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This is a very one-sided biased article making little or no effort to look at the Ottoman Turkish references. It has no reference of Turkish origin, even though one side in this battle is Ottoman Turks. If the Turkish references were used, the bias of this article will be self-evident. The reason is that Turkish historians do not include a battle that is given the name of Maritsa Battle or Chernomen Battle that has taken place on 26 September 1371. In Ottoman-Turkish history books there is a battle called Sirp Sindigi (Rout of the Serbs) which has taken place on 26 September 1364. References in English are found in S.J.Shaw (1976) History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey Vol.1 Empire of Gazis Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, p.18 and D.Nicolle, (1983), Armies of the Ottoman Turks 1300-1774, Osprey Pub. London, p.28. Noyder ( talk) 02:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Battle of Chernomen has nothing to do with Bulgarians because it's part of Serbian/Turkish history.-- 79.175.118.32 ( talk) 01:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
True, the Christian armies were led by princes of Serbian origin, but they ruled principalities populated mostly by Bulgarian population, and definitely not Serbia proper. The aftermath of the battles is that territories populated by Bulgarians came under the Ottoman realm. Also, as the article states, parts of the armies consisted of Bulgarian soldiers, so to state that the battles have nothing to do with Bulgarians is incorrect. But feel free to add the above to the article as it most certainly helps clarify the picture. If you look at Битката при Марица [1] in Bulgarian, this is pretty well explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.255.63 ( talk) 18:43, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
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Please, do not re-insert biased off-topic info about the Balkan wars. If you want, just add this article in See also section. Thank you. Jingiby ( talk)
They were not Bulgarian Ottoman is a nonsense. If they were not such what were the Balkan Wars then? Because they were between the states with the name Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire they were Bulgarian-Ottoman, so I do not understand what do you mean and what is your point is, so, explain, thanks.-- Ceco31 ( talk) 10:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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The author of this article fails to distinguish Selcuk turks from the Ottomans when reffering to the battles of Momchil. 31.182.223.191 ( talk) 22:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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This is a very one-sided biased article making little or no effort to look at the Ottoman Turkish references. It has no reference of Turkish origin, even though one side in this battle is Ottoman Turks. If the Turkish references were used, the bias of this article will be self-evident. The reason is that Turkish historians do not include a battle that is given the name of Maritsa Battle or Chernomen Battle that has taken place on 26 September 1371. In Ottoman-Turkish history books there is a battle called Sirp Sindigi (Rout of the Serbs) which has taken place on 26 September 1364. References in English are found in S.J.Shaw (1976) History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey Vol.1 Empire of Gazis Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, p.18 and D.Nicolle, (1983), Armies of the Ottoman Turks 1300-1774, Osprey Pub. London, p.28. Noyder ( talk) 02:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Battle of Chernomen has nothing to do with Bulgarians because it's part of Serbian/Turkish history.-- 79.175.118.32 ( talk) 01:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
True, the Christian armies were led by princes of Serbian origin, but they ruled principalities populated mostly by Bulgarian population, and definitely not Serbia proper. The aftermath of the battles is that territories populated by Bulgarians came under the Ottoman realm. Also, as the article states, parts of the armies consisted of Bulgarian soldiers, so to state that the battles have nothing to do with Bulgarians is incorrect. But feel free to add the above to the article as it most certainly helps clarify the picture. If you look at Битката при Марица [1] in Bulgarian, this is pretty well explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.77.255.63 ( talk) 18:43, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
References
Please, do not re-insert biased off-topic info about the Balkan wars. If you want, just add this article in See also section. Thank you. Jingiby ( talk)
They were not Bulgarian Ottoman is a nonsense. If they were not such what were the Balkan Wars then? Because they were between the states with the name Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire they were Bulgarian-Ottoman, so I do not understand what do you mean and what is your point is, so, explain, thanks.-- Ceco31 ( talk) 10:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 00:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! José Luiz talk 22:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
The author of this article fails to distinguish Selcuk turks from the Ottomans when reffering to the battles of Momchil. 31.182.223.191 ( talk) 22:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)