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The article states: "None of the steel helmets introduced during the World War I era were intended to protect against bullets." In reality:
"The American helmet was a slightly modified version of the British MkI helmet. The helmet was made of 13 percent pressed manganese steel alloy, 0.035 inch thick, and could be ruptured only by a blow of 1,600 pounds or more. The British helmet had twice the ballistic strength of the French helmet. The helmets of British design produced in the United States had an overall ballistic strength 10 percent greater than that of the original British helmet. The ballistics specifications of the M1917 helmet required it to resist penetration by a 230-grain caliber .45 bullet with a velocity of 600 f.p.s. " [ Chptr XI, pg 642, 'WOUND BALLISTICS', Medical Department of the US Army, http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/woundblstcs/chapter11.htm]
Suggest revising the text to: - highlight the differences in manufacture and strength of the US M1917 as compared to the UK Mk1 - identify the required protection capabilities in regard to the .45 cal. - Revise the initial statement to read "None of the steel helmets introduced during the World War I era were intended to protect against bullets fired from typical battle rifles of the era." 67.181.60.83 ( talk) 07:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
There's no doubt that the current version of the article is, in Wikipedia terms, correct as it is supported by a book reference; my amendment [1] was wrong. I'm reminded of poor Cinderella who, thanks to an early mistranslation, was condemned to dance the night away in a glass slipper (pantoufle de verre) rather than a fur slipper (vair). The serious point: is there any chance that the poor mediaeval infantryman, going into battle with an iron chapel (chapel) on his head has suffered from a similar mistranslation at some stage — le chapeau (hat) for la chapelle?-- 217.155.32.221 ( talk) 09:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Brodie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.127.247 ( talk) 20:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I feel that if mention is to be made of the French "skullcap" helmet that preceded the Brodie (and the Adrian) then the German equivalent, the Gaede, should also be acknowledged en passant. Hengistmate ( talk) 23:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I have pulled this together a little. The chronology leapfrogs somewhat, so I've tried to accommodate that. It is actually rather complicated by the Type B, which wasn't a developmental stage, more of a dead-end, but this will have to do for now. Hengistmate ( talk) 13:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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The article states: "None of the steel helmets introduced during the World War I era were intended to protect against bullets." In reality:
"The American helmet was a slightly modified version of the British MkI helmet. The helmet was made of 13 percent pressed manganese steel alloy, 0.035 inch thick, and could be ruptured only by a blow of 1,600 pounds or more. The British helmet had twice the ballistic strength of the French helmet. The helmets of British design produced in the United States had an overall ballistic strength 10 percent greater than that of the original British helmet. The ballistics specifications of the M1917 helmet required it to resist penetration by a 230-grain caliber .45 bullet with a velocity of 600 f.p.s. " [ Chptr XI, pg 642, 'WOUND BALLISTICS', Medical Department of the US Army, http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/woundblstcs/chapter11.htm]
Suggest revising the text to: - highlight the differences in manufacture and strength of the US M1917 as compared to the UK Mk1 - identify the required protection capabilities in regard to the .45 cal. - Revise the initial statement to read "None of the steel helmets introduced during the World War I era were intended to protect against bullets fired from typical battle rifles of the era." 67.181.60.83 ( talk) 07:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
There's no doubt that the current version of the article is, in Wikipedia terms, correct as it is supported by a book reference; my amendment [1] was wrong. I'm reminded of poor Cinderella who, thanks to an early mistranslation, was condemned to dance the night away in a glass slipper (pantoufle de verre) rather than a fur slipper (vair). The serious point: is there any chance that the poor mediaeval infantryman, going into battle with an iron chapel (chapel) on his head has suffered from a similar mistranslation at some stage — le chapeau (hat) for la chapelle?-- 217.155.32.221 ( talk) 09:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Brodie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.127.247 ( talk) 20:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I feel that if mention is to be made of the French "skullcap" helmet that preceded the Brodie (and the Adrian) then the German equivalent, the Gaede, should also be acknowledged en passant. Hengistmate ( talk) 23:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I have pulled this together a little. The chronology leapfrogs somewhat, so I've tried to accommodate that. It is actually rather complicated by the Type B, which wasn't a developmental stage, more of a dead-end, but this will have to do for now. Hengistmate ( talk) 13:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)