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If possible, I believe the Scientific Classification picture should illustrate a wild specimen. The current picture shows two color mutations, which are not representative of what the species looks like naturally. Fledchen 23:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned up part of this article since it sounded much like a manual, telling others how to take care of their budgeriar. I don't think Wikipedia is the place for that: Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. -- JoanneB 16:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed 3 links from the external links section and added 1. 2 were pointing to NBA and NFL (!) the third one was pointing to a page with a mix of Jesus and Budgie content! I added a link to PetSmart online care guide for budgerigars. Also, I have to agree about removing the "how-to" parts. This is an encylopedia and there are plenty of publications online or offline which can deal with taking care of a companion bird.-- Payam81 17:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Is it really sensible to include a link to the Reynolds site about contextually speaking budgies ? Could it at least be made more clear that that link is completely rediculous. User:169.71.50.41 10:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
A previous revision of the page notes the urban legend that budgerigar was a European misinterpretation of the phrase "good to eat". If anyone has a good reference (either for or against), I believe this would be worth mentioning in the article. The legend is extremely widespread, and it would be good to de-bunk or confirm if possible. -- PJF 01:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is a reliable reference, but I have an old book about budgerigars ("Australia's Pet Budgerigar" by Suzanne Troy & Kevin Kelly, published by Horwitz Publications Inc Pty Ltd, Australia in 1986) which says: "The Aboriginal association with this little bird has been mainly as a source of food in drought areas when other meat is scarce. In fact, the part of the word pronounced "boodgeree" in aborigine means 'good' and the latter part 'gar' means 'food' or 'to eat'." Roxybudgy 01:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
My Grandfather was raised amongst the desert people around White Cliffs. In fact he 1st saw another white child when he was 12 years old, and he had extraordinary bush skills. He claimed that the word meant "good to eat", and I can only assume this was based on his knowledge of aboriginal languages. He passed away in 1968 so I can't really ask him now. Johnpf 04:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The only reference that comes readily to hand is from the Australian National Budgerigar Council (ANBC) Inc. “...however, it can be stated on reliable authority that the name means “good food”. Two extracts support this. In Budgerigars in the Bush and Aviary by Neville Cayley, Percy Peir is quoted as saying.....” [1] Whilst not good, this makes it stronger than just another urban legend.-- Aspro ( talk) 09:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the taxobox background color was changed from pink to green. While this may have seemed more aesthetically pleasing, the color of the taxobox is standardized based on the kingdom an organism belongs to. For animals, it's pink. Complete information is at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/taxobox_usage. Ginkgo100 01:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I have changed some things in the article. First I ahev brough all captivity sections under one main section. Furthermore, I have grouped the general information in the lead section. Finally, I have exchanged the images so that the most natural looking is now in the taxobox, but I do feel that a image of a true wild individual would be best to illustrate the taxonomic component. KimvdLinde 02:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
In keeping with WP:EL, and in order to prevent this article from becoming a spam farm like some other articles have become in the past, I pared down the list of external links to just three. I removed links to personal sites, links to sites lacking references, a link to a copyright violation, and a link that produced huge numbers of pop-up ads. I left a comprehensive, detailed, non-commercial site that has been around for a long time and two well-referenced articles. I hope this is acceptable to other editors. -- Ginkgo100 21:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Just saying, given that albino budgies are a bit rare. Certainly not typical. I'd suggest having an image of an average, natural colours budgie (i.e. grassy green and yellow) instead, to avoid giving incorrect impressions. That's the first thing one sees when opening the page after all. — 88.112.2.159 00:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous user (who I have encouraged to formally join the project) added substantial information about the genetics of budgie color mutations. While interesting, I feel there's so much information it unbalances the article, so I am suggesting the section be split into its own article, Budgerigar genetics. What other article titles might be preferable? Does anyone agree with this? And does anyone know a published source to verify this new information? -- Ginkgo100 talk · contribs · e@ 20:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've made a start on a series of articles that will cover the history and genetics of (some of) the colour mutations in budgerigars. They will contain some technical information, but this is useful for breeders who want to understand how to breed certain colours. As an example, see Blue Budgerigar Mutation. Please leave any further comments there. Trevor37 ( talk) 07:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
And even more than you may think. Ever read Robert Arthur's Three Investigators and the Secret of Terror Castle? Those "parakeets" referred there are indeed budgies and NO (bigger) parrots. This specialty has also been taken care of in the 1984 dramatized play by Edward Kelsey, published by Random House UK on MusiCassette. The sounds you hear on the cassette are indeed budgies' sounds, no parrots' sounds. So this article is awesome, covering a well-known U.S. misnaming. Well done folks. -andy 80.129.113.55 23:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Given that is the most common domesticated parrot and a popular pet - why is this not mentioned until about halfway down the article? GraemeLeggett 17:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Request removal of Image:Dom Dutch Budgie.jpg due to the fact that this image is hard to look at (seems like a large, hard yellow glow, and the yellow in the front of the bird lacks information), and the image adds little to the article. It seems that it really only makes the article harder on the eyes to look at. Althepal 03:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I feel this article has unnecessary images anyway. At least one is redundant, ie tells me no more than another image does. I think that only three of the photos in the article should remain. I'm going to be bold and remove the ones I don't think should be there. Change back as you see fit, and we'll talk about if you do that.
Jsc83
22:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
on page 4 of harry potter and the order of the phonix the news reporter, reports on a water skiing budgerigar.- Jason Iqbal
"Only if they are trained to and have the mini skies tied to thier feet (claw) JasonIqbal 00:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
What does this have to do with the article??
Eenyminy ( talk) 22:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
On the surface, this looked like it might be notable enough to include, but the original link is dead, and this one shows it to be a very unreliable story. I say leave it out. -- Ginkgo100 talk 00:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the section about captivity is grossly outdated and provides wrong and even harmful information and needs to be updated. Budgerigars should NEVER be kept as single pets. They are swarm animals and need fellow birds around them. Budgerigars kept single suffer have long been shown to develop both physical and psychological disablities. What's more MIRRORS should NEVER be used as toys. The birds don't recognize themselves in the mirror and think it is another bird. Because of this they will try to feed the other bird. Because the 'other bird' is only a reflection this can lead to chronic physical ailments like inflammations of the craw which can cause serious pain and even death. Hadoriel 13:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I know I'm an IP so I get limited say but Budgies may be kept alone If they are provided with regular Human contact they only need other budges if they recieve not time with humans outside their cage, so this really only applies to a bird that will leave it's cage. -A Budgie Lover. PS the what you said about the mirrors is well put though.
Birds love mirrors and shiny objects. They don't become problems until they become obsessed with them. This generally happens in greater frequency with single birds. Eenyminy ( talk) 22:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the picture of the budgerigars sitting on the conifer and trying to eat them should be removed. The reason is that most types of conifers can actually be harmful for budgerigars especially when they are still fresh or on the tree because of the resin. Information about this can be found both in common literature about budgerigars or on the web for instance at http://www.tgpa.com/Plants.html Hadoriel 09:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be mentoined, that plastic Toys and so on, can be dangerous for a budgies health, also Mirrors wich can cause Psychic damage to the Bird, especially lone kept birds. And dangerous too are the gasses of used teflon stuff like those table grills. Birds die in seconds when they breathe those gasses! — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{2}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{2}}}|contribs]]) 22:14, 9 August 2007 84.86.46.8
Eenyminy ( talk) 22:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Frankly the personality section of this article is a disgrace so I've gone ahead and made some changes. ALL current literature on budgerigars agrees that the birds should NEVER be kept single. Yet this paragraph, and in fact the article as a whole, states that it is difficult to keep budgerigars together with other of their kind. This is simply not true. It IS true that keeping two females together can result in a lot of problems but keeping only males or pairs of budgerigars generally doesn't pose any problems at all and in fact is highly recommended. Hadoriel 15:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that we should also cover the fact that while parakeets do have distinct personalities, there are some traits that almost all parakeets have-such as almost all of them being very easily scared/excitable, and so on. most people dont seem to believe that parakeets can easily get scared. The Pink Panther ( talk) 00:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I've got a reliable source right here: Parakeets by Nikki Moustaki. Here's what she has to say on the subject of single birds: " 'The single budgie does well when he has a lot of toys and gets a lot of hands-on attention from his human companions, If you're not going to be able to pay a lot of attention to your bird, consider getting two.' " Eenyminy ( talk) 22:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Seems like we have to discuss this every few months. User:Althepal left an edit summary with a very good point: the "outdoor" budgie image ( Image:Zebrabudgie.jpg) is a low quality image with "blown highlights". The "indoor" budgie image ( Image:Budgie001.jpg) is a much higher quality image. Both are photos of domesticated birds (read the image description page for zebrabudgie: it's not a wild bird). Zebrabudgie's body conformation looks a little closer to wild type, but the color looks like it might be olive, which is a mutation. Budgie001 has a bit of a "show budgie" (English budgie) look, but the colors are right. Overall, there's no reason to replace budgie001 with zebrabudgie. If you disagree, feel free to share your opinion here. -- Ginkgo100 talk 17:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Althepal has quite a WP:COI regarding this image [2]. I suggest his opinion is disregarded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.72.200.11 ( talk) 13:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I live just south of Cincinnati, Ohio USA and know that there are feral monk parakeets in my area that overwinter outside with no apparent problem. I am wondering (since budgies are so much more inexpensive than monk parrots) if I could keep a small colony of budgies in an outdoor aviary here in Cincinnati year-round; or, are budgies not tolerant of cold weather (of course allowed to acclimate- would start the outdoor aviary colony in late Spring or early Summer so that they could acclimate to Winter by the gradually lowering temps in Autumn). Are they hardy enough? Just how cold-tolerant are budgies if allowerd to acclimate? I promise that I won't attempt this if it would just be a cruel death sentence for the little budgers. Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.3.226 ( talk) 21:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
If possible, I believe the Scientific Classification picture should illustrate a wild specimen. The current picture shows two color mutations, which are not representative of what the species looks like naturally. Fledchen 23:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned up part of this article since it sounded much like a manual, telling others how to take care of their budgeriar. I don't think Wikipedia is the place for that: Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. -- JoanneB 16:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed 3 links from the external links section and added 1. 2 were pointing to NBA and NFL (!) the third one was pointing to a page with a mix of Jesus and Budgie content! I added a link to PetSmart online care guide for budgerigars. Also, I have to agree about removing the "how-to" parts. This is an encylopedia and there are plenty of publications online or offline which can deal with taking care of a companion bird.-- Payam81 17:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Is it really sensible to include a link to the Reynolds site about contextually speaking budgies ? Could it at least be made more clear that that link is completely rediculous. User:169.71.50.41 10:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
A previous revision of the page notes the urban legend that budgerigar was a European misinterpretation of the phrase "good to eat". If anyone has a good reference (either for or against), I believe this would be worth mentioning in the article. The legend is extremely widespread, and it would be good to de-bunk or confirm if possible. -- PJF 01:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is a reliable reference, but I have an old book about budgerigars ("Australia's Pet Budgerigar" by Suzanne Troy & Kevin Kelly, published by Horwitz Publications Inc Pty Ltd, Australia in 1986) which says: "The Aboriginal association with this little bird has been mainly as a source of food in drought areas when other meat is scarce. In fact, the part of the word pronounced "boodgeree" in aborigine means 'good' and the latter part 'gar' means 'food' or 'to eat'." Roxybudgy 01:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
My Grandfather was raised amongst the desert people around White Cliffs. In fact he 1st saw another white child when he was 12 years old, and he had extraordinary bush skills. He claimed that the word meant "good to eat", and I can only assume this was based on his knowledge of aboriginal languages. He passed away in 1968 so I can't really ask him now. Johnpf 04:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The only reference that comes readily to hand is from the Australian National Budgerigar Council (ANBC) Inc. “...however, it can be stated on reliable authority that the name means “good food”. Two extracts support this. In Budgerigars in the Bush and Aviary by Neville Cayley, Percy Peir is quoted as saying.....” [1] Whilst not good, this makes it stronger than just another urban legend.-- Aspro ( talk) 09:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the taxobox background color was changed from pink to green. While this may have seemed more aesthetically pleasing, the color of the taxobox is standardized based on the kingdom an organism belongs to. For animals, it's pink. Complete information is at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life/taxobox_usage. Ginkgo100 01:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I have changed some things in the article. First I ahev brough all captivity sections under one main section. Furthermore, I have grouped the general information in the lead section. Finally, I have exchanged the images so that the most natural looking is now in the taxobox, but I do feel that a image of a true wild individual would be best to illustrate the taxonomic component. KimvdLinde 02:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
In keeping with WP:EL, and in order to prevent this article from becoming a spam farm like some other articles have become in the past, I pared down the list of external links to just three. I removed links to personal sites, links to sites lacking references, a link to a copyright violation, and a link that produced huge numbers of pop-up ads. I left a comprehensive, detailed, non-commercial site that has been around for a long time and two well-referenced articles. I hope this is acceptable to other editors. -- Ginkgo100 21:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Just saying, given that albino budgies are a bit rare. Certainly not typical. I'd suggest having an image of an average, natural colours budgie (i.e. grassy green and yellow) instead, to avoid giving incorrect impressions. That's the first thing one sees when opening the page after all. — 88.112.2.159 00:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous user (who I have encouraged to formally join the project) added substantial information about the genetics of budgie color mutations. While interesting, I feel there's so much information it unbalances the article, so I am suggesting the section be split into its own article, Budgerigar genetics. What other article titles might be preferable? Does anyone agree with this? And does anyone know a published source to verify this new information? -- Ginkgo100 talk · contribs · e@ 20:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I've made a start on a series of articles that will cover the history and genetics of (some of) the colour mutations in budgerigars. They will contain some technical information, but this is useful for breeders who want to understand how to breed certain colours. As an example, see Blue Budgerigar Mutation. Please leave any further comments there. Trevor37 ( talk) 07:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
And even more than you may think. Ever read Robert Arthur's Three Investigators and the Secret of Terror Castle? Those "parakeets" referred there are indeed budgies and NO (bigger) parrots. This specialty has also been taken care of in the 1984 dramatized play by Edward Kelsey, published by Random House UK on MusiCassette. The sounds you hear on the cassette are indeed budgies' sounds, no parrots' sounds. So this article is awesome, covering a well-known U.S. misnaming. Well done folks. -andy 80.129.113.55 23:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Given that is the most common domesticated parrot and a popular pet - why is this not mentioned until about halfway down the article? GraemeLeggett 17:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Request removal of Image:Dom Dutch Budgie.jpg due to the fact that this image is hard to look at (seems like a large, hard yellow glow, and the yellow in the front of the bird lacks information), and the image adds little to the article. It seems that it really only makes the article harder on the eyes to look at. Althepal 03:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I feel this article has unnecessary images anyway. At least one is redundant, ie tells me no more than another image does. I think that only three of the photos in the article should remain. I'm going to be bold and remove the ones I don't think should be there. Change back as you see fit, and we'll talk about if you do that.
Jsc83
22:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
on page 4 of harry potter and the order of the phonix the news reporter, reports on a water skiing budgerigar.- Jason Iqbal
"Only if they are trained to and have the mini skies tied to thier feet (claw) JasonIqbal 00:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
What does this have to do with the article??
Eenyminy ( talk) 22:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
On the surface, this looked like it might be notable enough to include, but the original link is dead, and this one shows it to be a very unreliable story. I say leave it out. -- Ginkgo100 talk 00:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the section about captivity is grossly outdated and provides wrong and even harmful information and needs to be updated. Budgerigars should NEVER be kept as single pets. They are swarm animals and need fellow birds around them. Budgerigars kept single suffer have long been shown to develop both physical and psychological disablities. What's more MIRRORS should NEVER be used as toys. The birds don't recognize themselves in the mirror and think it is another bird. Because of this they will try to feed the other bird. Because the 'other bird' is only a reflection this can lead to chronic physical ailments like inflammations of the craw which can cause serious pain and even death. Hadoriel 13:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I know I'm an IP so I get limited say but Budgies may be kept alone If they are provided with regular Human contact they only need other budges if they recieve not time with humans outside their cage, so this really only applies to a bird that will leave it's cage. -A Budgie Lover. PS the what you said about the mirrors is well put though.
Birds love mirrors and shiny objects. They don't become problems until they become obsessed with them. This generally happens in greater frequency with single birds. Eenyminy ( talk) 22:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the picture of the budgerigars sitting on the conifer and trying to eat them should be removed. The reason is that most types of conifers can actually be harmful for budgerigars especially when they are still fresh or on the tree because of the resin. Information about this can be found both in common literature about budgerigars or on the web for instance at http://www.tgpa.com/Plants.html Hadoriel 09:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be mentoined, that plastic Toys and so on, can be dangerous for a budgies health, also Mirrors wich can cause Psychic damage to the Bird, especially lone kept birds. And dangerous too are the gasses of used teflon stuff like those table grills. Birds die in seconds when they breathe those gasses! — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{2}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{2}}}|contribs]]) 22:14, 9 August 2007 84.86.46.8
Eenyminy ( talk) 22:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Frankly the personality section of this article is a disgrace so I've gone ahead and made some changes. ALL current literature on budgerigars agrees that the birds should NEVER be kept single. Yet this paragraph, and in fact the article as a whole, states that it is difficult to keep budgerigars together with other of their kind. This is simply not true. It IS true that keeping two females together can result in a lot of problems but keeping only males or pairs of budgerigars generally doesn't pose any problems at all and in fact is highly recommended. Hadoriel 15:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that we should also cover the fact that while parakeets do have distinct personalities, there are some traits that almost all parakeets have-such as almost all of them being very easily scared/excitable, and so on. most people dont seem to believe that parakeets can easily get scared. The Pink Panther ( talk) 00:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I've got a reliable source right here: Parakeets by Nikki Moustaki. Here's what she has to say on the subject of single birds: " 'The single budgie does well when he has a lot of toys and gets a lot of hands-on attention from his human companions, If you're not going to be able to pay a lot of attention to your bird, consider getting two.' " Eenyminy ( talk) 22:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Seems like we have to discuss this every few months. User:Althepal left an edit summary with a very good point: the "outdoor" budgie image ( Image:Zebrabudgie.jpg) is a low quality image with "blown highlights". The "indoor" budgie image ( Image:Budgie001.jpg) is a much higher quality image. Both are photos of domesticated birds (read the image description page for zebrabudgie: it's not a wild bird). Zebrabudgie's body conformation looks a little closer to wild type, but the color looks like it might be olive, which is a mutation. Budgie001 has a bit of a "show budgie" (English budgie) look, but the colors are right. Overall, there's no reason to replace budgie001 with zebrabudgie. If you disagree, feel free to share your opinion here. -- Ginkgo100 talk 17:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Althepal has quite a WP:COI regarding this image [2]. I suggest his opinion is disregarded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.72.200.11 ( talk) 13:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I live just south of Cincinnati, Ohio USA and know that there are feral monk parakeets in my area that overwinter outside with no apparent problem. I am wondering (since budgies are so much more inexpensive than monk parrots) if I could keep a small colony of budgies in an outdoor aviary here in Cincinnati year-round; or, are budgies not tolerant of cold weather (of course allowed to acclimate- would start the outdoor aviary colony in late Spring or early Summer so that they could acclimate to Winter by the gradually lowering temps in Autumn). Are they hardy enough? Just how cold-tolerant are budgies if allowerd to acclimate? I promise that I won't attempt this if it would just be a cruel death sentence for the little budgers. Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.3.226 ( talk) 21:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)