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What was their father's original name? RickK 03:22, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I am backing you up. I will add the copy violation text. Noirdame 09:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Go for it. I think you should keep some text that is just raw information, though. 66.229.182.113 00:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The accent over the 'e' in 'Brontë' indicates that it's not really English cuz there aren't any accents in English, so where exactly does the name 'Brontë' come from? ~Sushi 04:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
He (Mr.Brunty, Punty or Prunty) was the son of a foundling from England, so his nationality is up for discussion - by the way you are only a 'traitor' if you denounce others, not yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.215.8 ( talk) 16:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
The notorious book of Gaskell should not be called a biography. Gaskell had no idea what a biography really is. What she wrote is just a cumulation of gossip. If you want to be informed about the Brontës, reading Juliet Barkers book ist a MUST! Sorry for expressing myself in such a dictatorial way, but as the Oxford Companion to Englisch Literature states, there are "many legends but few certainties" especially about Emily.
You're invited to visit the page Les Brontë in the French version of Wikipedia. Your comments will be most welcome in its talk page. Please express your views in English. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.254.240.183 ( talk) 23:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The Bronte sisters were said in Scientific American to have died of tuberculosis, anyone can verify and include references to that? 24.184.234.24 ( talk) 23:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)LeucineZipper
Since the only ref given (forvo.com) gives both "Brontee" and "Brontay", I've edited each Brontë article to include both pronunciations. ( Brontë, Anne Brontë, Charlotte Brontë, Emily Brontë and Branwell Brontë.) If anyone can find a source showing one or the other to be correct, feel free to remove the wrong one. Lfh ( talk) 15:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I will be working on translating relevant parts from the French Wikipedia featured article for embedding in this article. To keep everything together, please only discuss this work on its associated talk page. The work in progress is here:
User:Kudpung/Brontë translation, please feel free to use any English text that I will have completed. Please be gentle with your criticisms - I am not a scholar of these works by the Brontes. As soon as the first of any of the translations have been used, please put this template on the top of this talk page: {{Translated|fr|Les Brontë}} Thanks for you help in moving this important article forward. --
Kudpung (
talk) 03:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)}}
Done -- Kudpung ( talk) 14:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Origin of the name Bronte at the start with much content given to the country the father disowned with all his heart? Perhaps we should edit many of the Irish entries with their English/British origins and stick them right at the start of the article? Twobells ( talk) 20:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
The translation has been done and the content of the original English article has been included. The French article was significantly longer than is recommended for the en.Wiki and some material has been split off to sub 'main article' pages while others, namely main pages for the members of the family, are being prepared in my user space. -- Kudpung ( talk) 14:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Some parts of the article might be stored temporarily in the Talk:Brontë/article workshop while they are undergoing a major edit or rewrite.
The structure of this article is quite bizarre, it jumps about and frequently repeats itself. I really dont think it necessary to have two separate sections on each of the sisters. Also the section headings are more like an essay than an encyclopedic article. I'll think about it.-- J3Mrs ( talk) 19:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The article has now been edited, wikified, made clearer, terser in style, the flowery bits have been deleted, with added references and fewer notes. The structure has been changed (it was previously designed so as to ensure that each section is autonomous), the repetitions deleted, all reiteration avoided.
You might wish to have a look at the cluster of articles on the Brownings,
Robert Browning and corollaries (including
Elizabeth Barrett Browning).
Robert Ferrieux
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I can see that a lot of work has been done on this article by a few different editors, but unfortunately it's not at GA standard yet. There are quite a lot of uncited portions and some parts border on original research. I see that work has been done to translate from the French article. I'm not sure if it's that, or the number of different editors working on this over time, but the whole article could use a thorough copyedit from an uninvolved editor to bring the prose together. Some specific examples of issues:
I could go on, but basically, I think the whoe thing needs a thorough copyedit, more references need to be added and the structure may need some work. To be honest, I don't have any bright ideas regarding the structure, but it does seem to go back and forth a bit. For example, the lives of individual children are discussed near the beginning, and then again later. I thought Branwell had been written off in two sentences, only to find a better developed section on him later.
Unfortunately there is just too much work to be done to list the article as a good article at this time.-- Beloved Freak 22:43, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Can I suggest replacing the picture of King's College, Cambridge next to the section on Patrick Bronte with a picture of John's, that being the college he actually attended? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkbeast ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I request that this article be semi-protected due to the recent multiple attempts of vandalism from unregistered users. It is also a feasible method to curb vandalism on this page as more than one ip address has been detected to have been vandalising. Orangewarning ( talk) 13:59, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Some of the headers here aren't neutral and are not encyclopedia languages, but rather languages from books' reviews.
For example:
5.2.1 1847, a bountiful year 5.2.2 Jane Eyre and the end of anonymity 5.2.3 The powerful winds of Wuthering Heights 5.2.4 1848, Anne's The Tenant of Wildfell Hall — one of the first sustained feminist novels — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.251.0.39 ( talk) 19:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
The brightly coloured image that was at the head of this page looked as if it had an automatic digital colour enhancement done on it. This almost never works on paintings. In this case the image,which is very muted, was made very brightly coloured.
The other adjustment that has been made is the digital blocking out of two fold marks which caused serious paint loss. While the restoration of the damage might be deemed acceptable, changing the colouration of the picture to that extent is not. Amandajm ( talk) 13:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I've found a source for the pronunciation of the surname Brontë, from Merriam Webster's Encyclopedia of Literature. To quote from the Explanatory Notes:
The book then goes on to list BronTEE as the author's pronunciation, but commonly pronounced by others as BronTAY.
This source is available on Google Books, so anyone can check it online. DORC ( talk) 18:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
On seeing a TV Program on the Bronte Family. I have some points of view:
The brother I believe, painted himself as a spirit image and seeing himself being detached from his sisters. In researching death patterns for another of years. The Bronte Sisters indicated two of the girls left life of their own choosing. Charlotte's pattern indicates her death was a spontaneous self choice, brought on by her illness knowing there was no cure. Emily's pattern though is indicative of people who die from an incurable illness and reflects deaths in hospitals if not at home. Anne with her illness decided that a direct suicide was her way to leave. Their brother, Patrick. Was taken out of life having completed the task of his birth.
It is also my belief he was the father of the girls in their past life and caused their deaths, including his own. With unfinished task of that time, there re-enterd physical life in the 19th Century to complete the remain life task. They I feel, were very much aware of why they were here and who they were. With their brother seeing himself as an energy to assits his sisters retain their ageing and rolls. felt a detachment with them. Hence, the so called, painted him self out of the painting. To me that means he was there, but not as a part of their life.
Charlotte, was a non-return spirit. Emily and Anne were died about five moths from their birthdays. Brownbearwolf ( talk) 04:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be some confusion in the article over the Daphne du Maurier book.
The bibliography entry in question is -
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)This gives a year of 1987 but the ISBN specified points to a 1972 date. There are a few short references to this entry but there are also a couple of entries in the references that point to 1986 and the body of the article also mentions 1986.
What date should be used and to which edition do the pages quoted refer to? Keith D ( talk) 00:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I can understand if the author's pronunciation of his or her name differs from the standard pronuciation say Paul Giamatti pronounces his last name "Jee-ah-maw-tee while in Italy it would be pronunced " Juh-maw-tee" you would note the Italian pronunciation and his preferred pronunciation. But I don't see the purpose of noting people's mispronunciation of a name, such as in the case of the Brontës where it isn't "their" pronunciation, it's the correct pronunciation. See the "e"? It looks like this:ë The reason for the two dots is to show that the e should be pronounced like in the name Chloë. It would be pronunced "Klowee" not "Klow." Why enshrine a mispronunciation? Isn't an encyclopedia supposed to provide facts, not "common" mistakes? NapoleonX ( talk) 23:47, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
This article is partly translated from an earlier version of its French counterpart. Unfortumately, the relevant sources have been left out. No wonder it may appear as a personal interpretation. The French article is not: every statement is backed by a reliable source. Robert Ferrieux ( talk) 11:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
The citations in the article states that the museum is the second most visited literary site in the world - but the visitor numbers for 2017 were around 88,000 ( Bronte museum visitor numbers on the rise again, Keighley News, 4 May 2018), but this is far less than some others in the UK - Burn's Birthplace Museum, 164,000 ( 2017 Visitor Figures, Association of Leading Visitor Attractions) - and Hill Top, the home of Beatrix potter, 119,000 ( Visitor attraction numbers cumbriatourism.org) - even if it was the second most visited at one time the citations seem outdated as other sites now have many more visitors, because of this I have changed this statement to remove puffery and give a more precise number. EdwardUK ( talk) 21:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Is it "elementary power" or elemental that is meant here? Rwood128 ( talk) 22:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Why is there the date "1830–1852" in the section title "Origin of the name 1830–1852" ?
2001:171B:2274:7C21:4DB1:59B1:E6FC:7A9 ( talk) 12:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, this is the introductory section on "Literary and artistic influence": "These fictional worlds were the product of fertile imagination fed by reading, discussion, and a passion for literature. Far from suffering from the negative influences that never left them and which were reflected in the works of their later, more mature years, the Brontë children absorbed them with open arms." What are these negative influences? Reading, discussion, and a passion for literature? I struggle to find any actual information in the second sentence. Can it be clarified? T 84.208.65.62 ( talk) 21:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
This article used to have a list of all their novels and who wrote them. Is there a particular reason it has been removed? It's a bit of an ordeal searching through this article to see who wrote what. I'd like to bring the list back. Richard75 ( talk) 20:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on this subject at Talk:Constantin Héger to which you might wish to contribute. Masato.harada ( talk) 16:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Brontë family was a Language and literature good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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What was their father's original name? RickK 03:22, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I am backing you up. I will add the copy violation text. Noirdame 09:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Go for it. I think you should keep some text that is just raw information, though. 66.229.182.113 00:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The accent over the 'e' in 'Brontë' indicates that it's not really English cuz there aren't any accents in English, so where exactly does the name 'Brontë' come from? ~Sushi 04:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
He (Mr.Brunty, Punty or Prunty) was the son of a foundling from England, so his nationality is up for discussion - by the way you are only a 'traitor' if you denounce others, not yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.215.8 ( talk) 16:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
The notorious book of Gaskell should not be called a biography. Gaskell had no idea what a biography really is. What she wrote is just a cumulation of gossip. If you want to be informed about the Brontës, reading Juliet Barkers book ist a MUST! Sorry for expressing myself in such a dictatorial way, but as the Oxford Companion to Englisch Literature states, there are "many legends but few certainties" especially about Emily.
You're invited to visit the page Les Brontë in the French version of Wikipedia. Your comments will be most welcome in its talk page. Please express your views in English. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.254.240.183 ( talk) 23:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The Bronte sisters were said in Scientific American to have died of tuberculosis, anyone can verify and include references to that? 24.184.234.24 ( talk) 23:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)LeucineZipper
Since the only ref given (forvo.com) gives both "Brontee" and "Brontay", I've edited each Brontë article to include both pronunciations. ( Brontë, Anne Brontë, Charlotte Brontë, Emily Brontë and Branwell Brontë.) If anyone can find a source showing one or the other to be correct, feel free to remove the wrong one. Lfh ( talk) 15:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I will be working on translating relevant parts from the French Wikipedia featured article for embedding in this article. To keep everything together, please only discuss this work on its associated talk page. The work in progress is here:
User:Kudpung/Brontë translation, please feel free to use any English text that I will have completed. Please be gentle with your criticisms - I am not a scholar of these works by the Brontes. As soon as the first of any of the translations have been used, please put this template on the top of this talk page: {{Translated|fr|Les Brontë}} Thanks for you help in moving this important article forward. --
Kudpung (
talk) 03:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)}}
Done -- Kudpung ( talk) 14:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Origin of the name Bronte at the start with much content given to the country the father disowned with all his heart? Perhaps we should edit many of the Irish entries with their English/British origins and stick them right at the start of the article? Twobells ( talk) 20:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
The translation has been done and the content of the original English article has been included. The French article was significantly longer than is recommended for the en.Wiki and some material has been split off to sub 'main article' pages while others, namely main pages for the members of the family, are being prepared in my user space. -- Kudpung ( talk) 14:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Some parts of the article might be stored temporarily in the Talk:Brontë/article workshop while they are undergoing a major edit or rewrite.
The structure of this article is quite bizarre, it jumps about and frequently repeats itself. I really dont think it necessary to have two separate sections on each of the sisters. Also the section headings are more like an essay than an encyclopedic article. I'll think about it.-- J3Mrs ( talk) 19:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The article has now been edited, wikified, made clearer, terser in style, the flowery bits have been deleted, with added references and fewer notes. The structure has been changed (it was previously designed so as to ensure that each section is autonomous), the repetitions deleted, all reiteration avoided.
You might wish to have a look at the cluster of articles on the Brownings,
Robert Browning and corollaries (including
Elizabeth Barrett Browning).
Robert Ferrieux
Robert Ferrieux (
talk) 03:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Beloved Freak 21:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I can see that a lot of work has been done on this article by a few different editors, but unfortunately it's not at GA standard yet. There are quite a lot of uncited portions and some parts border on original research. I see that work has been done to translate from the French article. I'm not sure if it's that, or the number of different editors working on this over time, but the whole article could use a thorough copyedit from an uninvolved editor to bring the prose together. Some specific examples of issues:
I could go on, but basically, I think the whoe thing needs a thorough copyedit, more references need to be added and the structure may need some work. To be honest, I don't have any bright ideas regarding the structure, but it does seem to go back and forth a bit. For example, the lives of individual children are discussed near the beginning, and then again later. I thought Branwell had been written off in two sentences, only to find a better developed section on him later.
Unfortunately there is just too much work to be done to list the article as a good article at this time.-- Beloved Freak 22:43, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Can I suggest replacing the picture of King's College, Cambridge next to the section on Patrick Bronte with a picture of John's, that being the college he actually attended? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkbeast ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I request that this article be semi-protected due to the recent multiple attempts of vandalism from unregistered users. It is also a feasible method to curb vandalism on this page as more than one ip address has been detected to have been vandalising. Orangewarning ( talk) 13:59, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Some of the headers here aren't neutral and are not encyclopedia languages, but rather languages from books' reviews.
For example:
5.2.1 1847, a bountiful year 5.2.2 Jane Eyre and the end of anonymity 5.2.3 The powerful winds of Wuthering Heights 5.2.4 1848, Anne's The Tenant of Wildfell Hall — one of the first sustained feminist novels — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.251.0.39 ( talk) 19:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
The brightly coloured image that was at the head of this page looked as if it had an automatic digital colour enhancement done on it. This almost never works on paintings. In this case the image,which is very muted, was made very brightly coloured.
The other adjustment that has been made is the digital blocking out of two fold marks which caused serious paint loss. While the restoration of the damage might be deemed acceptable, changing the colouration of the picture to that extent is not. Amandajm ( talk) 13:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I've found a source for the pronunciation of the surname Brontë, from Merriam Webster's Encyclopedia of Literature. To quote from the Explanatory Notes:
The book then goes on to list BronTEE as the author's pronunciation, but commonly pronounced by others as BronTAY.
This source is available on Google Books, so anyone can check it online. DORC ( talk) 18:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
On seeing a TV Program on the Bronte Family. I have some points of view:
The brother I believe, painted himself as a spirit image and seeing himself being detached from his sisters. In researching death patterns for another of years. The Bronte Sisters indicated two of the girls left life of their own choosing. Charlotte's pattern indicates her death was a spontaneous self choice, brought on by her illness knowing there was no cure. Emily's pattern though is indicative of people who die from an incurable illness and reflects deaths in hospitals if not at home. Anne with her illness decided that a direct suicide was her way to leave. Their brother, Patrick. Was taken out of life having completed the task of his birth.
It is also my belief he was the father of the girls in their past life and caused their deaths, including his own. With unfinished task of that time, there re-enterd physical life in the 19th Century to complete the remain life task. They I feel, were very much aware of why they were here and who they were. With their brother seeing himself as an energy to assits his sisters retain their ageing and rolls. felt a detachment with them. Hence, the so called, painted him self out of the painting. To me that means he was there, but not as a part of their life.
Charlotte, was a non-return spirit. Emily and Anne were died about five moths from their birthdays. Brownbearwolf ( talk) 04:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be some confusion in the article over the Daphne du Maurier book.
The bibliography entry in question is -
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)This gives a year of 1987 but the ISBN specified points to a 1972 date. There are a few short references to this entry but there are also a couple of entries in the references that point to 1986 and the body of the article also mentions 1986.
What date should be used and to which edition do the pages quoted refer to? Keith D ( talk) 00:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I can understand if the author's pronunciation of his or her name differs from the standard pronuciation say Paul Giamatti pronounces his last name "Jee-ah-maw-tee while in Italy it would be pronunced " Juh-maw-tee" you would note the Italian pronunciation and his preferred pronunciation. But I don't see the purpose of noting people's mispronunciation of a name, such as in the case of the Brontës where it isn't "their" pronunciation, it's the correct pronunciation. See the "e"? It looks like this:ë The reason for the two dots is to show that the e should be pronounced like in the name Chloë. It would be pronunced "Klowee" not "Klow." Why enshrine a mispronunciation? Isn't an encyclopedia supposed to provide facts, not "common" mistakes? NapoleonX ( talk) 23:47, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
This article is partly translated from an earlier version of its French counterpart. Unfortumately, the relevant sources have been left out. No wonder it may appear as a personal interpretation. The French article is not: every statement is backed by a reliable source. Robert Ferrieux ( talk) 11:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
The citations in the article states that the museum is the second most visited literary site in the world - but the visitor numbers for 2017 were around 88,000 ( Bronte museum visitor numbers on the rise again, Keighley News, 4 May 2018), but this is far less than some others in the UK - Burn's Birthplace Museum, 164,000 ( 2017 Visitor Figures, Association of Leading Visitor Attractions) - and Hill Top, the home of Beatrix potter, 119,000 ( Visitor attraction numbers cumbriatourism.org) - even if it was the second most visited at one time the citations seem outdated as other sites now have many more visitors, because of this I have changed this statement to remove puffery and give a more precise number. EdwardUK ( talk) 21:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Is it "elementary power" or elemental that is meant here? Rwood128 ( talk) 22:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Why is there the date "1830–1852" in the section title "Origin of the name 1830–1852" ?
2001:171B:2274:7C21:4DB1:59B1:E6FC:7A9 ( talk) 12:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, this is the introductory section on "Literary and artistic influence": "These fictional worlds were the product of fertile imagination fed by reading, discussion, and a passion for literature. Far from suffering from the negative influences that never left them and which were reflected in the works of their later, more mature years, the Brontë children absorbed them with open arms." What are these negative influences? Reading, discussion, and a passion for literature? I struggle to find any actual information in the second sentence. Can it be clarified? T 84.208.65.62 ( talk) 21:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
This article used to have a list of all their novels and who wrote them. Is there a particular reason it has been removed? It's a bit of an ordeal searching through this article to see who wrote what. I'd like to bring the list back. Richard75 ( talk) 20:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on this subject at Talk:Constantin Héger to which you might wish to contribute. Masato.harada ( talk) 16:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)