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It appears that this article is a Wikipedia:Coatrack article? Theroadislong ( talk) 19:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Responding to this edit. (a) The current article, as it stands is remains a Wikipedia:Coatrack, which is not about any particular section of the article, but about the overall balance of the article; there are two entire sections where the subject is not even mentioned. (b) I still find it unlikely that article will be accepted into wikipedia without a complete rewrite. (c) There is no dispensation. (d) there are jurisdictions where it is academically profitable to be seen as favoring the man who struggles against the imperial genocide with the rule of law; consider this output, for example; I've already given an example above of a suggested model from this jurisdiction. (e) A COI declaration on your user page is a really good idea if you hope to make headway; you may notice one on my user page, for example. Stuartyeates ( talk) 08:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Please see "Requests for Comment" in the matter of Bruce Clark (lawyer).-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 16:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
After working through this article, I decided to look at the page history. I saw this version. At least for me, I feel that version is significantly better than the present state of the article. What are feelings for a revert back to that version, with discussions about new material occurring here on the talk page? -- Lord Roem ( talk) 22:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I and effort to move away from COI sources, I tracked down some more. Some of these I have access to, some I don't, but all appear to mention Clark.
After recent edits, a number of references appear to be being used to support claims that examination of the sources suggests they shouldn't. In particular references 1, 4 and 12. Stuartyeates ( talk) 06:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I am the subject of the article in question and have made edits to compensate for libelous commissions and omissions as previously published. In making these corrections I have referenced Official Court transcripts that are the authoritative research source on the particular and critical matters footnoted. So far as I know the transcripts are not publicly quoted elsewhere than in my own book entitled Justice in Paradise, McGill-Queen's University Press, Montreal and Kingston, 1999. My affidavit evidence is also reproduced in the book attesting to the fidelity of the quotations to the whole truth upon pain of prosecution for perjury. The transcripts speak for themselves and no opinion from the book is mentioned. As previously presented the article was sufficiently erroneous that a COI check on its author might well be in order just in case he or she has ever been, or might still be connected in some fashion to the indigenous rights industry that is constituted and funded by federal government agencies in Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand. Since I acted on behalf of Indian Tribes in bitter opposition to the allegedly usurping federally incorporated or endorsed Indian bands or "First Nations," and since those entities are mortal competitors for the indigenous interest, any such relationship with the industry could be an alternative explanation to paucity of sources and scandalous inadequacy that I have attempted to counterbalance with the most cogent evidence currently available.-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 15:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
What parts of the article do you think damage your reputation? We have a strict policy here ( Wikipedia:BLP#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy) regarding the way Wikipedia handles articles involving the biography of a living person. While I can't promise that material will be changed, if you can be clear about what you object to, that would be very helpful in moving forward. Thanks again, Lord Roem ( talk) 22:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
My apologies for reverting your edit as vandalism, it wasn't, but please don't remove references they ARE required even if duplicated. Theroadislong ( talk) 15:25, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
User:BruceAllanClark has reintroduced the Media Treatment section saying "It explains the way in which Clark's reputation was destroyed and neutrally presents both the rule and the exception to the rule of biased reporting" I don't think such a large quote belongs in the article, I don't think it explains anything very clearly and certainly doesn't look encyclopedic? Theroadislong ( talk) 11:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
It introduces a POV/essay statement. Per Wikipedia is not a forum (specifically 2.Opinion-pieces) and per No original research-Synthesis of published material that advances a position, even though this most recent edit was re-edited from a previous version (found here) by its writer BruceAllanClark, in my opinion this paragraph does not belong in this encyclopedia article since it is a conclusion/original research. It should either be deleted or sourced from a published reliable source, Wikipedia is a repository of published information, readers can draw their own conclusions just like they do when they read Encyclopedia Britannica. Shearonink ( talk) 17:35, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Now I have a different question, "How to add File:Photo of Bruce Clark on the cover of April 18, 1997 edition of Vancouver's Terminal City magazine.jpg thumb right Photo of Bruce Clark on the cover of April 18, 1997 edition of Vancouver's Terminal City magazine? I did it to see and instead appeared a text box with the File and Caption. Then I logged out and logged back in and the text box in now gone. Might anyone be able to try to guide me through this to a fuller understanding as to what if anything has happened and how to insert into the article at the Consequences to Clark.. section the April 18, 1997 magazine cover with me on it, to see? Thank you. Cheers,-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
The article appears to have now settled down, after a number of recent edits, prinicpally by the subject. I'm still concerned about the balance and referencing of the article. The issues as I see them are:
Anyone have ideas as to how to fix these? Stuartyeates ( talk) 06:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Stuart, per your original post in this thread, I am also concerned about the sheer amount of quoted content in this article. In my opinion the Law Society opinion section, the 'status of Clark's constitutional question' section and the 'Media treatment'/unpublished Master's section all contain too much quoted material. The 'media treatment' section especially troubles me, as it contains a single synthesis of quoted quotes without volume/issue/number/page/date information. Shearonink ( talk) 14:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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<ref>Bruce Clark, Ongoing Genocide caused by Judicial Suppression of the "Existing" Aboriginal Rights, Vancouver, Electromagnetic Print, 2018, ISBN 978-1717110916.<ref>
<ref>Bruce Clark, "The Sovereign Indigenous Power of Veto in Canada," Dissident Voice: A radical newspaper in the struggle for peace and justice, May 23,2019, https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/05/the-sovereign-indigenous-power-of-veto-in-canada/<ref>
I have not attempted to provide edited versions of the citations because I am not sure how.
I do not think there is a conflict of interest issue but in any event I am both the subject and the contributor. BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:26, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I forgot to include page numbers in the book's citation. There are 260. The article has 7 pages if that counts. BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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It appears that this article is a Wikipedia:Coatrack article? Theroadislong ( talk) 19:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Responding to this edit. (a) The current article, as it stands is remains a Wikipedia:Coatrack, which is not about any particular section of the article, but about the overall balance of the article; there are two entire sections where the subject is not even mentioned. (b) I still find it unlikely that article will be accepted into wikipedia without a complete rewrite. (c) There is no dispensation. (d) there are jurisdictions where it is academically profitable to be seen as favoring the man who struggles against the imperial genocide with the rule of law; consider this output, for example; I've already given an example above of a suggested model from this jurisdiction. (e) A COI declaration on your user page is a really good idea if you hope to make headway; you may notice one on my user page, for example. Stuartyeates ( talk) 08:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Please see "Requests for Comment" in the matter of Bruce Clark (lawyer).-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 16:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
After working through this article, I decided to look at the page history. I saw this version. At least for me, I feel that version is significantly better than the present state of the article. What are feelings for a revert back to that version, with discussions about new material occurring here on the talk page? -- Lord Roem ( talk) 22:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I and effort to move away from COI sources, I tracked down some more. Some of these I have access to, some I don't, but all appear to mention Clark.
After recent edits, a number of references appear to be being used to support claims that examination of the sources suggests they shouldn't. In particular references 1, 4 and 12. Stuartyeates ( talk) 06:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I am the subject of the article in question and have made edits to compensate for libelous commissions and omissions as previously published. In making these corrections I have referenced Official Court transcripts that are the authoritative research source on the particular and critical matters footnoted. So far as I know the transcripts are not publicly quoted elsewhere than in my own book entitled Justice in Paradise, McGill-Queen's University Press, Montreal and Kingston, 1999. My affidavit evidence is also reproduced in the book attesting to the fidelity of the quotations to the whole truth upon pain of prosecution for perjury. The transcripts speak for themselves and no opinion from the book is mentioned. As previously presented the article was sufficiently erroneous that a COI check on its author might well be in order just in case he or she has ever been, or might still be connected in some fashion to the indigenous rights industry that is constituted and funded by federal government agencies in Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand. Since I acted on behalf of Indian Tribes in bitter opposition to the allegedly usurping federally incorporated or endorsed Indian bands or "First Nations," and since those entities are mortal competitors for the indigenous interest, any such relationship with the industry could be an alternative explanation to paucity of sources and scandalous inadequacy that I have attempted to counterbalance with the most cogent evidence currently available.-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 15:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
What parts of the article do you think damage your reputation? We have a strict policy here ( Wikipedia:BLP#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy) regarding the way Wikipedia handles articles involving the biography of a living person. While I can't promise that material will be changed, if you can be clear about what you object to, that would be very helpful in moving forward. Thanks again, Lord Roem ( talk) 22:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
My apologies for reverting your edit as vandalism, it wasn't, but please don't remove references they ARE required even if duplicated. Theroadislong ( talk) 15:25, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
User:BruceAllanClark has reintroduced the Media Treatment section saying "It explains the way in which Clark's reputation was destroyed and neutrally presents both the rule and the exception to the rule of biased reporting" I don't think such a large quote belongs in the article, I don't think it explains anything very clearly and certainly doesn't look encyclopedic? Theroadislong ( talk) 11:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
It introduces a POV/essay statement. Per Wikipedia is not a forum (specifically 2.Opinion-pieces) and per No original research-Synthesis of published material that advances a position, even though this most recent edit was re-edited from a previous version (found here) by its writer BruceAllanClark, in my opinion this paragraph does not belong in this encyclopedia article since it is a conclusion/original research. It should either be deleted or sourced from a published reliable source, Wikipedia is a repository of published information, readers can draw their own conclusions just like they do when they read Encyclopedia Britannica. Shearonink ( talk) 17:35, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Now I have a different question, "How to add File:Photo of Bruce Clark on the cover of April 18, 1997 edition of Vancouver's Terminal City magazine.jpg thumb right Photo of Bruce Clark on the cover of April 18, 1997 edition of Vancouver's Terminal City magazine? I did it to see and instead appeared a text box with the File and Caption. Then I logged out and logged back in and the text box in now gone. Might anyone be able to try to guide me through this to a fuller understanding as to what if anything has happened and how to insert into the article at the Consequences to Clark.. section the April 18, 1997 magazine cover with me on it, to see? Thank you. Cheers,-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)-- BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
The article appears to have now settled down, after a number of recent edits, prinicpally by the subject. I'm still concerned about the balance and referencing of the article. The issues as I see them are:
Anyone have ideas as to how to fix these? Stuartyeates ( talk) 06:01, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Stuart, per your original post in this thread, I am also concerned about the sheer amount of quoted content in this article. In my opinion the Law Society opinion section, the 'status of Clark's constitutional question' section and the 'Media treatment'/unpublished Master's section all contain too much quoted material. The 'media treatment' section especially troubles me, as it contains a single synthesis of quoted quotes without volume/issue/number/page/date information. Shearonink ( talk) 14:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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<ref>Bruce Clark, Ongoing Genocide caused by Judicial Suppression of the "Existing" Aboriginal Rights, Vancouver, Electromagnetic Print, 2018, ISBN 978-1717110916.<ref>
<ref>Bruce Clark, "The Sovereign Indigenous Power of Veto in Canada," Dissident Voice: A radical newspaper in the struggle for peace and justice, May 23,2019, https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/05/the-sovereign-indigenous-power-of-veto-in-canada/<ref>
I have not attempted to provide edited versions of the citations because I am not sure how.
I do not think there is a conflict of interest issue but in any event I am both the subject and the contributor. BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:26, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I forgot to include page numbers in the book's citation. There are 260. The article has 7 pages if that counts. BruceAllanClark ( talk) 21:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)