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There is at least one image that in Wikimedia Commons that we could add. It could be placed with the section on sports. [1] Bryant & Stratton also has a long history of career training for women. I posted information about this in the article, but it was removed.01:31, 16 June 2019 (UTC) CollegeMeltdown ( talk)
The page for Bryant & Stratton College was woefully inadequate and outdated. Updated a significant amount of information that was removed by 2a02:1205:5013:cca0:e0f0:1e92:ad9:ce30 without a discussion. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 21:41, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello User CollegeMeltdown, I already got in touch with you on your user talk page. In case you haven't seen my comment, I am posting to you here: I am sure your edits on Bryant & Stratton College happened in good faith. However, there are many issues with your edits: It is honorable that you attempt to contribute as much as possible but sometimes, less is more. The vast majority of your edits are either outdated, irrelevant or both (e.g. average salaries of students, average student loan payments, popularity of majors, (old) student numbers for individual campuses etc.). Also, you should pay attention not to excessively list information (rather prose) and not majorly simply copy information from the sources. Your edits also caused errors in the reference section. This is why I will revert your edits. For further information on my reasoning, please see the following Wikipedia policies and guidelines: WP:NOTSTATS, WP:IRRELEVANT, WP:LISTDD, WP:PROSELINE, WP:EXCESSDETAIL, WP:REF, WP:COPYPASTE, WP:UNIGUIDE, WP:NOTCATALOG, WP:DISRUPT. Thanks. 2A02:1205:5013:CCA0:E0F0:1E92:AD9:CE30 ( talk) 21:34, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello User: 2A02:1205:5013:CCA0:E0F0:1E92:AD9:CE30,I disagree with your opinion that the information is "either outdated, irrelevant or both." The older page read like an outdated advertisement. College Scorecard data and information about the school in 2019 are relevant. These are the most up to date numbers from NCES and the 2011 numbers are added to show the campus population declines. The enrollment losses at ground campuses are significant and the change in ownership, from family owned to private equity owned, is significant. I also included important information on the academic programs and sports. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 21:50, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Please decide where you want to discuss: On this talk page or on your user talk page. I gave you an explanation for my reasoning on here and on your user talk page. I will revert and restore my version as per my first post to you and according to the Wiki policies and guidelines I stated in my first post and in my edit summary. 2A02:1205:5013:CCA0:E0F0:1E92:AD9:CE30 ( talk) 22:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
We should talk on this page. If all of these entries are removed, I have to wonder, what is the purpose of Wikipedia? Is it supposed to be read like an Encyclopedia Brittanica from 1960? Go ahead, and whitewash the page per Wikipedia guidelines; I can't stop you. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 22:04, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I restored this portion for documentation. Not sure where I went wrong with missing a signature. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 15:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Rather than have all of my entries removed by an anonymous source again, here are some highlights from the Bryant & Stratton story that were deleted:
Parthenon Capital Partners, a private equity firm, was an an investor in Bryant & Stratton from 2008 to 2017. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 19:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Timeline:
Faculty: Bryant & Stratton's online faculty consists of 30 full-time instructors and 407 part-time instructors. The Buffalo campus has 16 full-time instructors and 47 part-time instructors.
Student body: According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton online is 52% White, 36% Black, 6% Hispanic, 4% Two or more races, 1% American Indian/Alaska Native, and 1% Asian. Eighty one percent receive federal student loans. In 2016-17, 113 veterans used the GI Bill for the online campus and 6 servicemembers used Department of Defense Tuition Assistance for the online campus. Five veterans used GI Bill funding at the Buffalo campus in 2016-17.
Headcounts in 2017 (and 2011)
Student outcomes According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton's graduation rate ranges from 6 percent in Cleveland, Ohio to 37 percent in Amherst, New York. Average salary after attending is $24,100. Typical debt after graduation is $23,055 and the typical student loan monthly payment is $245. The student loan repayment rate is 19 percent. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 03:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
On June 17, 2019, I received an email from someone claiming to be a legal representative for Bryant & Stratton College (BSC). The person added that "We expect that you refrain from editing our institution's Wikipedia page and rectify (i.e. revert) all of your contributions by Thursday, June 20 2019, 02:00 pm EST. Should you fail to follow our request, we will take legal action."
The allegations were:
I believe I can refute each of these specific claims.
In addition, I have added a great deal of updated information about BSC. WP:Free speech CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 14:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
The legal representative for Bryant & Stratton College has given me three options before filing a class action suit against me in three days.
The lawyer adds that other parties may be involved in the lawsuit. WP:Free speech CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 18:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
There's a long list of alumni. WP:ALUMNI says:
For most of those in the list, the claim that they were/are alumni is unreferenced. I thought of marking each member of this majority with "Citation needed", but at his stage doing so seems a bit "pointy". I suggest doing this one month from now, and removing those who are still unreferenced after six months. Comments? -- Hoary ( talk) 13:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I've gone through the list. If the claim that somebody had gone to B&S (or a predecessor thereof) was referenced here, I took that claim at face value; I didn't investigate it. For every other person, I looked at his (and yes, it was uniformly his) Wikipedia page, to see if the claim was referenced. If it was referenced, and if I was able to check the reference, I added the reference to the list here. If I couldn't check the reference (because it wasn't on the web, or in one case was in Thai, which I can't read), or of course if there was no reference, I added the "Citation needed" flag to the item in the list here. I don't propose to do any more work on this; others are most welcome to do so. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Adding Shalrie Joseph to notable alumni. Joseph played soccer at the Syracuse campus prior to transferring to St. John's University and later becoming an MLS All Star. He is now the head coach of the Grenada National Team (per his wiki entry). Bryant & Stratton served as a jumping off point for his collegiate soccer career which eventually led him to professional success. He's by far the most notable athlete to compete for Bryant & Stratton. His time with Bryant & Stratton is noted in his official MLS bio here [1] Jcutender24 ( talk) 15:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
As of January, the President is David Vaden. College colors are wrong. The note on HCM is misleading because the issue was resolved in the 9/1/15 update. I'm not acting on behalf of the College, simply pointing out errors but I keep getting smacked around. ChrisK240 ( talk) 18:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I was brought here because I noticed the filing at Dispute Resolution, and after having driven by a sign for the school many times in my life, figured I might as well weigh in! In general, I support MrOllie's changes, though listing Timothy McVeigh as an alum feels...off to me. Technically true and reported, I don't dispute that, but the connection so far as I know was pretty brief and tenuous, such that it hits me the wrong way. My instinct would be that we should try to exercise a little extra caution with such widely reviled figures, and so, I would take that out of this article. As ever though, just my opinion, and happy to follow consensus. Cheers. Dumuzid ( talk) 20:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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REMOVE: "Today, there are 19 physical locations and an online education division.[18] The board chair of the school is Bryant Prentice III, great-great grandson of John Collins Bryant.[19] The current president of Bryant & Stratton is Francis J. Felser, who has a doctorate from University of Phoenix.[20] and has worked in various capacities at the school for more than 25 years.[21]"
ADD: Today, there are 17 physical locations and an Online Education division.[18] The Past Board chair of the school was Bryant Prentice III, great-great grandson of John Collins Bryant.[19] The current Chair of the Board is Dr. Marie Cini. The current President of Bryant & Stratton is David Vaden, who has a M.B.A from Columbia School of Business and a B.S from St. John Fisher University. [1] [2] President Vaden has worked in various capacities at the school for more than 13 years.
ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 21:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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REMOVE: "According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton online has an 18 percent graduation rate and a median student debt after graduation ranging from $11,400 to $51,442. Median salary after attending ranges from 17, 859 to 41,937. Six percent of student debtors were making progress with their loans. College Navigator reports an 18 percent graduation rate and a 16 percent transfer-out rate."
ADD: "Bryant and Stratton College has 17 campuses including Online Education. College Navigator reports results at the regional level.
Campus | Graduation Rate | Average Annual Cost | Median Earnings After Graduation | College Scorecard (Dept of Ed) Link |
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Albany | 34% | $10,291 | $30,246 | [1] |
Buffalo (includes Amherst, Buffalo, & Southtowns Campuses) | 30% | $12,269 | $30,246 | [2] |
Rochester (includes Greece & Henrietta Campuses) | 28% | $12,506 | $30,246 | [3] |
Online Education | 16% | $13,746 | $30,246 | [4] |
Ohio (includes Solon, Parma, & Akron Campuses) | 21% | $15,177 | $30,246 | [5] |
Syracuse (includes Syracuse & Syracuse North Campuses) | 30% | $7,349 | $30,246 | [6] |
Virginia (includes Hampton, Richmond, and Virgina Beach Campuses) | 27% | $13,174 | $30,246 | [7] |
Wisconsin (includes Wauwatosa, Bayshore, & Racine Campuses) | 20% | $14,667 | $30,246 | [8] |
ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 21:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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An unregistered editor is editing this article on behalf of the college to remove the college's for-profit status. As explicitly noted in the article, the college is still classified as a for-profit institution by the US Department of Education. The article also explicitly notes that the college is applying to be reclassified and some organizations have already approved the request. But it's dishonest to claim that the institution is simply a non-profit while the US Department of Education still classifies as for-profit. It's especially unacceptable for someone to edit war over this, without discussion, on behalf of the subject of this article. ElKevbo ( talk) 22:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The US Department of Education has approved the College's conversion to Not for Profit status. As you likely know, being invloved in Higher Education, IPEDS updates are processed annually, this update should not have to take a full update cycle of IPEDS. Do you honestly think that MSCHE would publish the status change prior to DoE? The DoE will validate the status of the College as will other sources. Navigator is not considered the only authoritative source. ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 18:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
You don’t understand, or care to take the time to understand MrOllie. There are sources. There is not one single authoritative source in this matter, there are many. ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 20:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure why an unregistered editor is edit warring to add "non-profit" to the lede of this article. Nearly all colleges and universities are non-profit so we usually omit that. Adding that information to the lede would like adding statements like "teaches classes," "enrolls students," and "employs faculty" to the lede - it's true but it's so trite and ubiquitous that it's unnecessary to explicitly state. We typically only note when an institution is a for-profit institution just as we would note anything else that is highly unusual and important for readers to know immediately. ElKevbo ( talk) 20:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
There is at least one image that in Wikimedia Commons that we could add. It could be placed with the section on sports. [1] Bryant & Stratton also has a long history of career training for women. I posted information about this in the article, but it was removed.01:31, 16 June 2019 (UTC) CollegeMeltdown ( talk)
The page for Bryant & Stratton College was woefully inadequate and outdated. Updated a significant amount of information that was removed by 2a02:1205:5013:cca0:e0f0:1e92:ad9:ce30 without a discussion. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 21:41, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello User CollegeMeltdown, I already got in touch with you on your user talk page. In case you haven't seen my comment, I am posting to you here: I am sure your edits on Bryant & Stratton College happened in good faith. However, there are many issues with your edits: It is honorable that you attempt to contribute as much as possible but sometimes, less is more. The vast majority of your edits are either outdated, irrelevant or both (e.g. average salaries of students, average student loan payments, popularity of majors, (old) student numbers for individual campuses etc.). Also, you should pay attention not to excessively list information (rather prose) and not majorly simply copy information from the sources. Your edits also caused errors in the reference section. This is why I will revert your edits. For further information on my reasoning, please see the following Wikipedia policies and guidelines: WP:NOTSTATS, WP:IRRELEVANT, WP:LISTDD, WP:PROSELINE, WP:EXCESSDETAIL, WP:REF, WP:COPYPASTE, WP:UNIGUIDE, WP:NOTCATALOG, WP:DISRUPT. Thanks. 2A02:1205:5013:CCA0:E0F0:1E92:AD9:CE30 ( talk) 21:34, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello User: 2A02:1205:5013:CCA0:E0F0:1E92:AD9:CE30,I disagree with your opinion that the information is "either outdated, irrelevant or both." The older page read like an outdated advertisement. College Scorecard data and information about the school in 2019 are relevant. These are the most up to date numbers from NCES and the 2011 numbers are added to show the campus population declines. The enrollment losses at ground campuses are significant and the change in ownership, from family owned to private equity owned, is significant. I also included important information on the academic programs and sports. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 21:50, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Please decide where you want to discuss: On this talk page or on your user talk page. I gave you an explanation for my reasoning on here and on your user talk page. I will revert and restore my version as per my first post to you and according to the Wiki policies and guidelines I stated in my first post and in my edit summary. 2A02:1205:5013:CCA0:E0F0:1E92:AD9:CE30 ( talk) 22:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
We should talk on this page. If all of these entries are removed, I have to wonder, what is the purpose of Wikipedia? Is it supposed to be read like an Encyclopedia Brittanica from 1960? Go ahead, and whitewash the page per Wikipedia guidelines; I can't stop you. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 22:04, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I restored this portion for documentation. Not sure where I went wrong with missing a signature. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 15:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Rather than have all of my entries removed by an anonymous source again, here are some highlights from the Bryant & Stratton story that were deleted:
Parthenon Capital Partners, a private equity firm, was an an investor in Bryant & Stratton from 2008 to 2017. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 19:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Timeline:
Faculty: Bryant & Stratton's online faculty consists of 30 full-time instructors and 407 part-time instructors. The Buffalo campus has 16 full-time instructors and 47 part-time instructors.
Student body: According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton online is 52% White, 36% Black, 6% Hispanic, 4% Two or more races, 1% American Indian/Alaska Native, and 1% Asian. Eighty one percent receive federal student loans. In 2016-17, 113 veterans used the GI Bill for the online campus and 6 servicemembers used Department of Defense Tuition Assistance for the online campus. Five veterans used GI Bill funding at the Buffalo campus in 2016-17.
Headcounts in 2017 (and 2011)
Student outcomes According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton's graduation rate ranges from 6 percent in Cleveland, Ohio to 37 percent in Amherst, New York. Average salary after attending is $24,100. Typical debt after graduation is $23,055 and the typical student loan monthly payment is $245. The student loan repayment rate is 19 percent. CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 03:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
On June 17, 2019, I received an email from someone claiming to be a legal representative for Bryant & Stratton College (BSC). The person added that "We expect that you refrain from editing our institution's Wikipedia page and rectify (i.e. revert) all of your contributions by Thursday, June 20 2019, 02:00 pm EST. Should you fail to follow our request, we will take legal action."
The allegations were:
I believe I can refute each of these specific claims.
In addition, I have added a great deal of updated information about BSC. WP:Free speech CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 14:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
The legal representative for Bryant & Stratton College has given me three options before filing a class action suit against me in three days.
The lawyer adds that other parties may be involved in the lawsuit. WP:Free speech CollegeMeltdown ( talk) 18:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
There's a long list of alumni. WP:ALUMNI says:
For most of those in the list, the claim that they were/are alumni is unreferenced. I thought of marking each member of this majority with "Citation needed", but at his stage doing so seems a bit "pointy". I suggest doing this one month from now, and removing those who are still unreferenced after six months. Comments? -- Hoary ( talk) 13:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I've gone through the list. If the claim that somebody had gone to B&S (or a predecessor thereof) was referenced here, I took that claim at face value; I didn't investigate it. For every other person, I looked at his (and yes, it was uniformly his) Wikipedia page, to see if the claim was referenced. If it was referenced, and if I was able to check the reference, I added the reference to the list here. If I couldn't check the reference (because it wasn't on the web, or in one case was in Thai, which I can't read), or of course if there was no reference, I added the "Citation needed" flag to the item in the list here. I don't propose to do any more work on this; others are most welcome to do so. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Adding Shalrie Joseph to notable alumni. Joseph played soccer at the Syracuse campus prior to transferring to St. John's University and later becoming an MLS All Star. He is now the head coach of the Grenada National Team (per his wiki entry). Bryant & Stratton served as a jumping off point for his collegiate soccer career which eventually led him to professional success. He's by far the most notable athlete to compete for Bryant & Stratton. His time with Bryant & Stratton is noted in his official MLS bio here [1] Jcutender24 ( talk) 15:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
As of January, the President is David Vaden. College colors are wrong. The note on HCM is misleading because the issue was resolved in the 9/1/15 update. I'm not acting on behalf of the College, simply pointing out errors but I keep getting smacked around. ChrisK240 ( talk) 18:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I was brought here because I noticed the filing at Dispute Resolution, and after having driven by a sign for the school many times in my life, figured I might as well weigh in! In general, I support MrOllie's changes, though listing Timothy McVeigh as an alum feels...off to me. Technically true and reported, I don't dispute that, but the connection so far as I know was pretty brief and tenuous, such that it hits me the wrong way. My instinct would be that we should try to exercise a little extra caution with such widely reviled figures, and so, I would take that out of this article. As ever though, just my opinion, and happy to follow consensus. Cheers. Dumuzid ( talk) 20:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
![]() | Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. [see below] |
REMOVE: "Today, there are 19 physical locations and an online education division.[18] The board chair of the school is Bryant Prentice III, great-great grandson of John Collins Bryant.[19] The current president of Bryant & Stratton is Francis J. Felser, who has a doctorate from University of Phoenix.[20] and has worked in various capacities at the school for more than 25 years.[21]"
ADD: Today, there are 17 physical locations and an Online Education division.[18] The Past Board chair of the school was Bryant Prentice III, great-great grandson of John Collins Bryant.[19] The current Chair of the Board is Dr. Marie Cini. The current President of Bryant & Stratton is David Vaden, who has a M.B.A from Columbia School of Business and a B.S from St. John Fisher University. [1] [2] President Vaden has worked in various capacities at the school for more than 13 years.
ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 21:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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REMOVE: "According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton online has an 18 percent graduation rate and a median student debt after graduation ranging from $11,400 to $51,442. Median salary after attending ranges from 17, 859 to 41,937. Six percent of student debtors were making progress with their loans. College Navigator reports an 18 percent graduation rate and a 16 percent transfer-out rate."
ADD: "Bryant and Stratton College has 17 campuses including Online Education. College Navigator reports results at the regional level.
Campus | Graduation Rate | Average Annual Cost | Median Earnings After Graduation | College Scorecard (Dept of Ed) Link |
---|---|---|---|---|
Albany | 34% | $10,291 | $30,246 | [1] |
Buffalo (includes Amherst, Buffalo, & Southtowns Campuses) | 30% | $12,269 | $30,246 | [2] |
Rochester (includes Greece & Henrietta Campuses) | 28% | $12,506 | $30,246 | [3] |
Online Education | 16% | $13,746 | $30,246 | [4] |
Ohio (includes Solon, Parma, & Akron Campuses) | 21% | $15,177 | $30,246 | [5] |
Syracuse (includes Syracuse & Syracuse North Campuses) | 30% | $7,349 | $30,246 | [6] |
Virginia (includes Hampton, Richmond, and Virgina Beach Campuses) | 27% | $13,174 | $30,246 | [7] |
Wisconsin (includes Wauwatosa, Bayshore, & Racine Campuses) | 20% | $14,667 | $30,246 | [8] |
ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 21:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
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An unregistered editor is editing this article on behalf of the college to remove the college's for-profit status. As explicitly noted in the article, the college is still classified as a for-profit institution by the US Department of Education. The article also explicitly notes that the college is applying to be reclassified and some organizations have already approved the request. But it's dishonest to claim that the institution is simply a non-profit while the US Department of Education still classifies as for-profit. It's especially unacceptable for someone to edit war over this, without discussion, on behalf of the subject of this article. ElKevbo ( talk) 22:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
The US Department of Education has approved the College's conversion to Not for Profit status. As you likely know, being invloved in Higher Education, IPEDS updates are processed annually, this update should not have to take a full update cycle of IPEDS. Do you honestly think that MSCHE would publish the status change prior to DoE? The DoE will validate the status of the College as will other sources. Navigator is not considered the only authoritative source. ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 18:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
You don’t understand, or care to take the time to understand MrOllie. There are sources. There is not one single authoritative source in this matter, there are many. ChrisKatBSC ( talk) 20:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure why an unregistered editor is edit warring to add "non-profit" to the lede of this article. Nearly all colleges and universities are non-profit so we usually omit that. Adding that information to the lede would like adding statements like "teaches classes," "enrolls students," and "employs faculty" to the lede - it's true but it's so trite and ubiquitous that it's unnecessary to explicitly state. We typically only note when an institution is a for-profit institution just as we would note anything else that is highly unusual and important for readers to know immediately. ElKevbo ( talk) 20:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)