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Sometimes in LA, it's just called a Burro............
In New Zealand we used to have a commercial about the burrito. It was done by Old El Paso and it made reference to "Burt Rito...yeah i know him" So where is Burt Rito? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panda dan ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I probably read that same SF Weekly article, which, I believe, was published between 1990 and 1993. The article claims that the burrito was invented in northern California several decades ago. It cites Mexican farm workers in the Salinas Valley (John Steinbeck's home) receiving wheat flour from their employers. The farm workers used that flour to make tortillas. They wrapped leftover beans, rice and meat in the flour tortillas and carried them into the fields for lunch. That farm worker's lunch item evolved into the familiar taqueria burritos that non-Latino San Franciscans have been buying for the past 35 years. Currently, this writer favors the al pastor burrito (in a grilled tortilla) from Taqueria Cancun (Mission & 19th). Caveat emptor! Favorite taquerias are subject to change. I still mourn the loss of Taqueria Tepatitlan which did not survive the Loma Prieta earthquake. I also feel sorry for folks in the 'burbs who must choose among La Salsa, Del Taco and Taco Bell. User:the Ghost of Tom Joad
I said that I read that SF Weekly Article. I never said that I accepted it as the gospel. When I was a kid, in the mid-20th century, a burrito was a rolled & folded tortilla filled with refried beans and, maybe, a little cheese. They were about the size of a big candy bar. Two of them might have been enough for a light lunch. I didn't have a big burrito containing rice, beans, meat & salsa rolled in an LP-sized tortilla until the early '70s. I went to LA back then, and the best I could find there was the Hollenbeck burrito, which was a wet burrito drenched in red sauce. Now, there are plenty of non-Latino "wraps" that contain just about anything. The definitive history of the burrito is probably as difficult to document as the evolution of the sandwich. [the Ghost of Tom Joad]
I cannot cite a source (other than that I think I read it in the SF Weekly 10-15 years ago) but I read that the burrito, while certainly part of Mexican cuisine, was actually "invented" in the U.S. The story I read (and it seems plausible) was that traditionally there was not wheat/flour in Mexico, only corn. And you simply can't "wrap" a self-contained burrito in a corn tortilla - if will fall open and/or apart. The story went on to say that the burrito originated with migrant Mexican workers California's Central Valley and, as noted below, was preferred because it enabled the whole meal to be conveniently wrapped up to take into the fields - suggesting the donkey as porter/"best of burden," not a roll on the donkey's back or a donkey's ear.
Does anyone know why the spanish word meaning "little donkey" came to mean a tortilla wrap?...I've asked quite a few people, including a number of Mexicans, but nobody seems to know...-- 4.244.105.218 05:25, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I cleaned up this article - I stumbled upon it at random and the writing style struck me as sophomoric and repetitious. I divided it up into chunks, moved external links to the bottom, cleaned up the prose as best I could (I know nothing about burritos) and turned one of the paragraphs, which was a comma separated list of ingredients into an actual list. If this doesn't fit in with the rest of wikipedia, let me know - I'm new here. -- Moe Aboulkheir 01:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The link required a password. Enough said.
Just as Chicago-style Pizza is covered on the Pizza page, style or types of burritos should be treated on the Burrito page not on an independent page. Much of the information on the San Francisco Burrito page is about burritos in general anyway. Ortcutt 22:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge. Jack Cain 10:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge. 63.84.231.3 18:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge. Ortcutt 22:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge summary of article only, between one and three paragraphs with main article link pointing to the full subject which is still under expansion. I've removed the merge tag since this does not effect the regional page in any way. This is an independent page and always will be, just like Chicago-style pizza ; this is regional cuisine. — Viriditas | Talk 13:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
As primary author of the SF burrito page, I agree with Viriditas--summary is fine, even better would be an expansion of the overall history of the burrito that then leads into the regional variations, which could include the SF burrito summary.
But merging misses the point--the point of the San Francisco burrito page is that this type of burrito has a distinct and interesting history and that this type of burrito is quite different than the burrito you buy at Taco Bell or the burrito you buy in Mexico or San Diego, while the burrito page is a summary of what a burrito is more generally. The San Francisco burrito page is far too long to be included in to the burrito article without overwhelming it, so to make a sensible and coherent burrito page, merging would mean axing the SF burrito page into a paragraph or so anyway (or devoting many pages to a more detailed burrito page). But why cut the original article? There have been a number of external links to it, it serves a local purpose for intent fans of the SF burrito (of which there are legions), and besides which it earned me an Oddball Barnstar which I am loath to see go to waste--or more seriously, as the text of that Barnstar suggested, the original page is the sort of thing that would never go into a traditional encyclopedia but has a potentially cool value nonetheless. Yeah, it's quirky that the SF burrito page is much bigger and more researched than the burrito page--but that certainly is not the most egregious such example of content on Wikipedia. And it is approximately proportional to the amount of passion and discussion that goes into burritos in San Francisco versus in other cities where they're just another food rather than some kind of socio-cultural-political-culinary icon, as they have become in SF. If you think the burrito page should be more detailed than the San Francisco burrito page, fair enough--but do it by expanding the burrito page, not axing the SF burrito page. Joewright 16:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
why is a burrito not a sandwich??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.11.28.126 ( talk) 03:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Yeah, the burrito not sandwitch court link is dead. I wonderd the same thing myself.
SIMPLE: Burritos have tortillas, sandwiches have two peices of bread. If you want something that's between a sandwich and burrito, eat a Torta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzTyne ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
--Link is changed to active link. Thanks for pointing out the dead link--and remember, you can always look for links and edit wikipedia yourself, too!
Joewright 15:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
--Also added burritoblog link to entry which includes entire ruling in case--if folks know how to find and link to this ruling on its own we can change the link to that. Joewright 15:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The burrito is sandwich. JMarsh ( talk) 03:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Are breakfast burritos a US invention or are they eaten south of the border as well? Inquiring, over-caffeinated minds want to know. Kyaa the Catlord 12:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Here's a resource with dated references [5]. Here are some samples from the webpage:
Blank Verse 05:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I stand in awe of your breakfast burrito knowledge, my fellow burritologists. Let us not fight over this issue, instead, join me for a tasty burrito and we shall become enlightened... together! (And amuse the hell out of my coworkers.) Kyaa the Catlord 14:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Sections on Southern California burritos and Burrito culture are needed. — Viriditas | Talk 07:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I think Timeline of the burrito should be merged here. That list is composed primarily of the dates when various Mexican restaurants opened, has no citations, and no wikilinks except for SF Weekly. Tocharianne 19:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
List of taco fillings has been nominated for deletion, along with List of burrito fillings. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of taco fillings. Blank Verse 14:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I deleted this because I think its potentially offensive and ridiculous to randomly put in to an otherwise innocuous article on a type of food. If you want to put it in, find a new page for it under slang terms for homosexuals or something of that nature. User talk:Mediterraneo
Was the intention of the Taco Bell chef in grilling the burrito really to make it taste bad? What source is this intent cited from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.149.171.170 ( talk) 02:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
A few of my Mexican friends tell me that burritos are not Mexican food but rather Chicano/Chicana food. That is, the burrito originated among the hispanic population of the U.S. and is not directly from Mexico.
-- Warfreak 10:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree...This is not real Mexican Food. So Stop with all of this BS and saying its Autentic Mexican Food as Taco Bell says it is..Im Mexican and I consider it very insulting when you say this..its like saying Spagettii is all italinans eat evey day... —Preceding
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The article says that "winnys" is pronounced "weinies". This doesn't help things much. Is the word derived from "Wiener"? If so, note that in that word, the i precedes the e -- they are, after all, named after Wien (Vienna), Austria. ("Wien" rhymes with English "bean", whereas "Wein" would rhyme with English "wine".) There's the added confusion that in the journey from German to English, the pronunciation of the 'w' in "wiener" changed to reflect English usage. Was this change preserved in the Spanish version? Perhaps an IPA pronunciation would help disambiguate. -- Cholling 16:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed that in the opening paragraph it states that with Mexican burritos "The meat is usually the only filling, and the burrito is rolled fairly thin." Well, I'm Mexican-American and I have family in Mexico. I have travelled throughout Mexico and I've never known a Mexican person who did not fill burritos with various ingredients including beans, rice and cheese. Some statements in the article also claim that burritos are not popular throughout central and southern Mexico. One paragraph actually states that McDonald's and Taco Bell popularized burritos in Mexico. That is just plain ridiculous. That's like saying that sandwiches are foreign to people who live in the Northwestern part of the US. The only difference I've noticed between Mexican and American burritos is that American burritos tend to be larger because they are made with a larger flour tortilla.
There is not even any Taco Bell in Mexico ¬¬ and the Burritos sold on Burger King are the only ones I have ever eaten, I live in Mexico City, and I can say that I have been to lots of parts in Mexico where burritos are really unknown or barely eatenç —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.137.83.27 ( talk) 16:06, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I totally agree with the article that the burrito is actually a chicano invention. This is a food made with mexican ingredients but made by mexicans that either have been here awhile or are 2nd and 3rd generation. If you were to ask a mexican national what a "burrito" was he would tell you it was a "baby donkey". If you showed him a "burrito" he would call it a "taco". Their was never a food in Mexico called a "burrito". Maybe now there is, with so much american influence in mexico. The "burrito" originated at a mexican restaraunt Called "Vickys" in E.L.A. which was located on the corner of 1st and Indiana. "Vicky" invented the burrito for those on the go who wanted a big meal, since we put just about everything into it. It was especially made for police officers who frequented Vickys but wanted a "fast food". This was in the early 50's. As most of the police officers of that day were white who lived out of the area, they took that concept out of E.L.A. and into the mexican restaurants where they lived and so on and so on. We have to be careful when people talk about authentic mexican food. Back in the Late 60's and early 70's people in other parts of the country thought "Taco Bell" was authentic mexican food. The burrito could be considered the first fast food and you can put anything inside of it even peanut butter.mmmmm Crowleyposse 21:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone undid my correction that the US-style burrito is not Tex-Mex. There is no justification calling a burrito Tex-Mex. See the discussion above of the reasons for merging San Francisco-style burrito with burrito. They are distinctive regional variations of the same thing. The same holds for other California burritos, which were originally developed in California from Mexican cuisine. They weren't imported from Texas.-- Zeamays ( talk) 18:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Please add sv:Burrito. / 81.229.176.193 ( talk) 15:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
This article states, "Tia Sophia's, a Mexican café in Santa Fe, New Mexico, claims to have invented the original breakfast burrito in 1975, filling a rolled tortilla with bacon and potatoes, served wet with chili and cheese"
That is the most ridiculous claim that I've ever heard. I'm Mexican American and my family has lived in the Southwestern US for many generations, the "breakfast burrito" has been around for as far back as anyone can remember. Flour tortillas are as common within the Mexican American community as white bread is common within mainstream America and Mexican Americans have been filling flour tortillas with every ingredient imaginable ever since its creation, including chorizo and eggs. Tia Sophia cafe's claim is as ridiculous as if an American restaurant claimed to have invented scrambled eggs on toast in 1975. Tia Sophia's may have created the specific combination of "bacon and potatoes, served wet with chili and cheese" but she did not invent the breakfast burrito itself Dreamcast88 ( talk) 07:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
For San Franciscans, the burrito has become an important part of hipster and Chicano culture. [1] [2]
Sometime ago there was a page devoted to the California Burrito, but it has since disappeared and apparently been merged here. I find that the information given about the California burrito is a little off, so I deleted the wording of "San Diego style". If you go into any street Mexican place (Mexico Viejo, Roberto's, Karina's, Juanita's, Filiberto's, etc.) they will not know what you are talking about if you ask for a "San Diego style" burrito. A lot of the information that was on the old California Burrito page is not included here, such as that it is basically derived from Carne Asada Fries (or Super Fries) being wrapped in a tortilla. Any one as diehard about the California have more input? I am a newbie when it comes to wikipedia editing so I am tentative to alter anything dramatically. DEFmagic ( talk) 01:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
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at the mom and pop taco shops they come with cream cheese. Sickero ( talk) 03:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
i think there really needs to be some note regarding the "california burrito" as ordered in san diego. it's a menu item that is ordered by the thousands daily - much more than any "california burrito" on offer by fred's mexican cafe. it's a significant dish - i see pictures of a cleveland baked burrito and a taipei-style burrito, both of which i'm sure are less prominent than the san diego/southern california "california burrito" (the basics of which, by the way, are carne asada,potatoes (fried or otherwise), and cheese - the sauce varies from branch to branch, be it guacamole, sour cream, or pico de gallo. does fred's mexican cafe sell a false version of it? sure. just as i'm sure some restaurants sell abominations that they call a "san francisco burrito." therefore should we remove the san francisco burrito, which personally i had never heard of, section? as for notability, santana's serves this style. though atm their website is under construction. still, i assure you that their menu item represents the california burrito style. http://www.santanas.com/ more locations than fred's...and santana's is ENTIRELY in the san diego area. here's another example http://www.robertos.us/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=81 and another: http://www.sombreromex.com/menu.shtml so, i'm sorry, but fred's is not truly notable in this case. they are just an aberration. ---ha, so now that i read this page, basically the reason there is no entry for the california burrito is that fred's mexican cafe is trying to restrict the use of the name. i can't belive that this is being allowed on wikipedia.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 16:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps California Burrito should be redirected to the Carne Asada Fries page and created as a subsection on that page, since both are very similar in concept and creation. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 15:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Im kinda new but i understand —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickero ( talk • contribs) 04:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Would this be sufficient reference in regards to the difference between a San Francisco style burrito and a San Diego style burrito? San Diego Union Tribune -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 04:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Help me out here, on the Nacho page some of the cited sources used were directly from commercial pages, thus showing the existance of the item or its variants. If that is the scrutiny of sources there, shouldn't that be the same level of scrutiny used here? And if that is the case, shouldn't we include sources such as the Santana's Mexican Grill webpage as relevent cited sources which to establish a subsection regarding the "California Burrito"? -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 09:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, our editing wars, maybe newsworthy.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 06:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
-I find the resistance to adding a blurb about the "california burrito" as found in hundreds of taco shops in southern california (and arizona?) a bit odd. this idea of finding "secondary sources" for a food item.. well, I understand this is an encyclopedia, but as RightCowLeftCoast has mentioned, several food articles are not experiencing quite the same level of "enforcement" as this burrito page. just because people are not writing essays about it and its cultural impact, as may have been done for the mission burritos, doesn't mean they are not noteworthy. it's so common in san diego that I don't think I can find a single fast food Mexican restaurant that does not have it on the menu - they simply have to, because so many people order it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.154.213.173 ( talk) 17:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Why is there a link to Pink Taco? Does it have anything to do with burritos, other than maybe it serves burritos? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.106.125 ( talk) 22:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the see also section. The link to the cookbook was duplicated, and already appears at the bottom right of the page. Two more links, Frybread and Pink Taco do not have a good argument for inclusion. Viriditas ( talk) 21:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Need sources for San Diego style burrito. See: Talk:Burrito#The_California_Burrito. Viriditas ( talk) 12:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Unless I here object, as this article has parts that are unsupported by reference(s), I will add a sentence regarding the contents of Carne asada fries, served in a tortilla. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 20:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Things that could be removed? International Burrito photo section: A) Washington state isn't international if we're talking about a largely Mexican American food item. B) Having lived in Asia (albeit not Taipei), I sincerely doubt there is a "Taipei style" of burrito. There's just how the individual restaurant makes it...and I'll guess it's Texmex. Linda Furiya's recipe - I doubt many people other than Linda Furiya have eaten that burrito. And it's high time a section on the California burrito be added. Why can I not edit this page, by the way....is it protected???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 00:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
OK - but Crawford is not the source in that article re: the California burrito. OK,his criticism of the "san francisco" burrito might be biased, but I've also seen bad things said about Texmex burritos. The source, regarding California burritos anyway, are the interviewers' review of the grub. And note that I gave you another article as well. I don't know what you're talking about re: La Taqueria or Taqueria Cancun - it's just as foreign to me as it is foreign to you if I start talking about Santana's or El Cotixan - or even Las Cuatras Milpas (which has nothing to do with cali burritos). Try to stay NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 15:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, so I read all of that main page - i've no intention to scour the thing because I don't really agree with all he (or the reader rebuttals....someone regularly saw people in san diego ordering and eating 2 burritos? i find that hard to believe) says. But it seems you and I (and Crawford) are talking about different things. You dislike the guy because he's ragging on San Francisco burritos, but wanting to add a section on California burritos (NOT "san diego style" mind you) is not to disparage San Francisco burritos. I frankly have zero interest in the SD-SF burrito debate and I am not sure why you are mentioning it to me...Secondly that link, unless I missed something, didn't talk much about the California burrito that we're trying to include (basic ingredients: carne asada, potatoes, cheese, plus a sauce [be it pico, guacamole, or sour cream]). There might be other burritos that are in a "san diego style" but I think it's mostly baja style - that is an, emphasis on meat and guacamole, and less emphasis on beans or rice (another very common order is a carne asada burrito - which is usually just beefsteak and guacamole and maybe pico de gallo, and the diner adds salsa to his/her preference). This is my experience at dozens of different taco shops in the SD and Tijuana area. However, the california burrito is a unique burrito style that is very very well known by a large demographic in the San Diego/southern california area and deserves inclusion. So, OK, I agree with you - this particular blog is not a great source because it doesnt deal with the topic at hand - but yes he did talk in that union-tribune article which mentions california burritos as an aside - the part I like is when his friends I believe (not crawford) review a california burrito without bothering to define it - they just talk about it taking for granted the ingredients, just like many people in san diego would. it's a taken-for-granted menu item and i really doubt you can find someone aged 15-35 who didn't know what it was unless they had never set food in a mexican restaurant before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 15:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The California burrito is a Mexican-American dish created in San Diego. It is served in almost every Mexican restaurant in southern California. It is typically a flour tortilla stuffed with carne asada, salsa fresca, french fries, cheese, and sour cream. There is some debate whether sour cream or guacamole is in the "real" California burrito. The burrito itself, is similar to a typical "Carne Asada Fries" dish which consists of the same ingredients without being rolled into a burrito. This burrito is an Americanized Mexican dish; having french fries combined with a burrito is not a common dish known to Mexico.
As I mentioned, I'm unable to edit the main page (is it locked?). I realize that secondary sources are necessary, but sometimes it's hard to get some secondhand analysis on topics such as food. Take for example, the spanish rice article linked in the first paragraph. Not a single source. Should it be entirely scrapped then? Anyway, I would submit the above paragraphs with these edits:
The California burrito is a Mexican-American dish most likely created in San Diego(unverified). It is served in almost every Mexican restaurant in southern California (should this be changed to Metro San Diego? I'm not sure if this is true in LA or other cities). It is typically a flour tortilla stuffed with carne asada, french fries or fried potatoes, cheese, and a sauce (which varies from pico de gallo, guacamole, and sour cream). The burrito itself, is similar to a typical "Carne Asada Fries"(Can this be hyperlinked?) dish which consists of many of the same ingredients without being rolled into a burrito. (Removed the "Americanized" portion because Mexican burritos do contain potatoes sometimes, although not french fries).
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Sometimes in LA, it's just called a Burro............
In New Zealand we used to have a commercial about the burrito. It was done by Old El Paso and it made reference to "Burt Rito...yeah i know him" So where is Burt Rito? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panda dan ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I probably read that same SF Weekly article, which, I believe, was published between 1990 and 1993. The article claims that the burrito was invented in northern California several decades ago. It cites Mexican farm workers in the Salinas Valley (John Steinbeck's home) receiving wheat flour from their employers. The farm workers used that flour to make tortillas. They wrapped leftover beans, rice and meat in the flour tortillas and carried them into the fields for lunch. That farm worker's lunch item evolved into the familiar taqueria burritos that non-Latino San Franciscans have been buying for the past 35 years. Currently, this writer favors the al pastor burrito (in a grilled tortilla) from Taqueria Cancun (Mission & 19th). Caveat emptor! Favorite taquerias are subject to change. I still mourn the loss of Taqueria Tepatitlan which did not survive the Loma Prieta earthquake. I also feel sorry for folks in the 'burbs who must choose among La Salsa, Del Taco and Taco Bell. User:the Ghost of Tom Joad
I said that I read that SF Weekly Article. I never said that I accepted it as the gospel. When I was a kid, in the mid-20th century, a burrito was a rolled & folded tortilla filled with refried beans and, maybe, a little cheese. They were about the size of a big candy bar. Two of them might have been enough for a light lunch. I didn't have a big burrito containing rice, beans, meat & salsa rolled in an LP-sized tortilla until the early '70s. I went to LA back then, and the best I could find there was the Hollenbeck burrito, which was a wet burrito drenched in red sauce. Now, there are plenty of non-Latino "wraps" that contain just about anything. The definitive history of the burrito is probably as difficult to document as the evolution of the sandwich. [the Ghost of Tom Joad]
I cannot cite a source (other than that I think I read it in the SF Weekly 10-15 years ago) but I read that the burrito, while certainly part of Mexican cuisine, was actually "invented" in the U.S. The story I read (and it seems plausible) was that traditionally there was not wheat/flour in Mexico, only corn. And you simply can't "wrap" a self-contained burrito in a corn tortilla - if will fall open and/or apart. The story went on to say that the burrito originated with migrant Mexican workers California's Central Valley and, as noted below, was preferred because it enabled the whole meal to be conveniently wrapped up to take into the fields - suggesting the donkey as porter/"best of burden," not a roll on the donkey's back or a donkey's ear.
Does anyone know why the spanish word meaning "little donkey" came to mean a tortilla wrap?...I've asked quite a few people, including a number of Mexicans, but nobody seems to know...-- 4.244.105.218 05:25, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I cleaned up this article - I stumbled upon it at random and the writing style struck me as sophomoric and repetitious. I divided it up into chunks, moved external links to the bottom, cleaned up the prose as best I could (I know nothing about burritos) and turned one of the paragraphs, which was a comma separated list of ingredients into an actual list. If this doesn't fit in with the rest of wikipedia, let me know - I'm new here. -- Moe Aboulkheir 01:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The link required a password. Enough said.
Just as Chicago-style Pizza is covered on the Pizza page, style or types of burritos should be treated on the Burrito page not on an independent page. Much of the information on the San Francisco Burrito page is about burritos in general anyway. Ortcutt 22:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge. Jack Cain 10:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge. 63.84.231.3 18:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge. Ortcutt 22:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge summary of article only, between one and three paragraphs with main article link pointing to the full subject which is still under expansion. I've removed the merge tag since this does not effect the regional page in any way. This is an independent page and always will be, just like Chicago-style pizza ; this is regional cuisine. — Viriditas | Talk 13:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
As primary author of the SF burrito page, I agree with Viriditas--summary is fine, even better would be an expansion of the overall history of the burrito that then leads into the regional variations, which could include the SF burrito summary.
But merging misses the point--the point of the San Francisco burrito page is that this type of burrito has a distinct and interesting history and that this type of burrito is quite different than the burrito you buy at Taco Bell or the burrito you buy in Mexico or San Diego, while the burrito page is a summary of what a burrito is more generally. The San Francisco burrito page is far too long to be included in to the burrito article without overwhelming it, so to make a sensible and coherent burrito page, merging would mean axing the SF burrito page into a paragraph or so anyway (or devoting many pages to a more detailed burrito page). But why cut the original article? There have been a number of external links to it, it serves a local purpose for intent fans of the SF burrito (of which there are legions), and besides which it earned me an Oddball Barnstar which I am loath to see go to waste--or more seriously, as the text of that Barnstar suggested, the original page is the sort of thing that would never go into a traditional encyclopedia but has a potentially cool value nonetheless. Yeah, it's quirky that the SF burrito page is much bigger and more researched than the burrito page--but that certainly is not the most egregious such example of content on Wikipedia. And it is approximately proportional to the amount of passion and discussion that goes into burritos in San Francisco versus in other cities where they're just another food rather than some kind of socio-cultural-political-culinary icon, as they have become in SF. If you think the burrito page should be more detailed than the San Francisco burrito page, fair enough--but do it by expanding the burrito page, not axing the SF burrito page. Joewright 16:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
why is a burrito not a sandwich??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.11.28.126 ( talk) 03:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Yeah, the burrito not sandwitch court link is dead. I wonderd the same thing myself.
SIMPLE: Burritos have tortillas, sandwiches have two peices of bread. If you want something that's between a sandwich and burrito, eat a Torta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzTyne ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
--Link is changed to active link. Thanks for pointing out the dead link--and remember, you can always look for links and edit wikipedia yourself, too!
Joewright 15:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
--Also added burritoblog link to entry which includes entire ruling in case--if folks know how to find and link to this ruling on its own we can change the link to that. Joewright 15:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The burrito is sandwich. JMarsh ( talk) 03:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Are breakfast burritos a US invention or are they eaten south of the border as well? Inquiring, over-caffeinated minds want to know. Kyaa the Catlord 12:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Here's a resource with dated references [5]. Here are some samples from the webpage:
Blank Verse 05:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I stand in awe of your breakfast burrito knowledge, my fellow burritologists. Let us not fight over this issue, instead, join me for a tasty burrito and we shall become enlightened... together! (And amuse the hell out of my coworkers.) Kyaa the Catlord 14:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Sections on Southern California burritos and Burrito culture are needed. — Viriditas | Talk 07:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I think Timeline of the burrito should be merged here. That list is composed primarily of the dates when various Mexican restaurants opened, has no citations, and no wikilinks except for SF Weekly. Tocharianne 19:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
List of taco fillings has been nominated for deletion, along with List of burrito fillings. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of taco fillings. Blank Verse 14:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I deleted this because I think its potentially offensive and ridiculous to randomly put in to an otherwise innocuous article on a type of food. If you want to put it in, find a new page for it under slang terms for homosexuals or something of that nature. User talk:Mediterraneo
Was the intention of the Taco Bell chef in grilling the burrito really to make it taste bad? What source is this intent cited from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.149.171.170 ( talk) 02:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
A few of my Mexican friends tell me that burritos are not Mexican food but rather Chicano/Chicana food. That is, the burrito originated among the hispanic population of the U.S. and is not directly from Mexico.
-- Warfreak 10:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree...This is not real Mexican Food. So Stop with all of this BS and saying its Autentic Mexican Food as Taco Bell says it is..Im Mexican and I consider it very insulting when you say this..its like saying Spagettii is all italinans eat evey day... —Preceding
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The article says that "winnys" is pronounced "weinies". This doesn't help things much. Is the word derived from "Wiener"? If so, note that in that word, the i precedes the e -- they are, after all, named after Wien (Vienna), Austria. ("Wien" rhymes with English "bean", whereas "Wein" would rhyme with English "wine".) There's the added confusion that in the journey from German to English, the pronunciation of the 'w' in "wiener" changed to reflect English usage. Was this change preserved in the Spanish version? Perhaps an IPA pronunciation would help disambiguate. -- Cholling 16:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed that in the opening paragraph it states that with Mexican burritos "The meat is usually the only filling, and the burrito is rolled fairly thin." Well, I'm Mexican-American and I have family in Mexico. I have travelled throughout Mexico and I've never known a Mexican person who did not fill burritos with various ingredients including beans, rice and cheese. Some statements in the article also claim that burritos are not popular throughout central and southern Mexico. One paragraph actually states that McDonald's and Taco Bell popularized burritos in Mexico. That is just plain ridiculous. That's like saying that sandwiches are foreign to people who live in the Northwestern part of the US. The only difference I've noticed between Mexican and American burritos is that American burritos tend to be larger because they are made with a larger flour tortilla.
There is not even any Taco Bell in Mexico ¬¬ and the Burritos sold on Burger King are the only ones I have ever eaten, I live in Mexico City, and I can say that I have been to lots of parts in Mexico where burritos are really unknown or barely eatenç —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.137.83.27 ( talk) 16:06, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I totally agree with the article that the burrito is actually a chicano invention. This is a food made with mexican ingredients but made by mexicans that either have been here awhile or are 2nd and 3rd generation. If you were to ask a mexican national what a "burrito" was he would tell you it was a "baby donkey". If you showed him a "burrito" he would call it a "taco". Their was never a food in Mexico called a "burrito". Maybe now there is, with so much american influence in mexico. The "burrito" originated at a mexican restaraunt Called "Vickys" in E.L.A. which was located on the corner of 1st and Indiana. "Vicky" invented the burrito for those on the go who wanted a big meal, since we put just about everything into it. It was especially made for police officers who frequented Vickys but wanted a "fast food". This was in the early 50's. As most of the police officers of that day were white who lived out of the area, they took that concept out of E.L.A. and into the mexican restaurants where they lived and so on and so on. We have to be careful when people talk about authentic mexican food. Back in the Late 60's and early 70's people in other parts of the country thought "Taco Bell" was authentic mexican food. The burrito could be considered the first fast food and you can put anything inside of it even peanut butter.mmmmm Crowleyposse 21:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone undid my correction that the US-style burrito is not Tex-Mex. There is no justification calling a burrito Tex-Mex. See the discussion above of the reasons for merging San Francisco-style burrito with burrito. They are distinctive regional variations of the same thing. The same holds for other California burritos, which were originally developed in California from Mexican cuisine. They weren't imported from Texas.-- Zeamays ( talk) 18:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Please add sv:Burrito. / 81.229.176.193 ( talk) 15:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
This article states, "Tia Sophia's, a Mexican café in Santa Fe, New Mexico, claims to have invented the original breakfast burrito in 1975, filling a rolled tortilla with bacon and potatoes, served wet with chili and cheese"
That is the most ridiculous claim that I've ever heard. I'm Mexican American and my family has lived in the Southwestern US for many generations, the "breakfast burrito" has been around for as far back as anyone can remember. Flour tortillas are as common within the Mexican American community as white bread is common within mainstream America and Mexican Americans have been filling flour tortillas with every ingredient imaginable ever since its creation, including chorizo and eggs. Tia Sophia cafe's claim is as ridiculous as if an American restaurant claimed to have invented scrambled eggs on toast in 1975. Tia Sophia's may have created the specific combination of "bacon and potatoes, served wet with chili and cheese" but she did not invent the breakfast burrito itself Dreamcast88 ( talk) 07:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
For San Franciscans, the burrito has become an important part of hipster and Chicano culture. [1] [2]
Sometime ago there was a page devoted to the California Burrito, but it has since disappeared and apparently been merged here. I find that the information given about the California burrito is a little off, so I deleted the wording of "San Diego style". If you go into any street Mexican place (Mexico Viejo, Roberto's, Karina's, Juanita's, Filiberto's, etc.) they will not know what you are talking about if you ask for a "San Diego style" burrito. A lot of the information that was on the old California Burrito page is not included here, such as that it is basically derived from Carne Asada Fries (or Super Fries) being wrapped in a tortilla. Any one as diehard about the California have more input? I am a newbie when it comes to wikipedia editing so I am tentative to alter anything dramatically. DEFmagic ( talk) 01:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
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at the mom and pop taco shops they come with cream cheese. Sickero ( talk) 03:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
i think there really needs to be some note regarding the "california burrito" as ordered in san diego. it's a menu item that is ordered by the thousands daily - much more than any "california burrito" on offer by fred's mexican cafe. it's a significant dish - i see pictures of a cleveland baked burrito and a taipei-style burrito, both of which i'm sure are less prominent than the san diego/southern california "california burrito" (the basics of which, by the way, are carne asada,potatoes (fried or otherwise), and cheese - the sauce varies from branch to branch, be it guacamole, sour cream, or pico de gallo. does fred's mexican cafe sell a false version of it? sure. just as i'm sure some restaurants sell abominations that they call a "san francisco burrito." therefore should we remove the san francisco burrito, which personally i had never heard of, section? as for notability, santana's serves this style. though atm their website is under construction. still, i assure you that their menu item represents the california burrito style. http://www.santanas.com/ more locations than fred's...and santana's is ENTIRELY in the san diego area. here's another example http://www.robertos.us/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=81 and another: http://www.sombreromex.com/menu.shtml so, i'm sorry, but fred's is not truly notable in this case. they are just an aberration. ---ha, so now that i read this page, basically the reason there is no entry for the california burrito is that fred's mexican cafe is trying to restrict the use of the name. i can't belive that this is being allowed on wikipedia.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 16:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps California Burrito should be redirected to the Carne Asada Fries page and created as a subsection on that page, since both are very similar in concept and creation. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 15:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Im kinda new but i understand —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickero ( talk • contribs) 04:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Would this be sufficient reference in regards to the difference between a San Francisco style burrito and a San Diego style burrito? San Diego Union Tribune -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 04:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Help me out here, on the Nacho page some of the cited sources used were directly from commercial pages, thus showing the existance of the item or its variants. If that is the scrutiny of sources there, shouldn't that be the same level of scrutiny used here? And if that is the case, shouldn't we include sources such as the Santana's Mexican Grill webpage as relevent cited sources which to establish a subsection regarding the "California Burrito"? -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 09:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, our editing wars, maybe newsworthy.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 06:45, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
-I find the resistance to adding a blurb about the "california burrito" as found in hundreds of taco shops in southern california (and arizona?) a bit odd. this idea of finding "secondary sources" for a food item.. well, I understand this is an encyclopedia, but as RightCowLeftCoast has mentioned, several food articles are not experiencing quite the same level of "enforcement" as this burrito page. just because people are not writing essays about it and its cultural impact, as may have been done for the mission burritos, doesn't mean they are not noteworthy. it's so common in san diego that I don't think I can find a single fast food Mexican restaurant that does not have it on the menu - they simply have to, because so many people order it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.154.213.173 ( talk) 17:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Why is there a link to Pink Taco? Does it have anything to do with burritos, other than maybe it serves burritos? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.106.125 ( talk) 22:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the see also section. The link to the cookbook was duplicated, and already appears at the bottom right of the page. Two more links, Frybread and Pink Taco do not have a good argument for inclusion. Viriditas ( talk) 21:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Need sources for San Diego style burrito. See: Talk:Burrito#The_California_Burrito. Viriditas ( talk) 12:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Unless I here object, as this article has parts that are unsupported by reference(s), I will add a sentence regarding the contents of Carne asada fries, served in a tortilla. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 20:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Things that could be removed? International Burrito photo section: A) Washington state isn't international if we're talking about a largely Mexican American food item. B) Having lived in Asia (albeit not Taipei), I sincerely doubt there is a "Taipei style" of burrito. There's just how the individual restaurant makes it...and I'll guess it's Texmex. Linda Furiya's recipe - I doubt many people other than Linda Furiya have eaten that burrito. And it's high time a section on the California burrito be added. Why can I not edit this page, by the way....is it protected???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 00:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
OK - but Crawford is not the source in that article re: the California burrito. OK,his criticism of the "san francisco" burrito might be biased, but I've also seen bad things said about Texmex burritos. The source, regarding California burritos anyway, are the interviewers' review of the grub. And note that I gave you another article as well. I don't know what you're talking about re: La Taqueria or Taqueria Cancun - it's just as foreign to me as it is foreign to you if I start talking about Santana's or El Cotixan - or even Las Cuatras Milpas (which has nothing to do with cali burritos). Try to stay NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 15:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, so I read all of that main page - i've no intention to scour the thing because I don't really agree with all he (or the reader rebuttals....someone regularly saw people in san diego ordering and eating 2 burritos? i find that hard to believe) says. But it seems you and I (and Crawford) are talking about different things. You dislike the guy because he's ragging on San Francisco burritos, but wanting to add a section on California burritos (NOT "san diego style" mind you) is not to disparage San Francisco burritos. I frankly have zero interest in the SD-SF burrito debate and I am not sure why you are mentioning it to me...Secondly that link, unless I missed something, didn't talk much about the California burrito that we're trying to include (basic ingredients: carne asada, potatoes, cheese, plus a sauce [be it pico, guacamole, or sour cream]). There might be other burritos that are in a "san diego style" but I think it's mostly baja style - that is an, emphasis on meat and guacamole, and less emphasis on beans or rice (another very common order is a carne asada burrito - which is usually just beefsteak and guacamole and maybe pico de gallo, and the diner adds salsa to his/her preference). This is my experience at dozens of different taco shops in the SD and Tijuana area. However, the california burrito is a unique burrito style that is very very well known by a large demographic in the San Diego/southern california area and deserves inclusion. So, OK, I agree with you - this particular blog is not a great source because it doesnt deal with the topic at hand - but yes he did talk in that union-tribune article which mentions california burritos as an aside - the part I like is when his friends I believe (not crawford) review a california burrito without bothering to define it - they just talk about it taking for granted the ingredients, just like many people in san diego would. it's a taken-for-granted menu item and i really doubt you can find someone aged 15-35 who didn't know what it was unless they had never set food in a mexican restaurant before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.147.247.11 ( talk) 15:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The California burrito is a Mexican-American dish created in San Diego. It is served in almost every Mexican restaurant in southern California. It is typically a flour tortilla stuffed with carne asada, salsa fresca, french fries, cheese, and sour cream. There is some debate whether sour cream or guacamole is in the "real" California burrito. The burrito itself, is similar to a typical "Carne Asada Fries" dish which consists of the same ingredients without being rolled into a burrito. This burrito is an Americanized Mexican dish; having french fries combined with a burrito is not a common dish known to Mexico.
As I mentioned, I'm unable to edit the main page (is it locked?). I realize that secondary sources are necessary, but sometimes it's hard to get some secondhand analysis on topics such as food. Take for example, the spanish rice article linked in the first paragraph. Not a single source. Should it be entirely scrapped then? Anyway, I would submit the above paragraphs with these edits:
The California burrito is a Mexican-American dish most likely created in San Diego(unverified). It is served in almost every Mexican restaurant in southern California (should this be changed to Metro San Diego? I'm not sure if this is true in LA or other cities). It is typically a flour tortilla stuffed with carne asada, french fries or fried potatoes, cheese, and a sauce (which varies from pico de gallo, guacamole, and sour cream). The burrito itself, is similar to a typical "Carne Asada Fries"(Can this be hyperlinked?) dish which consists of many of the same ingredients without being rolled into a burrito. (Removed the "Americanized" portion because Mexican burritos do contain potatoes sometimes, although not french fries).
--Sorry, I don't have much computer editing skill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.40.64.27 ( talk) 23:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
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