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I have seen both Connor and Conner from various sources - in this article both are used, so that didn't clarify things for me at all. Googling yields more hits for "bull connor" than for "bull conner" (~86500 to ~12000) , and I've never encountered Conner as a name before, so I lean towards Connor. It would be nice if someone could figure out definitively which spelling is correct and change all instances of the name in the article accordingly. 68.56.255.109 04:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
"I changed the top part because ALOT of the protest marchers were not unarmed or peaceful." - quoted from edit summary by User:Greentime.
I deleted this passage, because various Google searches turned up empty.
Greg Kuperberg ( talk) 13:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
According to http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1091 Bull Connor was NOT a member of the Ku Klux Klan. 65.170.33.100 ( talk) 20:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
The issues between the two men truly on December 26 when Connor was arrested, five days after having been found in a hotel room with his 34-year-old secretary, Christina Brown, following a Christmas party.
Apart from the missing words "truly came to a head" maybe?. I do not see any connection between the anomosity between the two and the arrest. was it instigated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonW11 ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
@ NationalInterest16: Wikipedia goes by reliable source, and Bull Connor was, according to many reliable sources, an iconic member of the conservative faction of the Southern Democrats. As there is a large amount of confusion (apparently) over the shift in Southern Democrat position on race ( Southern strategy, etc.), this is important to mention. To avoid further edit warring, please do not remove the word again until this issue has been discussed. Wikipedia works by consensus. Grayfell ( talk) 03:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Conservative is not really the name of a U.S. political party, at least not one which is relevant to this discussion. Historically, the name "Conservative party" was applied to both southern racists who later joined the Democrats ( Conservative Party of South Carolina), and sometimes to a movement of northern anti-racists who joined the Republicans ( Conservative Party of Virginia, which confusingly, was aligned with the Liberal Republican Party (United States)) but that all happened before Connor. "Conservative" in this context refers to a set of overlapping political philosophies, instead of a single party. Conservative vs. liberal isn't so much concerned with specific laws as the social and economic effects and intentions of those laws, so Clinton would only be "conservative" if that immigration law sought to maintain a strong social hierarchy.
"Traditional" would be better than nothing, but it's still euphemistic. The sources I linked all support the connection between 'conservative' and segregation. If you don't agree, I don't know what to tell you, but as I said, there are many more where that came from. Here's one that mentions Bull Connor as an example:
[11] (...hostility to civil rights and to liberal government were mutually reinforcing.
) Another one:
[12] (During the civil rights struggles, the only place white conservatives could be found was implicitly or explicitly besides Bull Connor, Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox, and George Wallace.
). Here's one talking about the conservative faction breaking away from LBJ after the Civil Rights Act:
[13] That book is not about Connor, but the entire book takes it for granted that liberals would oppose segregation, while conservatives would resist desegregation. Many other books also do this, and it's not particularly controversial to say that segregation was, at that time, considered a conservative cause.
Grayfell (
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03:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
But race was the wedge issue of the American South in the 1950s and 1960s. Immediately after the war, it had been opposition to the New Deal. Alabama, as it happens, was actually very pro New Deal. But as one source puts it, "And race's inviolable connection to the other pillars of conservative southern orthodoxy - class, gender, ethnicity, religion, militaristic patriotism - made talking about Alabama as the most liberal place around, except on matters of race, the logical equivalent of asking Mrs. Lincoln how she liked the play, aside from the shooting." [1] The same source goes on to describe how Connor "converted with gusto" to the segregationist conservative coalition. Sławomir Biały ( talk) 10:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
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There was considerable repetition between sections and circular narrative. Have edited to put organization of the early 1960s period of Connor against activism, in more chronological order. It jumped back and forth too much before. Have put the events of the Freedom Riders before change in city government and Connor being voted out of office. Parkwells ( talk) 18:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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I have seen both Connor and Conner from various sources - in this article both are used, so that didn't clarify things for me at all. Googling yields more hits for "bull connor" than for "bull conner" (~86500 to ~12000) , and I've never encountered Conner as a name before, so I lean towards Connor. It would be nice if someone could figure out definitively which spelling is correct and change all instances of the name in the article accordingly. 68.56.255.109 04:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
"I changed the top part because ALOT of the protest marchers were not unarmed or peaceful." - quoted from edit summary by User:Greentime.
I deleted this passage, because various Google searches turned up empty.
Greg Kuperberg ( talk) 13:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
According to http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1091 Bull Connor was NOT a member of the Ku Klux Klan. 65.170.33.100 ( talk) 20:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
The issues between the two men truly on December 26 when Connor was arrested, five days after having been found in a hotel room with his 34-year-old secretary, Christina Brown, following a Christmas party.
Apart from the missing words "truly came to a head" maybe?. I do not see any connection between the anomosity between the two and the arrest. was it instigated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonW11 ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
@ NationalInterest16: Wikipedia goes by reliable source, and Bull Connor was, according to many reliable sources, an iconic member of the conservative faction of the Southern Democrats. As there is a large amount of confusion (apparently) over the shift in Southern Democrat position on race ( Southern strategy, etc.), this is important to mention. To avoid further edit warring, please do not remove the word again until this issue has been discussed. Wikipedia works by consensus. Grayfell ( talk) 03:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Conservative is not really the name of a U.S. political party, at least not one which is relevant to this discussion. Historically, the name "Conservative party" was applied to both southern racists who later joined the Democrats ( Conservative Party of South Carolina), and sometimes to a movement of northern anti-racists who joined the Republicans ( Conservative Party of Virginia, which confusingly, was aligned with the Liberal Republican Party (United States)) but that all happened before Connor. "Conservative" in this context refers to a set of overlapping political philosophies, instead of a single party. Conservative vs. liberal isn't so much concerned with specific laws as the social and economic effects and intentions of those laws, so Clinton would only be "conservative" if that immigration law sought to maintain a strong social hierarchy.
"Traditional" would be better than nothing, but it's still euphemistic. The sources I linked all support the connection between 'conservative' and segregation. If you don't agree, I don't know what to tell you, but as I said, there are many more where that came from. Here's one that mentions Bull Connor as an example:
[11] (...hostility to civil rights and to liberal government were mutually reinforcing.
) Another one:
[12] (During the civil rights struggles, the only place white conservatives could be found was implicitly or explicitly besides Bull Connor, Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox, and George Wallace.
). Here's one talking about the conservative faction breaking away from LBJ after the Civil Rights Act:
[13] That book is not about Connor, but the entire book takes it for granted that liberals would oppose segregation, while conservatives would resist desegregation. Many other books also do this, and it's not particularly controversial to say that segregation was, at that time, considered a conservative cause.
Grayfell (
talk)
03:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
But race was the wedge issue of the American South in the 1950s and 1960s. Immediately after the war, it had been opposition to the New Deal. Alabama, as it happens, was actually very pro New Deal. But as one source puts it, "And race's inviolable connection to the other pillars of conservative southern orthodoxy - class, gender, ethnicity, religion, militaristic patriotism - made talking about Alabama as the most liberal place around, except on matters of race, the logical equivalent of asking Mrs. Lincoln how she liked the play, aside from the shooting." [1] The same source goes on to describe how Connor "converted with gusto" to the segregationist conservative coalition. Sławomir Biały ( talk) 10:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
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There was considerable repetition between sections and circular narrative. Have edited to put organization of the early 1960s period of Connor against activism, in more chronological order. It jumped back and forth too much before. Have put the events of the Freedom Riders before change in city government and Connor being voted out of office. Parkwells ( talk) 18:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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