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@ Doncram: I guess I'll ask since there were three separate things happening in this edit:
Google mapswith a
citation needed
tag: There are several issues with referencing something to Google Maps.
That historic church may be this church, or maybe is not.: What is the point of this sentence? In some sense, it is meaningless since it is always true regardless of the nouns. "That historic church may be a cat, or may is not" is equally true. I also assume that there is a missing "it" between
maybeand
is?
citation needed
tag on It is recognized as Site number 102 of the American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry.: There's no citation for this; what's wrong with asking for one?
Hopefully that explains why I made the original edit. — MarkH21 talk 10:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
about 1 mile (1.6 km) east of Fox River Road. The United Presbyterian Church Cemetery is also located there.are also attributed to Google Maps. Google Maps does not explicitly give the distance estimate directly to the road and verifying the second statements requires looking at Google Maps for location pins that may change. Even the location pin for the Buffalo Presbyterian Church may change.
Attribute all quotations and any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged to a reliable, published source using an inline citation.This could be fixed by just importing the citation from American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry.
No, I strongly disagree and consider that to still be OR/synthesis. Dispute resolution is the next step. I mean you can’t just disagree, use an ad hominem, and say that we can’t use DR. I’ll post on the original research noticeboards if you don’t want to use 3O or RfC.
You haven’t said anything about #2 so I assume you don’t contest that it shouldn’t be here for now? — MarkH21 talk 16:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
be putting me up as wrong in some way. It’s consensus-building. — MarkH21 talk 18:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I have removed the "Trinity United Methodist Church..." bit until it is demonstrably relevant, as you point out that its relevant is unclear right now. Also about the Google Maps issue, it seems that
old consensus from the
No original research noticeboard is that Google Maps should not be used to calculate distances or give other calculations that are not routine or uncontroversial. Instead of removing the footnote, I've placed a
Template:Better sources needed to illustrate that. —
MarkH21
talk
02:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Hold on, is the church described in the book (and where most of the details of the article come from) the same as the one in the registry?
The one in the registry lists Site No. 102 Buffalo Presbyterian Church, Montello, WI
in
Winnebago County, Wisconsin but the Montello, WI described in the book is the one at the link
Montello, Wisconsin in
Marquette County, which isn't even adjacent to Winnebago County. These appear to be two entirely different churches named "Buffalo" in different places named "Montello".
Also @
Doncram: the White Wee Kirk
seems to be a different church than the Presbyterian Church at Buffalo
described in the book, based on
the description (also
here and
here), on the historical marker from the American Presbyterian and Reformed Historic Sites; note it being founded in 1865 and not 1858! —
MarkH21
talk
03:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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@ Doncram: I guess I'll ask since there were three separate things happening in this edit:
Google mapswith a
citation needed
tag: There are several issues with referencing something to Google Maps.
That historic church may be this church, or maybe is not.: What is the point of this sentence? In some sense, it is meaningless since it is always true regardless of the nouns. "That historic church may be a cat, or may is not" is equally true. I also assume that there is a missing "it" between
maybeand
is?
citation needed
tag on It is recognized as Site number 102 of the American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry.: There's no citation for this; what's wrong with asking for one?
Hopefully that explains why I made the original edit. — MarkH21 talk 10:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
about 1 mile (1.6 km) east of Fox River Road. The United Presbyterian Church Cemetery is also located there.are also attributed to Google Maps. Google Maps does not explicitly give the distance estimate directly to the road and verifying the second statements requires looking at Google Maps for location pins that may change. Even the location pin for the Buffalo Presbyterian Church may change.
Attribute all quotations and any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged to a reliable, published source using an inline citation.This could be fixed by just importing the citation from American Presbyterian/Reformed Historic Sites Registry.
No, I strongly disagree and consider that to still be OR/synthesis. Dispute resolution is the next step. I mean you can’t just disagree, use an ad hominem, and say that we can’t use DR. I’ll post on the original research noticeboards if you don’t want to use 3O or RfC.
You haven’t said anything about #2 so I assume you don’t contest that it shouldn’t be here for now? — MarkH21 talk 16:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
be putting me up as wrong in some way. It’s consensus-building. — MarkH21 talk 18:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I have removed the "Trinity United Methodist Church..." bit until it is demonstrably relevant, as you point out that its relevant is unclear right now. Also about the Google Maps issue, it seems that
old consensus from the
No original research noticeboard is that Google Maps should not be used to calculate distances or give other calculations that are not routine or uncontroversial. Instead of removing the footnote, I've placed a
Template:Better sources needed to illustrate that. —
MarkH21
talk
02:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Hold on, is the church described in the book (and where most of the details of the article come from) the same as the one in the registry?
The one in the registry lists Site No. 102 Buffalo Presbyterian Church, Montello, WI
in
Winnebago County, Wisconsin but the Montello, WI described in the book is the one at the link
Montello, Wisconsin in
Marquette County, which isn't even adjacent to Winnebago County. These appear to be two entirely different churches named "Buffalo" in different places named "Montello".
Also @
Doncram: the White Wee Kirk
seems to be a different church than the Presbyterian Church at Buffalo
described in the book, based on
the description (also
here and
here), on the historical marker from the American Presbyterian and Reformed Historic Sites; note it being founded in 1865 and not 1858! —
MarkH21
talk
03:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)