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From the article: "In the Firefly universe (or, as they call it, "The 'Verse") ..." Who are "they"? Haakon 17:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
This seems like as good a place as any, so I may as well ask... does anybody know who coined the term 'Browncoat' as a term for Firefly fans? I think doing some digging and addressing that might be good for the article. Maybe it's just me, but the quote from Joss Whedon almost implies that he came up with it, y'know? Not that it's a bad quote or anything, but I think this is an issue at least worth asking questions about.-- MythicFox 19:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi JeffG! I just saw you reverted an article I worked on last night and have to say I was surprised you labeled it as "fannish" -- I was actually trying to change the tone to not be fannish so we could get that "tone" tag off. Wasn't sure why you said the headings were more in keeping with MOS? I'm new, so if you could point me to the place in it that I violated that would be great. I'm learning :-)
Also, I was actually trying to make the headlines more clear that there were two connotations, per the last line of the opening graph and wanted to also clarify with this opening of the first heading section "The initial connotation of the term 'Browncoats' described characters in the Firefly universe. It was slang used within the show for the Independent Faction" -- thought this more accurately described them since this "In the Firefly universe, Browncoats were soldiers who fought for the Independents" makes it sound like it was a subgroup of the Independent faction instead of a slang term for the Independents and I wanted to also clarify that it was slang used within the show, not slang used by people who watched it. What do you think? -- plange 13:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
ok i have one question, i've seen all the firefly episodes, and i never once saw the independance flag. so how do we know that that is the actual flag besides it's here. i just got kinda confused about that if you can clear it up for me i'd be thankful
peace- Three ways round 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
i did a quick image serch on google typeing in quite a few firefly related subjects and flag and couldn't come up with anything remotely simalar to that. let me know if we can find out who put it there and where they found it.
peace- Three ways round 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If it's any help, I've seen the flag used and posted on several firefly related pages. 71.255.81.144 03:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
could you tell us at least one of the sites' addresses. We need to have proof to be allowed to keep the flag up, and one of those websites could be used as a source/refrence. and we could use it pretty soon because the flag was nominated for deletion.
thanx
peace- Three ways round 15:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
i agree comepletely. I'm gonna go look to see if i can find some of these websites the person above was talking about. Also like i said in the discussion you mentioned above maybe changeing the caption to someting more talking about the 'Browncoat fans', and less about the TV Browncoats might help please some more people.
peace- Three ways round 17:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey i did a google image search for Browncoats and came up with a few hits. Only theres a catch it's a triangle, not a rectangle like the one on the page. if you Google image search ' Browncoats Triangle ' you can get a good look at a patch of it. Also Normal google searching ' Browncoats Triangle ' i found a bunch of 'official' T-Shirts and other paraphineilia with the flag (again in a triangle) on it. So i'm thinking that my idea above, about changing the caption to "the official Flag of the Browncoat Fan nation" Will probibly have more weight now. Any thoughts??
peace- Three ways round 19:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The triangular flag can be seen on Mal's arm in Serenity (the pilot). Another note is that the star in the logo should have the point facing upwards. So basically the triangle is facing downwards and the star is facing upwards. Skysong 16:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
The version on the Browncoat page conflicts markedly with the one on Wikiquote. A Google search turns up no support for the version on this page, and only three hits outside of Wikiquote itself for the construction on that site. With that little support, I'm loath to change either of the quotes, but obviously one (or both!) is wrong. Anybody know which? ShaleZero 07:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added a link to the old official Firefly board where I and poster Mother Magi first suggested the term "Brown Coats" be used for fans on October 4, 2002, predating the other cited links in this article, and predating other posts on the official board. Believe me, as my one super-lame-claim-to-fame, I have dug through that board looking for any earlier post making this suggestion, but I have yet to find one. Kelly began using the term after I had, but I don't think her old blog posts are archived to confirm it. If you do find a post predating mine please correct this page -- and also please inform me. I wouldn't want to go on living a lie, if lie it be. -- Boradis 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Was thinking we should do a section here on this DVD, what do you think? -- plange 01:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
My support was conditioned on the removal of all conventions and other fancruft, which was agreed to by other reviewers of the article. I'm going to remove it now, though I'm sure it will be back. But if it doesn't stay gone, I'll be happy to nominate this page for deletion again. -- Boradis 01:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
User Hiding has added back in an external link to Wikia, stating that it was allowable under WP:EL. Checking that site, I see that it violates several of the " Links Normally to be Avoided", specifically the following:
4) Links mainly intended to promote a website.
11) Links to
social networking sites (such as
MySpace),
discussion forums/groups (such as
Yahoo! Groups) or
USENET.
13) Links to open
wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.
No. 11 is particularly pertinent, because this Browncoat Wiki states clearly that it is intended as a social networking hub for fans of the show. The following is taken from the site's front page:
This wiki is a collaborative, living archive of Browncoat culture (fans of the sci-fi series Firefly and the movie Serenity), including activities, regional Browncoat organizations, charity events, conventions, meetups, projects, etc.
Therefore, I am removing the link. -- Boradis 10:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Forums are not considered reliable sources. They were being used to verify the following claims:
I have removed this information until appropriate sources can be found. [[ Guest9999 02:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)]]
Is this fan group really notable? Besides the protest to FOX, I can see nothing that would make it seem notable. Wouldn't this be better merged into Firefly (TV series)? Captain panda 04:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not at all obvious that this supposed group has had sufficient coverage in reliable sources to merit a standalone article. Skomorokh 06:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
There is very little information on this page. Maybe it would be more appropriate as a sub section of the Serenity film seeing as that seems to be the only claim to notability the term has. 110.32.1.105 ( talk) 14:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
This article can't tell if it's about the Browncoat faction in the fictional universe or Firefly fandom. I would submit that the latter is much more notable and thus a more appropriate subject for the article. It's appropriate to mention the in-universe Browncoats were the inspiration for the fan epithet, but otherwise, Trekkie should be our model here. -- BDD ( talk) 23:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
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From the article: "In the Firefly universe (or, as they call it, "The 'Verse") ..." Who are "they"? Haakon 17:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
This seems like as good a place as any, so I may as well ask... does anybody know who coined the term 'Browncoat' as a term for Firefly fans? I think doing some digging and addressing that might be good for the article. Maybe it's just me, but the quote from Joss Whedon almost implies that he came up with it, y'know? Not that it's a bad quote or anything, but I think this is an issue at least worth asking questions about.-- MythicFox 19:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi JeffG! I just saw you reverted an article I worked on last night and have to say I was surprised you labeled it as "fannish" -- I was actually trying to change the tone to not be fannish so we could get that "tone" tag off. Wasn't sure why you said the headings were more in keeping with MOS? I'm new, so if you could point me to the place in it that I violated that would be great. I'm learning :-)
Also, I was actually trying to make the headlines more clear that there were two connotations, per the last line of the opening graph and wanted to also clarify with this opening of the first heading section "The initial connotation of the term 'Browncoats' described characters in the Firefly universe. It was slang used within the show for the Independent Faction" -- thought this more accurately described them since this "In the Firefly universe, Browncoats were soldiers who fought for the Independents" makes it sound like it was a subgroup of the Independent faction instead of a slang term for the Independents and I wanted to also clarify that it was slang used within the show, not slang used by people who watched it. What do you think? -- plange 13:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
ok i have one question, i've seen all the firefly episodes, and i never once saw the independance flag. so how do we know that that is the actual flag besides it's here. i just got kinda confused about that if you can clear it up for me i'd be thankful
peace- Three ways round 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
i did a quick image serch on google typeing in quite a few firefly related subjects and flag and couldn't come up with anything remotely simalar to that. let me know if we can find out who put it there and where they found it.
peace- Three ways round 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If it's any help, I've seen the flag used and posted on several firefly related pages. 71.255.81.144 03:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
could you tell us at least one of the sites' addresses. We need to have proof to be allowed to keep the flag up, and one of those websites could be used as a source/refrence. and we could use it pretty soon because the flag was nominated for deletion.
thanx
peace- Three ways round 15:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
i agree comepletely. I'm gonna go look to see if i can find some of these websites the person above was talking about. Also like i said in the discussion you mentioned above maybe changeing the caption to someting more talking about the 'Browncoat fans', and less about the TV Browncoats might help please some more people.
peace- Three ways round 17:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey i did a google image search for Browncoats and came up with a few hits. Only theres a catch it's a triangle, not a rectangle like the one on the page. if you Google image search ' Browncoats Triangle ' you can get a good look at a patch of it. Also Normal google searching ' Browncoats Triangle ' i found a bunch of 'official' T-Shirts and other paraphineilia with the flag (again in a triangle) on it. So i'm thinking that my idea above, about changing the caption to "the official Flag of the Browncoat Fan nation" Will probibly have more weight now. Any thoughts??
peace- Three ways round 19:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The triangular flag can be seen on Mal's arm in Serenity (the pilot). Another note is that the star in the logo should have the point facing upwards. So basically the triangle is facing downwards and the star is facing upwards. Skysong 16:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
The version on the Browncoat page conflicts markedly with the one on Wikiquote. A Google search turns up no support for the version on this page, and only three hits outside of Wikiquote itself for the construction on that site. With that little support, I'm loath to change either of the quotes, but obviously one (or both!) is wrong. Anybody know which? ShaleZero 07:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added a link to the old official Firefly board where I and poster Mother Magi first suggested the term "Brown Coats" be used for fans on October 4, 2002, predating the other cited links in this article, and predating other posts on the official board. Believe me, as my one super-lame-claim-to-fame, I have dug through that board looking for any earlier post making this suggestion, but I have yet to find one. Kelly began using the term after I had, but I don't think her old blog posts are archived to confirm it. If you do find a post predating mine please correct this page -- and also please inform me. I wouldn't want to go on living a lie, if lie it be. -- Boradis 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Was thinking we should do a section here on this DVD, what do you think? -- plange 01:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
My support was conditioned on the removal of all conventions and other fancruft, which was agreed to by other reviewers of the article. I'm going to remove it now, though I'm sure it will be back. But if it doesn't stay gone, I'll be happy to nominate this page for deletion again. -- Boradis 01:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
User Hiding has added back in an external link to Wikia, stating that it was allowable under WP:EL. Checking that site, I see that it violates several of the " Links Normally to be Avoided", specifically the following:
4) Links mainly intended to promote a website.
11) Links to
social networking sites (such as
MySpace),
discussion forums/groups (such as
Yahoo! Groups) or
USENET.
13) Links to open
wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.
No. 11 is particularly pertinent, because this Browncoat Wiki states clearly that it is intended as a social networking hub for fans of the show. The following is taken from the site's front page:
This wiki is a collaborative, living archive of Browncoat culture (fans of the sci-fi series Firefly and the movie Serenity), including activities, regional Browncoat organizations, charity events, conventions, meetups, projects, etc.
Therefore, I am removing the link. -- Boradis 10:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Forums are not considered reliable sources. They were being used to verify the following claims:
I have removed this information until appropriate sources can be found. [[ Guest9999 02:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)]]
Is this fan group really notable? Besides the protest to FOX, I can see nothing that would make it seem notable. Wouldn't this be better merged into Firefly (TV series)? Captain panda 04:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not at all obvious that this supposed group has had sufficient coverage in reliable sources to merit a standalone article. Skomorokh 06:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
There is very little information on this page. Maybe it would be more appropriate as a sub section of the Serenity film seeing as that seems to be the only claim to notability the term has. 110.32.1.105 ( talk) 14:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
This article can't tell if it's about the Browncoat faction in the fictional universe or Firefly fandom. I would submit that the latter is much more notable and thus a more appropriate subject for the article. It's appropriate to mention the in-universe Browncoats were the inspiration for the fan epithet, but otherwise, Trekkie should be our model here. -- BDD ( talk) 23:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)