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PcGomes put this on page:
"In 2015, he competed the Brazilian Championship - Long course (Maria Lenk Trophy) for Esporte Clube Pinheiros. He won the 50-metre freestyle final, beating César Cielo with a time of 21.74. In the qualifying, he repeated his best time of 21.47, which had already qualified him for the FINA World Championship in Kazan.".
I am removing these information on this page for the following reasons:
1-USELESS INFROMATION - Maria Lenk is a regional competition. Although it is the biggest competition of Brazil with the José Finkel, there are many international competitions with more importance, and often, athletes are not at its maximum at the Maria Lenk. In the case of Fratus and Cielo, their level is well above the other and they have guaranteed a place in Brazil in the 50m freestyle competition. That is, they swim the Maria Lenk to confirm the vacancy and not to beat world record, they do not swim in maximum condition them. Therefore, it is irrelevant whether the Fratus won the Cielo or otherwise, for the best mark of them is unlikely to be reached at the Maria Lenk - as has not been reached this time. It is only important to put the mark of Maria Lenk on the page, whether it was a top 3 global mark at the time, South American record, world record or something. If users start putting the Maria Lenk times to all swimmers, the pages will be full of text with little or no relevance.
2-WRONG INFORMATION - Article already states that the lifetime best of Bruno Fratus in the 50 meter freestyle is the time of 21.41 obtained in Brazilian Open in 2014. (note, also, that the Brazilian Open is as relevant as the Maria Lenk, but not it is customary to put time this competition. However, as the best brand of his life, was written in the article, becomes important). PcGomes user put that the lifetime best of Bruno Fratus was 21.47, which is a WRONG information, so.
It is not my interest retrieve information from swimming articles, I am taking this information solely because I consider IRRELEVANT, WRONG and UNNECESSARY to the article. Star Fiver ( talk) 10:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
First, I am in an effort to catalogue Fratus's seasons. The information there is about how he qualified for the World Finals. Therefore, it is reasonable to have some sentences about it. If some information is wrong, just fix it. But do not remove the complete work of another's editor work out of nothing without discussing about it first.
Moreover, the correct place to do so is here. Not on my talk page, where you and Bazaira came with a bully attitude. My literal translation of what you posted there in Portuguese follows: Go back to the crazy losers' Wikipedia, that one in Portuguese, full of retards paid by Partido dos Trabalhadores. Brazilians just know about football, and nothing else. Thus, stay quiet in your insignificance. Go edit the article about Tabajara FC, will you. If intend to make your edits respected, and want your place to remove the information, we are going to this this, here, and respectfully. Pcgomes ( talk) 13:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm waiting for the PcGomes block. He insists on mantain wrong information in the article. And he is using the administrators like puppets to do it. Bazaira ( talk) 16:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Right, I've put full protection on this page for 24 hours while you discuss here and reach consensus. @ Pcgomes: if you maintain your information is correct and relevant then explain fully why. The rest of you if you say it is not relevant or incorrect then explain why - bare statements of "it's wrong" or "it's useless" are not acceptable. Nthep ( talk) 16:31, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Nthep: User:Uruzan does look like a sock to me (per the duck test); is that not worth pointing out? — Bilorv (talk) (c) (e) 19:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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PcGomes put this on page:
"In 2015, he competed the Brazilian Championship - Long course (Maria Lenk Trophy) for Esporte Clube Pinheiros. He won the 50-metre freestyle final, beating César Cielo with a time of 21.74. In the qualifying, he repeated his best time of 21.47, which had already qualified him for the FINA World Championship in Kazan.".
I am removing these information on this page for the following reasons:
1-USELESS INFROMATION - Maria Lenk is a regional competition. Although it is the biggest competition of Brazil with the José Finkel, there are many international competitions with more importance, and often, athletes are not at its maximum at the Maria Lenk. In the case of Fratus and Cielo, their level is well above the other and they have guaranteed a place in Brazil in the 50m freestyle competition. That is, they swim the Maria Lenk to confirm the vacancy and not to beat world record, they do not swim in maximum condition them. Therefore, it is irrelevant whether the Fratus won the Cielo or otherwise, for the best mark of them is unlikely to be reached at the Maria Lenk - as has not been reached this time. It is only important to put the mark of Maria Lenk on the page, whether it was a top 3 global mark at the time, South American record, world record or something. If users start putting the Maria Lenk times to all swimmers, the pages will be full of text with little or no relevance.
2-WRONG INFORMATION - Article already states that the lifetime best of Bruno Fratus in the 50 meter freestyle is the time of 21.41 obtained in Brazilian Open in 2014. (note, also, that the Brazilian Open is as relevant as the Maria Lenk, but not it is customary to put time this competition. However, as the best brand of his life, was written in the article, becomes important). PcGomes user put that the lifetime best of Bruno Fratus was 21.47, which is a WRONG information, so.
It is not my interest retrieve information from swimming articles, I am taking this information solely because I consider IRRELEVANT, WRONG and UNNECESSARY to the article. Star Fiver ( talk) 10:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
First, I am in an effort to catalogue Fratus's seasons. The information there is about how he qualified for the World Finals. Therefore, it is reasonable to have some sentences about it. If some information is wrong, just fix it. But do not remove the complete work of another's editor work out of nothing without discussing about it first.
Moreover, the correct place to do so is here. Not on my talk page, where you and Bazaira came with a bully attitude. My literal translation of what you posted there in Portuguese follows: Go back to the crazy losers' Wikipedia, that one in Portuguese, full of retards paid by Partido dos Trabalhadores. Brazilians just know about football, and nothing else. Thus, stay quiet in your insignificance. Go edit the article about Tabajara FC, will you. If intend to make your edits respected, and want your place to remove the information, we are going to this this, here, and respectfully. Pcgomes ( talk) 13:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm waiting for the PcGomes block. He insists on mantain wrong information in the article. And he is using the administrators like puppets to do it. Bazaira ( talk) 16:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Right, I've put full protection on this page for 24 hours while you discuss here and reach consensus. @ Pcgomes: if you maintain your information is correct and relevant then explain fully why. The rest of you if you say it is not relevant or incorrect then explain why - bare statements of "it's wrong" or "it's useless" are not acceptable. Nthep ( talk) 16:31, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Nthep: User:Uruzan does look like a sock to me (per the duck test); is that not worth pointing out? — Bilorv (talk) (c) (e) 19:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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