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I think that RDC should got to the disambig page rather than here, since this doesn't seem to be the most common usage. I was looking for Remote Desktop Connection. Spalding 16:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I know these carry NYS&W livery, but are they the actual units the NYS&W used or are they just restored to look like them? Kether83 10:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I thought that a true diesel-hydraulic had hydraulic motors driving the wheels. Don't RDCs have a diesel-mechanical drive incorporating a hydraulic torque converter coupling the prime mover to the drive train? 75.82.208.152 08:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Oops, I was auto logged out. LorenzoB 08:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
This article currently says "The Hurricane Turn is the last remaining flag stop service in the U.S. [...]", yet many MBTA commuter rail branches have timetables that list an "f" next to the time, and I believe context implies that the f stands for flag stop. JNW2 09:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Two different interpretations. A true flag stop train is one that will stop anywhere you flag it down in a remote area. They still exist in Northern Ontario on three railways, AC, CP, and ONR. Also, I believe in Alaska.
R.L.Kennedy 21:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I think some clarification is in order, too; Is Budd the only manufacturer that the RDC acronym applies to, or is it a label that applies to a broader class of vehicles (basically, any diesel-powered railcar?) Worldwide, there are numerous examples of these kinds of vehicles, few of which may have been made by Budd. (void*) ( talk) 14:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, RDC is really a Budd only acronym as is Budd Car.
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00:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
The SPV-2000 currently redirects here, where it is covered by a single, short paragraph. But it really is a different model sharing as much, if not more, in common with the Amfleet and Budd Metroliner development that with the RDC. Indeed, except for both being DMUs, and both being built by Budd, the RDC line and the SPV have almost nothing in common. I believe the SPV should be split out to it's own article. While it would be stubby at first, it could easily be grown in size, something that will not happen if the model is relegated to a footnote in this article. oknazevad ( talk) 17:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Closing the loop here: I wasn't aware of this discussion but it's been done: Budd SPV-2000. Mackensen (talk) 22:51, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I used to ride what's now called the Harlem Line of Metro North out of Grand Central, through the original Brewster station, and up north to Paterson, Pawling, State Hospital...
The "Budd Cars" typically handled the run north of Brewster with us getting off one train and onto the other.
However.. I _think_, and may be misremembering, that some of the Budd Car trains actually made the whole trip to NYC.
Anyone have any info?
The other point I'm a bit vague on is that, once again, I think.. that during the whole transitional mess from NYC -> Penn Central -> MTA, there was a period where Conrail operated that division, and accordingly Conrail had possession of those Budd Cars.
Or is my mind gone?
Thanks. wiki-ny-2007 ( talk) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again wiki-ny-2007 ( talk) 17:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Crouse gives 404, but this includes the six cars which comprised the Roger Williams. I suspect that's where the 398 figure comes from. I'm hoping to consult Duke soon to see what number he gives. Incidentally, if you add up the table quantities right now it comes to 409. I haven't reviewed yet to see where the discrepancy is. Mackensen (talk) 03:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
In several places, diesel multiple unit is linked. However it's also described as a "two car" set.
If this RDC has one, or two, cars then it's a railcar but it's not a DMU. Many railcars have been arranged like this, from the pre-war German railcars onwards.
Only if it's arranged with some standardised means of control, so that an arbitrary number of powered cars can be coupled and controlled by a single driver, is it a multiple unit.
Can anyone clear this up for the RDC? Andy Dingley ( talk) 00:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Sturmovik: I don't think the Roger Williams belongs in this article. It's not a standard RDC. It's not included in any of the counts of RDCs (398 being the accepted figure). Our article Roger Williams (train) (which I haven't edited) says it was "based on" the RDC. I don't see this as any different from the Budd SPV-2000 or the New South Wales 1100 class railcar, and I'd prefer to keep the scope of the article narrow. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I merged Commonwealth Railways CB class railcar into this article in May 2016 on the grounds that it's not really a separate class; it's just a designation Commonwealth Railways adopted for three RDC-1s which were shipped overseas. This is distinct from the New South Wales 1100 class railcar; which differs in various details, was built under license, and isn't considered a "true" RDC. This merge was reverted in June by Eveninta ( talk · contribs), a new user who has no other edits which makes discussion unlikely. I'm going to reinstate the merge for now. Mackensen (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Wetzel, Walsh, and (less directly involved) Engle have all written otherwise; it was a serious attempt to evaluate how fast you could push semi-standard stock on standard track. It may have gone someplace -although, obviously, not with giant surplus turbines - but for the merger. Anmccaff ( talk) 16:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
I haven't found another good source discussing it one way or the other, so I've removed what I assume is Staufer's opinion. Mackensen (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
The article currently says:
Tokyu Car built 45 of a heavily-specialized, meter-gauge RDC design for the Taiwan Railway Administration under license from Budd.
The question concerns the gauge of track. Per the page for
Taiwan Railway Administration, their gauge is 1067 mm or 42 inches. This is 6.7 cm or about 2.4 inches wider than meter gauge. I'm not quite brave enough to edit the article on this point. The authors may have relied on a source that said meter-gauge but if so, I think the source was in error. Also, maybe, Budd's designers developed a design which, with relatively easy modifications, could be built either for meter gauge or for the gauge of the Taiwan system.
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... but I think you just removed my addition to the Budd Railroad Car page? I can see how it may sound like a press release, but I think it is actually pretty interesting information. The idea that Budd cars are being put into use, rather than retired, seems pretty significant. Perhaps you would like to write it so it sounds more appropriate for Wikipedia?
RDCs remain in service widely, and are regularly being refurbished to be put back in service. The fact that a particular owner is thinking of doing this isn't necessarily noteworthy, but if enough reasonably (i.e. "more so than me) expert writers here disagree, I'm not going to make a big deal of it. Anmccaff ( talk) 17:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I remember reading about the All Earth purchase back in August and decided against adding it here. Anmccaff is right; equipment changes hands all the time. The current "United States" section is by no means an exhaustive listing of all Budd RDC operation in that country to date, but rather meant to summarize them. I think it's premature to mention them unless this proposed commuter rail service actually develops into something. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I've removed File:Budd RDC-2 B&O 2.jpg from the infobox; I don't think it's the best choice to illustrate the RDC. In particular, the paint scheme is not accurate to what the B&O actually used. I've temporarily replaced it with File:Boston and Maine RDC 6127 on Railroad Enthusiasts fantrip at West Peabody, April 27, 1969.jpg, but there's probably a better shot out there. An ideal shot would be an RDC in service or a museum, with original livery, and preferably one of the larger users. Some possibilities:
Thoughts? Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 07:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for selecting some photos, Pi-to-the-10th-decimal. Of the ones you showed, I think Reading 9163 (RDC) Philadelphia in September 1964 (22262585688).jpg is best. It has good over-all exposure and end and bogie detail, visible passengers (plenty of them), and is leaving a busy station. In general I like to see photos of vehicles in revenue service (i.e., their "reason for being", rather than museums. My 2c. :-). SCHolar44 ( talk) 05:24, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
The Budd RDC cars listed as being owned by the Lehigh Gorge Scenic Railway are instead owned by that road's corporate owner, the Reading, Blue Mountain & Northern. Bill S. ( talk) 03:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Reading, Blue Mountain and Northern Railroad. Bill S. ( talk) 03:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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I think that RDC should got to the disambig page rather than here, since this doesn't seem to be the most common usage. I was looking for Remote Desktop Connection. Spalding 16:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I know these carry NYS&W livery, but are they the actual units the NYS&W used or are they just restored to look like them? Kether83 10:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I thought that a true diesel-hydraulic had hydraulic motors driving the wheels. Don't RDCs have a diesel-mechanical drive incorporating a hydraulic torque converter coupling the prime mover to the drive train? 75.82.208.152 08:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Oops, I was auto logged out. LorenzoB 08:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
This article currently says "The Hurricane Turn is the last remaining flag stop service in the U.S. [...]", yet many MBTA commuter rail branches have timetables that list an "f" next to the time, and I believe context implies that the f stands for flag stop. JNW2 09:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Two different interpretations. A true flag stop train is one that will stop anywhere you flag it down in a remote area. They still exist in Northern Ontario on three railways, AC, CP, and ONR. Also, I believe in Alaska.
R.L.Kennedy 21:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I think some clarification is in order, too; Is Budd the only manufacturer that the RDC acronym applies to, or is it a label that applies to a broader class of vehicles (basically, any diesel-powered railcar?) Worldwide, there are numerous examples of these kinds of vehicles, few of which may have been made by Budd. (void*) ( talk) 14:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, RDC is really a Budd only acronym as is Budd Car.
R.L.Kennedy (
talk)
00:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
The SPV-2000 currently redirects here, where it is covered by a single, short paragraph. But it really is a different model sharing as much, if not more, in common with the Amfleet and Budd Metroliner development that with the RDC. Indeed, except for both being DMUs, and both being built by Budd, the RDC line and the SPV have almost nothing in common. I believe the SPV should be split out to it's own article. While it would be stubby at first, it could easily be grown in size, something that will not happen if the model is relegated to a footnote in this article. oknazevad ( talk) 17:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Closing the loop here: I wasn't aware of this discussion but it's been done: Budd SPV-2000. Mackensen (talk) 22:51, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I used to ride what's now called the Harlem Line of Metro North out of Grand Central, through the original Brewster station, and up north to Paterson, Pawling, State Hospital...
The "Budd Cars" typically handled the run north of Brewster with us getting off one train and onto the other.
However.. I _think_, and may be misremembering, that some of the Budd Car trains actually made the whole trip to NYC.
Anyone have any info?
The other point I'm a bit vague on is that, once again, I think.. that during the whole transitional mess from NYC -> Penn Central -> MTA, there was a period where Conrail operated that division, and accordingly Conrail had possession of those Budd Cars.
Or is my mind gone?
Thanks. wiki-ny-2007 ( talk) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again wiki-ny-2007 ( talk) 17:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Crouse gives 404, but this includes the six cars which comprised the Roger Williams. I suspect that's where the 398 figure comes from. I'm hoping to consult Duke soon to see what number he gives. Incidentally, if you add up the table quantities right now it comes to 409. I haven't reviewed yet to see where the discrepancy is. Mackensen (talk) 03:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
In several places, diesel multiple unit is linked. However it's also described as a "two car" set.
If this RDC has one, or two, cars then it's a railcar but it's not a DMU. Many railcars have been arranged like this, from the pre-war German railcars onwards.
Only if it's arranged with some standardised means of control, so that an arbitrary number of powered cars can be coupled and controlled by a single driver, is it a multiple unit.
Can anyone clear this up for the RDC? Andy Dingley ( talk) 00:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Sturmovik: I don't think the Roger Williams belongs in this article. It's not a standard RDC. It's not included in any of the counts of RDCs (398 being the accepted figure). Our article Roger Williams (train) (which I haven't edited) says it was "based on" the RDC. I don't see this as any different from the Budd SPV-2000 or the New South Wales 1100 class railcar, and I'd prefer to keep the scope of the article narrow. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I merged Commonwealth Railways CB class railcar into this article in May 2016 on the grounds that it's not really a separate class; it's just a designation Commonwealth Railways adopted for three RDC-1s which were shipped overseas. This is distinct from the New South Wales 1100 class railcar; which differs in various details, was built under license, and isn't considered a "true" RDC. This merge was reverted in June by Eveninta ( talk · contribs), a new user who has no other edits which makes discussion unlikely. I'm going to reinstate the merge for now. Mackensen (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Wetzel, Walsh, and (less directly involved) Engle have all written otherwise; it was a serious attempt to evaluate how fast you could push semi-standard stock on standard track. It may have gone someplace -although, obviously, not with giant surplus turbines - but for the merger. Anmccaff ( talk) 16:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
I haven't found another good source discussing it one way or the other, so I've removed what I assume is Staufer's opinion. Mackensen (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
The article currently says:
Tokyu Car built 45 of a heavily-specialized, meter-gauge RDC design for the Taiwan Railway Administration under license from Budd.
The question concerns the gauge of track. Per the page for
Taiwan Railway Administration, their gauge is 1067 mm or 42 inches. This is 6.7 cm or about 2.4 inches wider than meter gauge. I'm not quite brave enough to edit the article on this point. The authors may have relied on a source that said meter-gauge but if so, I think the source was in error. Also, maybe, Budd's designers developed a design which, with relatively easy modifications, could be built either for meter gauge or for the gauge of the Taiwan system.
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... but I think you just removed my addition to the Budd Railroad Car page? I can see how it may sound like a press release, but I think it is actually pretty interesting information. The idea that Budd cars are being put into use, rather than retired, seems pretty significant. Perhaps you would like to write it so it sounds more appropriate for Wikipedia?
RDCs remain in service widely, and are regularly being refurbished to be put back in service. The fact that a particular owner is thinking of doing this isn't necessarily noteworthy, but if enough reasonably (i.e. "more so than me) expert writers here disagree, I'm not going to make a big deal of it. Anmccaff ( talk) 17:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I remember reading about the All Earth purchase back in August and decided against adding it here. Anmccaff is right; equipment changes hands all the time. The current "United States" section is by no means an exhaustive listing of all Budd RDC operation in that country to date, but rather meant to summarize them. I think it's premature to mention them unless this proposed commuter rail service actually develops into something. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I've removed File:Budd RDC-2 B&O 2.jpg from the infobox; I don't think it's the best choice to illustrate the RDC. In particular, the paint scheme is not accurate to what the B&O actually used. I've temporarily replaced it with File:Boston and Maine RDC 6127 on Railroad Enthusiasts fantrip at West Peabody, April 27, 1969.jpg, but there's probably a better shot out there. An ideal shot would be an RDC in service or a museum, with original livery, and preferably one of the larger users. Some possibilities:
Thoughts? Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 07:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for selecting some photos, Pi-to-the-10th-decimal. Of the ones you showed, I think Reading 9163 (RDC) Philadelphia in September 1964 (22262585688).jpg is best. It has good over-all exposure and end and bogie detail, visible passengers (plenty of them), and is leaving a busy station. In general I like to see photos of vehicles in revenue service (i.e., their "reason for being", rather than museums. My 2c. :-). SCHolar44 ( talk) 05:24, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
The Budd RDC cars listed as being owned by the Lehigh Gorge Scenic Railway are instead owned by that road's corporate owner, the Reading, Blue Mountain & Northern. Bill S. ( talk) 03:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Reading, Blue Mountain and Northern Railroad. Bill S. ( talk) 03:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)