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Has anyone audited or checked for the source of this IP address list? Doing an IANA lookup on a randomly selected address from the list, 195.243.162.0, yields AL.systems GmbH. A relationship to the BSA from here is non-obvious. Can anyone clarify? -- ChrisRuvolo 00:50, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Holy crap, if I didn't just see this, I wouldn't believe it. According to the history [1] the IP address list was just removed by the host 209.70.21.174. This IP has had no other contributions [2] . Doing a reverse lookup on this address fails, but doing a whois on the IP address gives a Verio netblock with this message:
Comment: Reassignment information for this block is Comment: available at rwhois.verio.net port 4321
When doing a lookup at this verio rwhois server, it gives:
> whois -h rwhois.verio.net 209.70.21.174 Business Software Alliance (NETBLK-BSA-----209-70-21--0E) BSA-----209-70-21--0E 209.70.21.0 - 209.70.21.255 Verio, Inc. - Mid-Atlantic (NETBLK-VRIO-209-070) VRIO-209-070 209.70.0.0 - 209.70.255.255
And a lookup of that block address gives:
> whois -h rwhois.verio.net NETBLK-BSA-----209-70-21--0E Business Software Alliance (NETBLK-BSA-----209-70-21--0E) 1150 18th Street NW Washington, DC 20036 Netname: BSA-----209-70-21--0E Netblock: 209.70.21.0 - 209.70.21.255 Maintainer: A009 Coordinator: Lorraine Cox (LC2857-VRIO) bsa@clark.net (202) 872-5500
So the conclusion is that the BSA itself removed the IP address list!! At least some of those addresses must be correct! This is pretty blantant manipulation. -- ChrisRuvolo 21:57, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Silverfish 22:56, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
It seems that BSA tries to negate meaning of freedom in their leaflets, insisting that FOSS is about development model only, and that all software development models should have equal rights as far as governments are concerned. This could show that RMS constant teaching about freedom does have some importance. --matusz 21:04, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What is the list of members based on? This list seems quite different. -- Tgr 18:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
From the Overview:
BSA then sends the companies a note ...
then
If the BSA finds cases of software piracy,
What happens between these two events? Can the BSA force a company to cooporate with an audit? I would think so, since companies would normally not want to give an outside party that kind of access to their inner workings. But what are the legal grounds for this? Does the BSA actually get a warrant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.198.159.178 ( talk • contribs)
The Business Software Alliance is a private trade organization with absolutely no independent law enforcement authority. The BSA's members include the largest software publishing companies in the world and most notably, Microsoft, Adobe, Symantec, Network Associates, Autodesk and Macromedia. These companies provide the Business Software Alliance a power of attorney to act on their behalf to accuse businesses of software piracy. Accordingly, the BSA can enforce only those rights that its member software publishers have. Legally, software companies usually have a contractual relationship with a customer based upon a software license and also have the rights provided under copyright laws that protect the holder of copyright against infringement. These are the rights that the Business Software Alliance's enforcement department is attempting to protect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.198.159.178 ( talk • contribs)
I have tagged this article as POV as it currently contains a significant amount of unsourced and POV statements. Also, the general tone of the article is 'this organisation is scum' which even if it is true, it shouldn't be the tone of any article on this site. Finally, the overall amount of negative criticism of the company is not really countered in any way so a complete argument is not presented. - Localzuk (talk) 09:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I want to toss in a point on who authorizes the audit. Check your EULA. Many of them are written with the explicit clause of granting permission for the copyright owner to request an audit for compliance. If you have Windows or Adobe Photo Shop, you have agreed to an audit to accept the software license. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.152.115 ( talk) 18:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The intro read "BSA has no legal authority. Nobody can legally enter your property without a search warrant from a court." Shouldn't this be elaborated on and put in the critique section? 142.232.8.8 ( talk) 01:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
As much as I Hate the BSA and any advocate for respecting software licenses etc, etc... This article REEKS of haters lashing out against the BSA through Wikipedia.
I didn't get to the rest of the article before feeling guilty(Not because I enjoy USING PIRATED SOFTWARE) but because of the Campaigns section is a big serving of "Let it out on Wikipedia Johnny, Microsoft can't sue us now"
Come on: "The supposed purpose of this campaign is to educate children....." Really? If this were any other Wikipedia article the editors would be at war to fix it's neutrality...What the hell is stopping Free Software advocates to calm down and write a neutral article? (Educate the world about your opponent, let the world decide)
It is obvious other editors tried to fix this problem before, I've checked the talk page but hopefully more can be done. 93.182.137.114 ( talk) 17:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This outfit now seems to call itself "BSA | The Software Alliance", though I can't find any explanation or news items on this. These people really are quite mad: because I live in Japan they are determined I should not be able to read the English version of their website (I had to use a proxy) so all pages at bsa.org redirect to the Japanese site. (Oh, and www.bsa.or.jp/GlobalSoftwarePiracyStudy.html shows an alternative version...) Imaginatorium ( talk) 18:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I moved the page to "BSA (The Software Alliance)" because pipes aren't allowed in titles (I assume). Something needs to be done about the former logo; I'm not sure if the "fair use" thingy works. The new logo could be added, but it is so lacking in distinction it hardly seems worth it. Imaginatorium ( talk) 19:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The members list is massively out of date and needs to be updated. The current link to the members list is also dead and needs to be replaced with http://www.bsa.org/about-bsa/bsa-members — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.42.35 ( talk) 11:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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User:Bilby placed a 'COI' tag on the page, suggesting that there is a "major contributor" with a COI. I can't detect any "major contributors" in the history, so I suggest removing this tag. But first, please can anyone explain the problem? Imaginatorium ( talk) 15:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
List of BSA members in Wikidata: https://w.wiki/9gWi -- M2545 ( talk) 10:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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Has anyone audited or checked for the source of this IP address list? Doing an IANA lookup on a randomly selected address from the list, 195.243.162.0, yields AL.systems GmbH. A relationship to the BSA from here is non-obvious. Can anyone clarify? -- ChrisRuvolo 00:50, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Holy crap, if I didn't just see this, I wouldn't believe it. According to the history [1] the IP address list was just removed by the host 209.70.21.174. This IP has had no other contributions [2] . Doing a reverse lookup on this address fails, but doing a whois on the IP address gives a Verio netblock with this message:
Comment: Reassignment information for this block is Comment: available at rwhois.verio.net port 4321
When doing a lookup at this verio rwhois server, it gives:
> whois -h rwhois.verio.net 209.70.21.174 Business Software Alliance (NETBLK-BSA-----209-70-21--0E) BSA-----209-70-21--0E 209.70.21.0 - 209.70.21.255 Verio, Inc. - Mid-Atlantic (NETBLK-VRIO-209-070) VRIO-209-070 209.70.0.0 - 209.70.255.255
And a lookup of that block address gives:
> whois -h rwhois.verio.net NETBLK-BSA-----209-70-21--0E Business Software Alliance (NETBLK-BSA-----209-70-21--0E) 1150 18th Street NW Washington, DC 20036 Netname: BSA-----209-70-21--0E Netblock: 209.70.21.0 - 209.70.21.255 Maintainer: A009 Coordinator: Lorraine Cox (LC2857-VRIO) bsa@clark.net (202) 872-5500
So the conclusion is that the BSA itself removed the IP address list!! At least some of those addresses must be correct! This is pretty blantant manipulation. -- ChrisRuvolo 21:57, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Silverfish 22:56, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
It seems that BSA tries to negate meaning of freedom in their leaflets, insisting that FOSS is about development model only, and that all software development models should have equal rights as far as governments are concerned. This could show that RMS constant teaching about freedom does have some importance. --matusz 21:04, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What is the list of members based on? This list seems quite different. -- Tgr 18:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
From the Overview:
BSA then sends the companies a note ...
then
If the BSA finds cases of software piracy,
What happens between these two events? Can the BSA force a company to cooporate with an audit? I would think so, since companies would normally not want to give an outside party that kind of access to their inner workings. But what are the legal grounds for this? Does the BSA actually get a warrant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.198.159.178 ( talk • contribs)
The Business Software Alliance is a private trade organization with absolutely no independent law enforcement authority. The BSA's members include the largest software publishing companies in the world and most notably, Microsoft, Adobe, Symantec, Network Associates, Autodesk and Macromedia. These companies provide the Business Software Alliance a power of attorney to act on their behalf to accuse businesses of software piracy. Accordingly, the BSA can enforce only those rights that its member software publishers have. Legally, software companies usually have a contractual relationship with a customer based upon a software license and also have the rights provided under copyright laws that protect the holder of copyright against infringement. These are the rights that the Business Software Alliance's enforcement department is attempting to protect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.198.159.178 ( talk • contribs)
I have tagged this article as POV as it currently contains a significant amount of unsourced and POV statements. Also, the general tone of the article is 'this organisation is scum' which even if it is true, it shouldn't be the tone of any article on this site. Finally, the overall amount of negative criticism of the company is not really countered in any way so a complete argument is not presented. - Localzuk (talk) 09:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I want to toss in a point on who authorizes the audit. Check your EULA. Many of them are written with the explicit clause of granting permission for the copyright owner to request an audit for compliance. If you have Windows or Adobe Photo Shop, you have agreed to an audit to accept the software license. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.152.115 ( talk) 18:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The intro read "BSA has no legal authority. Nobody can legally enter your property without a search warrant from a court." Shouldn't this be elaborated on and put in the critique section? 142.232.8.8 ( talk) 01:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
As much as I Hate the BSA and any advocate for respecting software licenses etc, etc... This article REEKS of haters lashing out against the BSA through Wikipedia.
I didn't get to the rest of the article before feeling guilty(Not because I enjoy USING PIRATED SOFTWARE) but because of the Campaigns section is a big serving of "Let it out on Wikipedia Johnny, Microsoft can't sue us now"
Come on: "The supposed purpose of this campaign is to educate children....." Really? If this were any other Wikipedia article the editors would be at war to fix it's neutrality...What the hell is stopping Free Software advocates to calm down and write a neutral article? (Educate the world about your opponent, let the world decide)
It is obvious other editors tried to fix this problem before, I've checked the talk page but hopefully more can be done. 93.182.137.114 ( talk) 17:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This outfit now seems to call itself "BSA | The Software Alliance", though I can't find any explanation or news items on this. These people really are quite mad: because I live in Japan they are determined I should not be able to read the English version of their website (I had to use a proxy) so all pages at bsa.org redirect to the Japanese site. (Oh, and www.bsa.or.jp/GlobalSoftwarePiracyStudy.html shows an alternative version...) Imaginatorium ( talk) 18:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I moved the page to "BSA (The Software Alliance)" because pipes aren't allowed in titles (I assume). Something needs to be done about the former logo; I'm not sure if the "fair use" thingy works. The new logo could be added, but it is so lacking in distinction it hardly seems worth it. Imaginatorium ( talk) 19:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The members list is massively out of date and needs to be updated. The current link to the members list is also dead and needs to be replaced with http://www.bsa.org/about-bsa/bsa-members — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.42.35 ( talk) 11:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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User:Bilby placed a 'COI' tag on the page, suggesting that there is a "major contributor" with a COI. I can't detect any "major contributors" in the history, so I suggest removing this tag. But first, please can anyone explain the problem? Imaginatorium ( talk) 15:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
List of BSA members in Wikidata: https://w.wiki/9gWi -- M2545 ( talk) 10:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)