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Is this for real - didn't the Times just print an April fool too early? I can't find any other reference to it. -- JBellis 14:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
This whole page is absolute rubbish. There are no references that can backup this phrase. This is just relief rainfall in highland areas. The whole page needs to be deleted SuzanneKn ( talk) 21:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
For the doubters, here is the text of the original article by Jeremy Plester, published in The Times on 30th March 2006
THE Brown Willy effect was is full swing on Monday evening. This effect, named after its starting point on Bodmin Moor, describes a very thin line of showers which develops over the moor and then streams northeastwards up to the Midlands. On Monday, with a strong southwesterly wind blowing, the effect appeared in all its glory. Rarely more than a few miles across, one continuous shower stretched from Brown Willy, across Dartmoor, the Somerset levels and up towards Burford in Gloucestershire � about 145 miles.
When winds roar in from the Atlantic and up on to the West Country moors, all the friction from the hills, trees, fields and hedges slows the wind down and makes the wind on the South Coast turn towards the North Coast and vice versa. These winds, now blowing towards each other, force shower clouds into the sky across central Cornwall. They then stream northeast. In addition, the high ground across the moors adds to the lift of the cloud and intensifies the rain. Such events can produce huge amounts of rain and ferocious thunderstorms for long periods of time if the wind stays in the same direction but as soon as the wind out in the Atlantic changes direction, the convergence is lost and the showers rapidly die out. A similar effect produced the devastating floods in Boscastle in 2004.
Portnadler ( talk) 13:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
A freedom of information request has gone in to the Met Office:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/brown_willy_effect
Watch this space.
(I hope it stays up there. The admins on that site don't seem to like me so I hope they don't delete it, as the response should be informative.)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Foggy Masawan ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: Not moved - existing name does look verifiable now L293D ( ☎ • ✎) 18:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Brown Willy effect → Peninsular convergence – Existing name is not verifiable.
In addition to informing the article creator ( User:Portnadler), I have now mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Meteorology#requested_move_at_Talk:Brown_Willy_effect. Please feel free to mention it anywhere else that might be helpful, but please also mention any such notifications here, as advised at Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate_notification. -- Money money tickle parsnip ( talk) 05:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
It seems that the
response to the above mentioned Freedom of Information request (from 2016) states that the Met Office's reports into the causes of the Boscastle floods do not reference the effect, and that the term does not appear in the Meteorological Glossary provided by the Met Office. The only reference linked from this article that I can inspect (the others being behind a paywall) mentions the convergence effect but does not contain any reference to the name "Brown Willy effect". There are comments above in the talk page to the effect that there might have been some reference to it in a newspaper, but nothing that can be found now, and if it was a recognised term in the scientific literature then web searches ought to find at least the relevant abstracts. I propose to move this article to
Peninsular convergence (which does seem to be a valid term, see e.g.
this video from the Met Office) and to edit out any references to the name "Brown Willy effect". I don't mind leaving a redirect at the existing title in case it is helpful to people (it is now a plausible misnomer given that this article has been around for many years, so it appears in Google searches), but to actually mention the term in the article seems to violate the verifiability policy.
Money money tickle parsnip (
talk)
06:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Just noting (as the requestor) that I am about to take another enforced wikibreak. See you, -- Money money tickle parsnip ( talk) 20:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Is this for real - didn't the Times just print an April fool too early? I can't find any other reference to it. -- JBellis 14:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
This whole page is absolute rubbish. There are no references that can backup this phrase. This is just relief rainfall in highland areas. The whole page needs to be deleted SuzanneKn ( talk) 21:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
For the doubters, here is the text of the original article by Jeremy Plester, published in The Times on 30th March 2006
THE Brown Willy effect was is full swing on Monday evening. This effect, named after its starting point on Bodmin Moor, describes a very thin line of showers which develops over the moor and then streams northeastwards up to the Midlands. On Monday, with a strong southwesterly wind blowing, the effect appeared in all its glory. Rarely more than a few miles across, one continuous shower stretched from Brown Willy, across Dartmoor, the Somerset levels and up towards Burford in Gloucestershire � about 145 miles.
When winds roar in from the Atlantic and up on to the West Country moors, all the friction from the hills, trees, fields and hedges slows the wind down and makes the wind on the South Coast turn towards the North Coast and vice versa. These winds, now blowing towards each other, force shower clouds into the sky across central Cornwall. They then stream northeast. In addition, the high ground across the moors adds to the lift of the cloud and intensifies the rain. Such events can produce huge amounts of rain and ferocious thunderstorms for long periods of time if the wind stays in the same direction but as soon as the wind out in the Atlantic changes direction, the convergence is lost and the showers rapidly die out. A similar effect produced the devastating floods in Boscastle in 2004.
Portnadler ( talk) 13:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
A freedom of information request has gone in to the Met Office:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/brown_willy_effect
Watch this space.
(I hope it stays up there. The admins on that site don't seem to like me so I hope they don't delete it, as the response should be informative.)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Foggy Masawan ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: Not moved - existing name does look verifiable now L293D ( ☎ • ✎) 18:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Brown Willy effect → Peninsular convergence – Existing name is not verifiable.
In addition to informing the article creator ( User:Portnadler), I have now mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Meteorology#requested_move_at_Talk:Brown_Willy_effect. Please feel free to mention it anywhere else that might be helpful, but please also mention any such notifications here, as advised at Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate_notification. -- Money money tickle parsnip ( talk) 05:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
It seems that the
response to the above mentioned Freedom of Information request (from 2016) states that the Met Office's reports into the causes of the Boscastle floods do not reference the effect, and that the term does not appear in the Meteorological Glossary provided by the Met Office. The only reference linked from this article that I can inspect (the others being behind a paywall) mentions the convergence effect but does not contain any reference to the name "Brown Willy effect". There are comments above in the talk page to the effect that there might have been some reference to it in a newspaper, but nothing that can be found now, and if it was a recognised term in the scientific literature then web searches ought to find at least the relevant abstracts. I propose to move this article to
Peninsular convergence (which does seem to be a valid term, see e.g.
this video from the Met Office) and to edit out any references to the name "Brown Willy effect". I don't mind leaving a redirect at the existing title in case it is helpful to people (it is now a plausible misnomer given that this article has been around for many years, so it appears in Google searches), but to actually mention the term in the article seems to violate the verifiability policy.
Money money tickle parsnip (
talk)
06:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Just noting (as the requestor) that I am about to take another enforced wikibreak. See you, -- Money money tickle parsnip ( talk) 20:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)