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Should Geogie , Rice , Rummy Rumsfeld , Tenant and Cheney be charged with war crimes . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.17.167.100 ( talk) 06:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way we can work in Access Hollywood anchor Billy Bush [1]? His father, Jonathan, is the brother of George H. W. Bush. [2] [3] [4] Billy's also a notable Bush, but he's not political. Chris N. 22:55, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This article has to be wrong. It says that Richard Bush, who died in 1732, was the father of Timothy Bush, who was born in 1761. There is also a quote from the book "The Faith of George W. Bush" which must refer to Obadiah Bush but seems to refer to Richard Bush. Does anyone know the facts here?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.67.69 ( talk • contribs)
Added the particular plaudit offered by The Economist. They were referring mainly to 1,000 days in the Presidential Office but they did discuss (and dismiss) the other main contenders, the Kennedys. Not sure if it should be in the title section, however. --MJW 81.154.201.45 13:30, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This article seems like a good contender for Did You Know? because of its connections to the royal family in Great Britain, the Pierces, and the Kerrys. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:23, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that. My first cousin once removed is either the child of my first cousin or the first cousin of my parent. My first cousin twice removed is either the grandchild of my first cousin or the first cousin of my grandparent. In order for Bush and Kerry to be first cousins seven times removed they would have to be seven generations apart from each other, which seems highly unlikely. I suspect they are actually seventh cousins (i.e. Edmund Read and Elizabeth Cooke are the great6-grandparents of both men), or perhaps seventh cousins once removed (i.e. Edmund and Elizabeth are the great6-grandparents of one and either the great5- or the great7-grandparents of the other). Can someone doublecheck this, please? -- Angr/ comhrá 12:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article mention that George W. Bush and John Kerry are distant cousins? See the John Kerry article under Trivia. Emperor001 21:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
The article says that the Bushes are the first Presidents descended from Indians, but several of President Coolidge's biographers said the same about him. Does anyone know which is correct? - Coemgenus 01:46, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Update: The Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page wrote in his Nov. 16, 2005 column that Bill Clinton has publicly claimed Indian ancestry as well, thus edging out George W.:
Squib 18:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
this should be removed, neither robert bolling nor anne stith were indians, so therefore none of the bush family are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.189.246.113 ( talk • contribs) .
Um no, you can read it so deal with it. The point is that none of the bush family is blood related to native "americans" so it should be removed, ancestry is blood. hypothetically, would you want your fathers original wifes'(aka not your mother) (who later died or was "removed") family mentioned in your family history?
Salon is media, you should never use the media as a source. stick to reputable sources. "whoever controls the media, controls the mind" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.189.246.113 ( talk • contribs) .
I see no mention of connections between the bin Laden family and the Bush family here or at George W. Bush. Shouldn't something this important be on this page? It's on the bin Laden family page & or the Carlyle Group. Also how does the Bin Laden Family seem to escape the Forbes list of Billionairs? [5] Cparker 00:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I had noticed the date myself and hoped to look into it further. For the time being I've rewritten the Richard/Timothy relationship explanations to conform to the document at wargs.com, which seems pretty reliable (calling a conjecture a conjecture). It's quite possibly a question that will never be resolved, of course.
As for Mans Andersson, it's interesting that there's a Swedish ancestor, but that's less than 1% of the current President's genetic make-up, so it doesn't belong in the intro (why not list all the Irish, German, and whatever else too). Some people view genealogy as a kind of panning for gold (look! a king!), others take a more jaded view like Mark Humphrys. [6] I'm well convinced of the latter, besides, very often the "minor" members of a family have just as interesting stories to tell (I recently beefed up James Smith Bush, for example -- wow). -- Dhartung | Talk 23:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Why does this page link to the Bush-twins vote. I hardly find it relevant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.64.83 ( talk • contribs)
Anybody know? Amazing how these plutocrats manage to dodge the Forbes lists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.60.74 ( talk • contribs)
You know that is BS. They have been in the banking and oil business forever and instigated many of the events in history and those trades. You cannot have only a 'few' million and yet be so powerful. The Kennedy's had more money but no real power to back it up - especially after they were murdered. The Bush's must be worth a good trillion dollars, no lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.179.161 ( talk) 06:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
This page is lacking a summary of the family history. Where does the Bush name originate from? J.J. 07:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Fmr. President George Herbert Webster Bush II and Fmr. First Lady Barbara Bush's youngest daughter joined the Central Intelligence Agency so was kept out of the public eye. From PanAm 103 until 9/13/2010, the Family was convinced she was deceased. Katherine George Herbert Webster Bush III was the first female CMO recruit and an Operations Officer from 1995 -- 2010. Katbushiii ( talk) 02:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC) Kat Bush III
Is it worth including her? She is the fourth cousin, 3 and 4 times removed, of the two Presidents, respectively, closer than the related Presidents mentioned.-- Chuljin 18:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The White House took a formal photo of the Bush family the gathered to celebrate George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush's 60th anniversary. [9] Regardless of one's political allegiances, it seems fair to say it is a lovely photo and anyway complete and recent. Should or can it be included here? Minutiaman 19:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC) (forgot to sign before)
Does anyone think that semi-protection might be needed on this page? Just rv the work of some vandals, and looking at the history page, I can see that I wasn't the only one who has. Opinions? -- benzo ? ♠♠ 23:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
We should get a diagram of the Bush family.-- Johnston49er 20:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
In the diagram, (and possibly other places) the link to Prescott Bush Jr. looplinks back to the Bush family article. Please, if I've mislead the disscussion please revise it, this is my first discussion article entry Gartral ( talk) 09:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Removed a "citation needed" comment about the Economist, on a given date, desribing the Bushes as the most successful political family in US history. The statement itself is surely a citation. Garbled my edit comment though. Oops. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmsg ( talk • contribs) .
I think Prescott Bush Jr.'s 1982 senate candidacy merits a mention. The long term fallout probably led to Joe Lieberman's long term senate career as many Bush supporters against Weicker backed Joe in 1988 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.181.52.14 ( talk) 13:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
George Bush is related to Benedict Arnold through John Lathrop [10], who has over 80,0000 descendants in America including other presidents.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattbucs24 ( talk • contribs)
I have re-instated le Botelers as one of the Bush - Garfield connections. Yet I have been unable to work out how to reference it. The actual reference is here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/a/r/J-H-Garner/FILE/0141page.html. The le Botelers appear in generation 19. Pete 09:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone source these, especially the Charlemagne claim? Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.79.144 ( talk) 14:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, if the Bush family descends from King Edward I "Longshanks" of England as they are said to, then they would indeed also descend from Charlemagne, as Edward I was himself a descendant of Charlemagne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.25.158 ( talk) 23:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Who deleted this? When was it deleted? Why was it deleted? Pistolpierre ( talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know where this can be confirmed? I haven't found any other source on the web confirming this connection, and the link that it uses as a reference doesn't provide support. SocraticPrince ( talk) 07:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Edited family tree to add some names. Also, genealogists usually list women by their birth names, which most of the tree did already, but I fixed the parts that didn't. That gets rid of redundant information (husband's surname) and adds useful information (their middle names, many of which were family names). Added middle names for the men where possible too. Removed several self-referencing wikilinks. Also, the tree doesn't list the offspring of several people (Jonathan, William H.T., Marvin, Dorothy, etc.), so I labeled it a "selective family tree." Ariadne55 ( talk) 16:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/media/thefamily_family_tree.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.204.212 ( talk) 13:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
James Smith Bush is listed and linked twice in the diagram. He is both the Grandfather of Prescott Sheldon Bush and Prescott's sibling. I don't have a proper geneaology to know whether the sibling is correct and named for granddad, or an error (or if the error is in grandfather's name). Currently, the sibling James Smith is linked to the same wikiarticle on the grandfather James Smith Bush, making him his own grandfather, like in the joke. I've deleted the link, but can someone with information verify who is right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NotTires ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
What Vice President? -- 62.243.82.5 ( talk) 13:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that any link to her on the family tree should go to a book that psychoanalyzes her brother. If there isn't a valid connection as to what she has done, then it should be left blank with no link. Quite simply, given the timing of the edits, the link was there simply to give less reason to delete the Bush_on_the_Couch article. However, I am uncomfortable making the change without any sort of discussion. I'll change it eventually if I don't hear a good reason not to, but I'll give it time first. Mentor397 ( talk) 20:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
This family tree should not be speedy deleted because in the U.S. and its state of Florida there is no blanket copyright on a public figure's genealogical data.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 15:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
(od) I stated one good reason why we should not lift large amounts of material from a single copyrighted work. See WP:CV for the applicable policy. A copyright violation does not require that the information copied by wrong <g> so that suggestion is "right out." Cheers. Collect ( talk) 13:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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The article currently says near the top of the lede that "the Bush family was the First Family several times", blah blah blah. This is somewhat misleading: the title of the article, Bush family, refers to the dynastic aspect of even distantly related people named Bush; the term First Family refers to the immediate family who dwell in the White House. Should be reworded to make it more clear; simply saying who was President would be fine without using the term First Family at all. 2603:8001:D3F0:87E0:0:0:0:10D0 ( talk) 05:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
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Should Geogie , Rice , Rummy Rumsfeld , Tenant and Cheney be charged with war crimes . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.17.167.100 ( talk) 06:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way we can work in Access Hollywood anchor Billy Bush [1]? His father, Jonathan, is the brother of George H. W. Bush. [2] [3] [4] Billy's also a notable Bush, but he's not political. Chris N. 22:55, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This article has to be wrong. It says that Richard Bush, who died in 1732, was the father of Timothy Bush, who was born in 1761. There is also a quote from the book "The Faith of George W. Bush" which must refer to Obadiah Bush but seems to refer to Richard Bush. Does anyone know the facts here?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.67.69 ( talk • contribs)
Added the particular plaudit offered by The Economist. They were referring mainly to 1,000 days in the Presidential Office but they did discuss (and dismiss) the other main contenders, the Kennedys. Not sure if it should be in the title section, however. --MJW 81.154.201.45 13:30, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This article seems like a good contender for Did You Know? because of its connections to the royal family in Great Britain, the Pierces, and the Kerrys. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:23, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that. My first cousin once removed is either the child of my first cousin or the first cousin of my parent. My first cousin twice removed is either the grandchild of my first cousin or the first cousin of my grandparent. In order for Bush and Kerry to be first cousins seven times removed they would have to be seven generations apart from each other, which seems highly unlikely. I suspect they are actually seventh cousins (i.e. Edmund Read and Elizabeth Cooke are the great6-grandparents of both men), or perhaps seventh cousins once removed (i.e. Edmund and Elizabeth are the great6-grandparents of one and either the great5- or the great7-grandparents of the other). Can someone doublecheck this, please? -- Angr/ comhrá 12:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article mention that George W. Bush and John Kerry are distant cousins? See the John Kerry article under Trivia. Emperor001 21:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
The article says that the Bushes are the first Presidents descended from Indians, but several of President Coolidge's biographers said the same about him. Does anyone know which is correct? - Coemgenus 01:46, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Update: The Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page wrote in his Nov. 16, 2005 column that Bill Clinton has publicly claimed Indian ancestry as well, thus edging out George W.:
Squib 18:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
this should be removed, neither robert bolling nor anne stith were indians, so therefore none of the bush family are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.189.246.113 ( talk • contribs) .
Um no, you can read it so deal with it. The point is that none of the bush family is blood related to native "americans" so it should be removed, ancestry is blood. hypothetically, would you want your fathers original wifes'(aka not your mother) (who later died or was "removed") family mentioned in your family history?
Salon is media, you should never use the media as a source. stick to reputable sources. "whoever controls the media, controls the mind" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.189.246.113 ( talk • contribs) .
I see no mention of connections between the bin Laden family and the Bush family here or at George W. Bush. Shouldn't something this important be on this page? It's on the bin Laden family page & or the Carlyle Group. Also how does the Bin Laden Family seem to escape the Forbes list of Billionairs? [5] Cparker 00:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I had noticed the date myself and hoped to look into it further. For the time being I've rewritten the Richard/Timothy relationship explanations to conform to the document at wargs.com, which seems pretty reliable (calling a conjecture a conjecture). It's quite possibly a question that will never be resolved, of course.
As for Mans Andersson, it's interesting that there's a Swedish ancestor, but that's less than 1% of the current President's genetic make-up, so it doesn't belong in the intro (why not list all the Irish, German, and whatever else too). Some people view genealogy as a kind of panning for gold (look! a king!), others take a more jaded view like Mark Humphrys. [6] I'm well convinced of the latter, besides, very often the "minor" members of a family have just as interesting stories to tell (I recently beefed up James Smith Bush, for example -- wow). -- Dhartung | Talk 23:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Why does this page link to the Bush-twins vote. I hardly find it relevant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.64.83 ( talk • contribs)
Anybody know? Amazing how these plutocrats manage to dodge the Forbes lists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.60.74 ( talk • contribs)
You know that is BS. They have been in the banking and oil business forever and instigated many of the events in history and those trades. You cannot have only a 'few' million and yet be so powerful. The Kennedy's had more money but no real power to back it up - especially after they were murdered. The Bush's must be worth a good trillion dollars, no lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.179.161 ( talk) 06:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
This page is lacking a summary of the family history. Where does the Bush name originate from? J.J. 07:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Fmr. President George Herbert Webster Bush II and Fmr. First Lady Barbara Bush's youngest daughter joined the Central Intelligence Agency so was kept out of the public eye. From PanAm 103 until 9/13/2010, the Family was convinced she was deceased. Katherine George Herbert Webster Bush III was the first female CMO recruit and an Operations Officer from 1995 -- 2010. Katbushiii ( talk) 02:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC) Kat Bush III
Is it worth including her? She is the fourth cousin, 3 and 4 times removed, of the two Presidents, respectively, closer than the related Presidents mentioned.-- Chuljin 18:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The White House took a formal photo of the Bush family the gathered to celebrate George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush's 60th anniversary. [9] Regardless of one's political allegiances, it seems fair to say it is a lovely photo and anyway complete and recent. Should or can it be included here? Minutiaman 19:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC) (forgot to sign before)
Does anyone think that semi-protection might be needed on this page? Just rv the work of some vandals, and looking at the history page, I can see that I wasn't the only one who has. Opinions? -- benzo ? ♠♠ 23:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
We should get a diagram of the Bush family.-- Johnston49er 20:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
In the diagram, (and possibly other places) the link to Prescott Bush Jr. looplinks back to the Bush family article. Please, if I've mislead the disscussion please revise it, this is my first discussion article entry Gartral ( talk) 09:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Removed a "citation needed" comment about the Economist, on a given date, desribing the Bushes as the most successful political family in US history. The statement itself is surely a citation. Garbled my edit comment though. Oops. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmsg ( talk • contribs) .
I think Prescott Bush Jr.'s 1982 senate candidacy merits a mention. The long term fallout probably led to Joe Lieberman's long term senate career as many Bush supporters against Weicker backed Joe in 1988 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.181.52.14 ( talk) 13:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
George Bush is related to Benedict Arnold through John Lathrop [10], who has over 80,0000 descendants in America including other presidents.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattbucs24 ( talk • contribs)
I have re-instated le Botelers as one of the Bush - Garfield connections. Yet I have been unable to work out how to reference it. The actual reference is here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/a/r/J-H-Garner/FILE/0141page.html. The le Botelers appear in generation 19. Pete 09:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone source these, especially the Charlemagne claim? Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.79.144 ( talk) 14:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, if the Bush family descends from King Edward I "Longshanks" of England as they are said to, then they would indeed also descend from Charlemagne, as Edward I was himself a descendant of Charlemagne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.25.158 ( talk) 23:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Who deleted this? When was it deleted? Why was it deleted? Pistolpierre ( talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know where this can be confirmed? I haven't found any other source on the web confirming this connection, and the link that it uses as a reference doesn't provide support. SocraticPrince ( talk) 07:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Edited family tree to add some names. Also, genealogists usually list women by their birth names, which most of the tree did already, but I fixed the parts that didn't. That gets rid of redundant information (husband's surname) and adds useful information (their middle names, many of which were family names). Added middle names for the men where possible too. Removed several self-referencing wikilinks. Also, the tree doesn't list the offspring of several people (Jonathan, William H.T., Marvin, Dorothy, etc.), so I labeled it a "selective family tree." Ariadne55 ( talk) 16:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/media/thefamily_family_tree.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.204.212 ( talk) 13:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
James Smith Bush is listed and linked twice in the diagram. He is both the Grandfather of Prescott Sheldon Bush and Prescott's sibling. I don't have a proper geneaology to know whether the sibling is correct and named for granddad, or an error (or if the error is in grandfather's name). Currently, the sibling James Smith is linked to the same wikiarticle on the grandfather James Smith Bush, making him his own grandfather, like in the joke. I've deleted the link, but can someone with information verify who is right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NotTires ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
What Vice President? -- 62.243.82.5 ( talk) 13:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that any link to her on the family tree should go to a book that psychoanalyzes her brother. If there isn't a valid connection as to what she has done, then it should be left blank with no link. Quite simply, given the timing of the edits, the link was there simply to give less reason to delete the Bush_on_the_Couch article. However, I am uncomfortable making the change without any sort of discussion. I'll change it eventually if I don't hear a good reason not to, but I'll give it time first. Mentor397 ( talk) 20:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
This family tree should not be speedy deleted because in the U.S. and its state of Florida there is no blanket copyright on a public figure's genealogical data.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 15:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
(od) I stated one good reason why we should not lift large amounts of material from a single copyrighted work. See WP:CV for the applicable policy. A copyright violation does not require that the information copied by wrong <g> so that suggestion is "right out." Cheers. Collect ( talk) 13:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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The article currently says near the top of the lede that "the Bush family was the First Family several times", blah blah blah. This is somewhat misleading: the title of the article, Bush family, refers to the dynastic aspect of even distantly related people named Bush; the term First Family refers to the immediate family who dwell in the White House. Should be reworded to make it more clear; simply saying who was President would be fine without using the term First Family at all. 2603:8001:D3F0:87E0:0:0:0:10D0 ( talk) 05:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)