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Don Menard: I believe there is a mistake in Mr. mattei filmography: Land of Dead (2003) was directed by Georges Romero, and not Bruno Mattei! His updated biography is available on http://www.nanarland.com/acteurs/Main.php?id_acteur=brunomattei and is more accurate than the imdb one. I have just updated it, nevertheless, given the amazing amount of names used by Mr. Mattei, his filmography can be difficult to check and there could be other mistakes.
Reply: Correction.....The Mattei film listed here is called "LAND OF DEATH", not "LAND OF THE DEAD".
Note*** THe actual title of the Mattei film is "IN THE LAND OF THE CANNIBALS". "LAND OF DEATH" was a variant title used in some countries. The Romero film was called "LAND OF THE DEAD"". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.168.166 ( talk) 23:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
A wiki member who has been spitefully deleting all of my contributions to wikipedia for several years now has deleted the Bruno Mattei filmography that was on Mattei's wikipage for years. The filmography was 100% accurate, but he deleted it simply because I was involved in posting it. The page has actually been made less informative as a result. Why does wikipedia allow such spiteful vandalism? It's nothing more than bullying, and this type of spitefulness dissuades people from contributing to wikipedia. Is there anywhere I can turn for help in restoring the filmography? Please let me know. --Frank — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 19:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
There are very few reference works on Bruno Mattei, other than either imdb (which for some reason is not considered a reliable source by wikipedia even though everyone in the world uses it daily) or personal knowledge attained through actually collecting Mattei's movies for years (which apparently counts for nothing as well.) Why not just leave the filmography up until sources are found that contradict it? It's better than nothing. Anyone who wants to see the information is being deprived now just out of spitefulness. It was on the page for years, why not just leave it there for the people who might not want to wait ten years for sources to turn up? Life is short. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 22:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
This article has been classified as a stub. It needs more sourcing especially in English and expansion as to his films. Capitalistroadster 05:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we create a separate section for the Italian titles for Mattei's films? From what I know, he has not made any films outside Italy, so we can include an extra column for the Italian title. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 21:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Since you wanted fewer titles, I was trying to include only the Italian titles that were grossly different from the international release titles. I didn't bother if it was just the same title translated in Italian. Is there room for another column? Why not just put the Italian titles under "Notes" or just double them up with the English title in the first column? I think of more importance are the films that were actually released in English speaking countries under 2 different English titles, such as Blade Violent and Women's Camp 119, etc. Those films are actually being sold on dvd and on ebay under 2 different English titles right now, such as Emanuelle Escapes from Hell, Libidomania, The Presence, Womens Camp 119, Blade Violent, Caged Women, Caligula's Perversions, Land of Death, The Real Cannibal Holocaust, Eyes Without a Face, etc.....these are all actual titles of Mattei films currently available on the internet, and they won't be on the wikipage if you don't let me put at least the few major variant titles on it. People actually currently refer to Mattei films with these alternate titles.I think those are more relevant than the Italian titles, unless the Italian title was very different from the English title. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 18:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
If you list only the Italian titles, the page won't be of use to any English speaking fans trying to collect Mattei's films. Re: Madness, that film is only called Madness in English countries, it was called Gli occhi dentro in Italy (a totally different title), which translates awkwardly as "The Eyes Inside" or "The Eyes Beneath". So I think that would be a good case for listing both titles, because they are so different. But I believe the film is being marketed somewhere in the world as "Eyes Without A Face" as well. If so, it's more likely that a fan searching for that film would come across the 2 different English titles on ebay before he'd encounter the Italian one. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 18:39, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Per discussion on the talk page of Mattei's Madness film, I'm having doubts if that new Mattei book states the release dates, or just has a copyright date next to the films. Would you be able to state specifically what it says? if it is just going saying something like "Virus (1980)", that does not really state what the source says per WP:STICKTOSOURCE. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 03:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC) It mostly lists the date in parentheses next to each title, but he reviews the films in order of their release throughout the book. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 19:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Currently, we have tried to at least find sources that state when the film was released by a specific year. However, the recent addition of the Lupi and Gordiano book as well as the Louis Paul book seem to state a year in brackets but are not really specifically stating thats the year of release. This is not uncommon, as copyright dates can be funny and that is the usual go to, but Mattei's career is weird without much reasearch in when things were released. I've added the banner in the meantime. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 19:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The so-called "countless alternative titles" I've been trying to include are mostly the original Italian titles, which you said on an earlier talk page you were thinking of adding in a special column!! I merely put them in the "Notes" column, until you decided if you wanted a separate column for them. You're the one who said adding the Italian titles was a good idea! The other few alternate titles happen to be the title under which the films are sold on DVD. You don't consider that important? I don't even see why we're doing the filmography on Mattei if you're not going to include the original Italian titles and the titles under which the films are marketed to collectors??? You act like I'm listing Belgian release titles or something equally irrelevant. Also, if you see something you don't like, be my guest in deleting it. But why do you have to erase everything I worked on the whole day in one fell swoop? Can't you just change the few items you don't agree with? That's why your actions appear so spiteful. I must have done this page three times already and you keep erasing everything. Is everything I add to the page wrong? 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 22:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Also, why delete references to Mattei's co-directing "Monster Shark" (1984) and "Porno Holocaust" (1981), and his editing D'Amato's "Eva Nera" and the 1968 Eurospy film "Goldface"?? Mattei's participation on these films is common knowledge to Mattei fans. We can just refer to the credits on the dvd's!! Also, "Zombie Creeping Flesh" is how "Hell of the Living Dead" is known in England, that's a major, major alternate title. Many British reference books ONLY refer to it as "Zombie Creeping Flesh". Yet you deleted that from the list. Why? 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 23:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not going to argue what when Dangerous Attraction was made, but if we could get a source of when the film was released from the book that would be helpful @ 68.129.15.71:. In other words, does it say when the film was released? If so, could you write the text and page number where it states this here? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 18:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
After asking the editor constantly if they can confirm whether or not the dates in the Lupi book on Mattei correspond to a release date and not getting an answer, I've decided to Be bold and remove the dates. Until we get specific years of when these films premiered, I know it is not right to suggest that the films came out at specific times. If anyone can find years when these films were first released, please add them. Until then, do not. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 12:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I added the source I spoke to you about, regarding the "back-to-back" filming of the 2 WIP films. It wasn't in the Spaghetti Nightmares book, I found the info in the actual Liner Notes to the dvd release of the film. I just wanted to show you I didn't make up the "back-to-back" thing, it is also mentioned by Mattei himself in an interview on the same dvd. Mattei actually says it himself during the interview. Again I'm sorry I forgot to add that reference earlier, but I'm still learning about reference sources, and which ones are reliable. I'm trying to follow the rules. I see what you mean about original research, you're right that it must be backed up by a reliable source.02:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 ( talk)
It's irrelevant that Mattei edited 2 Franco films? and yet you have on the page the following: "Some of the earliest films Mattei worked on included Lulu (1953) and Tua per la vita.[3] Early film work started in 1956 on Giovanni dalle Bande Nere". I have never even heard of those films. Why are they relevant if Franco's films are not? whatever... I was just trying to make Bruno's editing years seem a bit more interesting, but the info is on the filmography anyway, I suppose. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 23:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
It's interesting because it shows his progression from editing films he probably wasn't interested in, to editing horror and WIP films that would years later become cult favorites, which in turn led to him actually directing such genre films himself. It shows a progression toward the career he chose later on. The way the article is now.....it just says he was editing meaningless films like "Tua per la vita" and then all of a sudden he got into directing genre movies, which cuts out the progression his career followed. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 17:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I notice you left the titles in their correct order on the Bruno Mattei page and just wrote n/a on the ones that don't have a firm release date. Can't we do the same thing with the Umberto Lenzi filmography? If you let me, I can put them in the right order and I will leave the n/a next to each one like you have it. I saved the list I used to have on the page, so I know the order of production. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 18:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Would Mattei be chuckling 🤭 that his movie (which is a rip off?) Hell of the Living Dead has actual footage used 2020 for the new film? Lol. Julietjones74 ( talk) 18:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
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Don Menard: I believe there is a mistake in Mr. mattei filmography: Land of Dead (2003) was directed by Georges Romero, and not Bruno Mattei! His updated biography is available on http://www.nanarland.com/acteurs/Main.php?id_acteur=brunomattei and is more accurate than the imdb one. I have just updated it, nevertheless, given the amazing amount of names used by Mr. Mattei, his filmography can be difficult to check and there could be other mistakes.
Reply: Correction.....The Mattei film listed here is called "LAND OF DEATH", not "LAND OF THE DEAD".
Note*** THe actual title of the Mattei film is "IN THE LAND OF THE CANNIBALS". "LAND OF DEATH" was a variant title used in some countries. The Romero film was called "LAND OF THE DEAD"". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.168.166 ( talk) 23:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
A wiki member who has been spitefully deleting all of my contributions to wikipedia for several years now has deleted the Bruno Mattei filmography that was on Mattei's wikipage for years. The filmography was 100% accurate, but he deleted it simply because I was involved in posting it. The page has actually been made less informative as a result. Why does wikipedia allow such spiteful vandalism? It's nothing more than bullying, and this type of spitefulness dissuades people from contributing to wikipedia. Is there anywhere I can turn for help in restoring the filmography? Please let me know. --Frank — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 19:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
There are very few reference works on Bruno Mattei, other than either imdb (which for some reason is not considered a reliable source by wikipedia even though everyone in the world uses it daily) or personal knowledge attained through actually collecting Mattei's movies for years (which apparently counts for nothing as well.) Why not just leave the filmography up until sources are found that contradict it? It's better than nothing. Anyone who wants to see the information is being deprived now just out of spitefulness. It was on the page for years, why not just leave it there for the people who might not want to wait ten years for sources to turn up? Life is short. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 22:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
This article has been classified as a stub. It needs more sourcing especially in English and expansion as to his films. Capitalistroadster 05:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we create a separate section for the Italian titles for Mattei's films? From what I know, he has not made any films outside Italy, so we can include an extra column for the Italian title. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 21:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Since you wanted fewer titles, I was trying to include only the Italian titles that were grossly different from the international release titles. I didn't bother if it was just the same title translated in Italian. Is there room for another column? Why not just put the Italian titles under "Notes" or just double them up with the English title in the first column? I think of more importance are the films that were actually released in English speaking countries under 2 different English titles, such as Blade Violent and Women's Camp 119, etc. Those films are actually being sold on dvd and on ebay under 2 different English titles right now, such as Emanuelle Escapes from Hell, Libidomania, The Presence, Womens Camp 119, Blade Violent, Caged Women, Caligula's Perversions, Land of Death, The Real Cannibal Holocaust, Eyes Without a Face, etc.....these are all actual titles of Mattei films currently available on the internet, and they won't be on the wikipage if you don't let me put at least the few major variant titles on it. People actually currently refer to Mattei films with these alternate titles.I think those are more relevant than the Italian titles, unless the Italian title was very different from the English title. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 18:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
If you list only the Italian titles, the page won't be of use to any English speaking fans trying to collect Mattei's films. Re: Madness, that film is only called Madness in English countries, it was called Gli occhi dentro in Italy (a totally different title), which translates awkwardly as "The Eyes Inside" or "The Eyes Beneath". So I think that would be a good case for listing both titles, because they are so different. But I believe the film is being marketed somewhere in the world as "Eyes Without A Face" as well. If so, it's more likely that a fan searching for that film would come across the 2 different English titles on ebay before he'd encounter the Italian one. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 18:39, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Per discussion on the talk page of Mattei's Madness film, I'm having doubts if that new Mattei book states the release dates, or just has a copyright date next to the films. Would you be able to state specifically what it says? if it is just going saying something like "Virus (1980)", that does not really state what the source says per WP:STICKTOSOURCE. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 03:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC) It mostly lists the date in parentheses next to each title, but he reviews the films in order of their release throughout the book. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 19:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Currently, we have tried to at least find sources that state when the film was released by a specific year. However, the recent addition of the Lupi and Gordiano book as well as the Louis Paul book seem to state a year in brackets but are not really specifically stating thats the year of release. This is not uncommon, as copyright dates can be funny and that is the usual go to, but Mattei's career is weird without much reasearch in when things were released. I've added the banner in the meantime. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 19:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The so-called "countless alternative titles" I've been trying to include are mostly the original Italian titles, which you said on an earlier talk page you were thinking of adding in a special column!! I merely put them in the "Notes" column, until you decided if you wanted a separate column for them. You're the one who said adding the Italian titles was a good idea! The other few alternate titles happen to be the title under which the films are sold on DVD. You don't consider that important? I don't even see why we're doing the filmography on Mattei if you're not going to include the original Italian titles and the titles under which the films are marketed to collectors??? You act like I'm listing Belgian release titles or something equally irrelevant. Also, if you see something you don't like, be my guest in deleting it. But why do you have to erase everything I worked on the whole day in one fell swoop? Can't you just change the few items you don't agree with? That's why your actions appear so spiteful. I must have done this page three times already and you keep erasing everything. Is everything I add to the page wrong? 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 22:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Also, why delete references to Mattei's co-directing "Monster Shark" (1984) and "Porno Holocaust" (1981), and his editing D'Amato's "Eva Nera" and the 1968 Eurospy film "Goldface"?? Mattei's participation on these films is common knowledge to Mattei fans. We can just refer to the credits on the dvd's!! Also, "Zombie Creeping Flesh" is how "Hell of the Living Dead" is known in England, that's a major, major alternate title. Many British reference books ONLY refer to it as "Zombie Creeping Flesh". Yet you deleted that from the list. Why? 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 23:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not going to argue what when Dangerous Attraction was made, but if we could get a source of when the film was released from the book that would be helpful @ 68.129.15.71:. In other words, does it say when the film was released? If so, could you write the text and page number where it states this here? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 18:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
After asking the editor constantly if they can confirm whether or not the dates in the Lupi book on Mattei correspond to a release date and not getting an answer, I've decided to Be bold and remove the dates. Until we get specific years of when these films premiered, I know it is not right to suggest that the films came out at specific times. If anyone can find years when these films were first released, please add them. Until then, do not. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 12:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I added the source I spoke to you about, regarding the "back-to-back" filming of the 2 WIP films. It wasn't in the Spaghetti Nightmares book, I found the info in the actual Liner Notes to the dvd release of the film. I just wanted to show you I didn't make up the "back-to-back" thing, it is also mentioned by Mattei himself in an interview on the same dvd. Mattei actually says it himself during the interview. Again I'm sorry I forgot to add that reference earlier, but I'm still learning about reference sources, and which ones are reliable. I'm trying to follow the rules. I see what you mean about original research, you're right that it must be backed up by a reliable source.02:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 ( talk)
It's irrelevant that Mattei edited 2 Franco films? and yet you have on the page the following: "Some of the earliest films Mattei worked on included Lulu (1953) and Tua per la vita.[3] Early film work started in 1956 on Giovanni dalle Bande Nere". I have never even heard of those films. Why are they relevant if Franco's films are not? whatever... I was just trying to make Bruno's editing years seem a bit more interesting, but the info is on the filmography anyway, I suppose. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 23:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
It's interesting because it shows his progression from editing films he probably wasn't interested in, to editing horror and WIP films that would years later become cult favorites, which in turn led to him actually directing such genre films himself. It shows a progression toward the career he chose later on. The way the article is now.....it just says he was editing meaningless films like "Tua per la vita" and then all of a sudden he got into directing genre movies, which cuts out the progression his career followed. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 17:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I notice you left the titles in their correct order on the Bruno Mattei page and just wrote n/a on the ones that don't have a firm release date. Can't we do the same thing with the Umberto Lenzi filmography? If you let me, I can put them in the right order and I will leave the n/a next to each one like you have it. I saved the list I used to have on the page, so I know the order of production. 68.129.15.71 ( talk) 18:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Would Mattei be chuckling 🤭 that his movie (which is a rip off?) Hell of the Living Dead has actual footage used 2020 for the new film? Lol. Julietjones74 ( talk) 18:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)