numbers in the table and infobox so they are all consistent with each other. Some of the numbers referred to Silver Bow County instead of the city of Silver Bow-Butte (balance), which are different because of Walkerville.Stedil ( talk) 20:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Drown Soda: Initial review completed. I have placed the review on hold to give you time to respond. Let me know when you have addressed everything, and I'll take another look. Stedil ( talk) 00:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I think I have ticked the boxes so far here, but let me know if something appears outstanding. An online version of Ref. 151 concerning The Killer Inside Me is unfortunately gone; the newspaper was previously archived at Newspapers.com, but it appears to have been removed. I left the newspaper source information as a reference without an online copy (unsure of what else to do about this). Best,-- Drown Soda ( talk) 00:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Drown Soda: I have looked through the article again. I had two comments above, only one of which needs action from you (look for the green text). Stedil ( talk) 20:43, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Route 66; Season 2, Episode 1 "A Month Of Sundays" (September 22, 1961). Tod and Buz, in Butte, Montana working as laborers in a copper mine, meet a beautiful girl at their rooming house. She's a local girl who made it big in NY but mysteriously came home despite being the star of a current Broadway hit. Buz quickly falls in love and becomes serious, but Tod knows her dark secret. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.81.222 ( talk) 07:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Checked the sources:
Munday, 2005: "Butte Mining, 1864 – 2005: A brief cultural and environmental history," found this sentence: "There is no published documentation to support anecdotes that Butte’s population approached 100,000"
Gibson, 2016: "Was Butte's population really 100,000 during its heyday?", found this sentence: "There also exists an official US Census estimate for 1917, which lists Butte (city) at 93,981, and Silver Bow County at 36,212."
A 1918 Census Bureau bulletin fails to support this. It includes a 1917 population estimate for Butte (Table 5, p. 20) that is much lower: 44,057. It does not include a figure for Silver Bow County.
(Census Bureau Bulletin 138 (published 1918), "Estimates of Population of the United States, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914, 1915, 1916, and 1917, including results of the state enumerations made in 1915.
Gibson either used a different Census Bureau publication - or used a secondary source that stated incorrect (or purposely-inflated) figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A1F0:BD0:1400:5FA4:CD69:FA01 ( talk) 23:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
The famous comic actor Martha Raye originated from Butte, Yup! G~G. G-G ( talk) 21:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | A few issues to clean up in the lead. Update: fixed. |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | sources are mostly reliable. |
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There are still a lot of details in this section that aren't found in any of the sources.Stedil ( talk) 18:31, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
I have addressed everything above this point (i.e. lead section and whole of the History section) as of 27 April 2018. I have plugged new sources in and addressed inconsistencies and other issues you raised. Let me know if I have missed anything pertinent—it's possible I may have missed something here in the shuffle. The only point I'm not sure how to address is your note about a citation needed for the "equivalent to $626,451,852 in 2017"—reason being that the inflation is calculated by the Template:Inflation/US function, which is used to convert the $23,000,000 total. The $23 million total itself is cited; the inflation function is merely reinterpreting it to give readers an idea of the contemporary monetary equivalent. Let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks for all your work. I will resume the points you've raised below (i.e. Geography section onward) in short order.-- Drown Soda ( talk) 23:29, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I still found a lot of inconsistencies in this section, so I made some significant changes. One issue with the "Quick Facts" page is it pulls some of its numbers from ACS survey data, not the Decennial Census. The ACS has a wider margin of error than the Census, so I replaced this data with the 2010 Census numbers. I also tweaked some numbers in the table and infobox so they are all consistent with each other. Some of the numbers referred to Silver Bow County instead of the city of Silver Bow-Butte (balance), which are different because of Walkerville.Stedil ( talk) 20:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Drown Soda: Initial review completed. I have placed the review on hold to give you time to respond. Let me know when you have addressed everything, and I'll take another look. Stedil ( talk) 00:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I think I have ticked the boxes so far here, but let me know if something appears outstanding. An online version of Ref. 151 concerning The Killer Inside Me is unfortunately gone; the newspaper was previously archived at Newspapers.com, but it appears to have been removed. I left the newspaper source information as a reference without an online copy (unsure of what else to do about this). Best,-- Drown Soda ( talk) 00:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Drown Soda: I have looked through the article again. I had two comments above, only one of which needs action from you (look for the green text). Stedil ( talk) 20:43, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Route 66; Season 2, Episode 1 "A Month Of Sundays" (September 22, 1961). Tod and Buz, in Butte, Montana working as laborers in a copper mine, meet a beautiful girl at their rooming house. She's a local girl who made it big in NY but mysteriously came home despite being the star of a current Broadway hit. Buz quickly falls in love and becomes serious, but Tod knows her dark secret. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.81.222 ( talk) 07:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Checked the sources:
Munday, 2005: "Butte Mining, 1864 – 2005: A brief cultural and environmental history," found this sentence: "There is no published documentation to support anecdotes that Butte’s population approached 100,000"
Gibson, 2016: "Was Butte's population really 100,000 during its heyday?", found this sentence: "There also exists an official US Census estimate for 1917, which lists Butte (city) at 93,981, and Silver Bow County at 36,212."
A 1918 Census Bureau bulletin fails to support this. It includes a 1917 population estimate for Butte (Table 5, p. 20) that is much lower: 44,057. It does not include a figure for Silver Bow County.
(Census Bureau Bulletin 138 (published 1918), "Estimates of Population of the United States, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914, 1915, 1916, and 1917, including results of the state enumerations made in 1915.
Gibson either used a different Census Bureau publication - or used a secondary source that stated incorrect (or purposely-inflated) figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A1F0:BD0:1400:5FA4:CD69:FA01 ( talk) 23:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
The famous comic actor Martha Raye originated from Butte, Yup! G~G. G-G ( talk) 21:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)