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I'm not sure if the second list should be "Non-ministerial departments". They're often called "Non-departmental bodies". Jon.baldwin 17:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This section has a number of inaccuracies contained therein. For instance, Executive Agencies are NOT NDPBs/QuANGOs, nor are they non-ministerial departments - they are at arm's length from their Parent Department, staffed by civil servants. NDPBs are part of the wider public sector, but these are most definitely not Departments at all - they are sponsored by a parent department within central government and staffed by public (but not Civil) Servants, and there are various types including Advisory and Statutory. Moreover the status of Ministers, Secretaries of State and so on could be much clearer. I could take a stab at amending much of this but I suspect it needs a wholesale revamp. Wisdom of clowns 10:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I have tried to correct the page on Government Departments, so I hope that this is a bit clearer now. Guineveretoo 12:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Office of Criminal Justice Reform is a ministerial department which needs to be on the list (HR) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.196 ( talk) 16:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is this listed in "see other"? Isn't it a ministerial department, headed by the Lord President? john k 17:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Which article do I need to read in order to find the current 2006-2007 UK Budget?
I have started a list at [1]. Additions to the list, and articles welcome. Jackiespeel ( talk) 14:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reasonable reason why governement departments are called "offices", "the Treasury", "departments" or "ministries"? I thought it was just a name difference, depending on the historical period in which they were created: "offices" in the 18th century, "ministries" in the mid-20th, "departments" in the last 30 or 40 years. However, the lead of Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food states: "It was the last Ministry of the United Kingdom government not to be a Department of State. The Ministry of Defence continues to be known as a Ministry although it has been a Department since the 1960s", which suggests these are two different things. Besides, the "Ministry" of Justice was created in 2007, which is a bit puzzling. The only difference I can think of is that entities called "ministries" seemed to have a more specific portfolio than the current, larger departments. Any idea? 83.199.66.112 ( talk) 12:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
As already pointed out more than two years ago above, the intro needs an explanation of the differences between the terms ministry/minister, department, secretary of state, ministerial department, government department, etc.. They now confuse the reader, who does not know which are synonyms or more general terms. -- Espoo ( talk) 20:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I've removed this as despite their name and their claim, ECGD are not a Government Department (ministerial or otherwise). All Ministerial Departments are listed here: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/government-ministers-and-responsibilities Thom2002 ( talk) 00:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
We should probably take GOV.UK’s word for it, for the inclusion of UK Export Finance as a ministerial department, rather than an agency of the Department for International Trade, is puzzling, since it is under the responsibility of the International Trade Secretary. Anyway, we should probably get things straight, because it is presented as such on the Department for International Trade article. 89.159.110.175 ( talk) 05:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I was a little bit surprised to see the recent edits and page move by User:RGloucester. I see why it might have appeared a little easier too read, but there's a significant and important difference between Britain and the United Kingdom, and although the terms "Britain" and "British" are often used (in contexts where absolute accuracy is not 100% necessary) to describe the United Kingdom, in this area I think it is particularly vital that we remain accurate. The term "British" would incorrectly imply that the departments are part of some government of Britain, excluding Northern Ireland, and try to over-simplify a slightly confusing situation with the governments of the devolved administrations. In addition, WP:NCGAL provides for consistency when it comes to government-related articles, and there is a convention that the form is "X of Y", such as "Departments of the Government of Japan" as opposed to "Yish (or Yian) Xs". What do you think? ninety: one 20:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
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It would be very helpful if contact details could be included, telephone numbers and all other possible details. Seadowns ( talk) 12:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 00:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
British government departments → Departments of the Government of the United Kingdom – Although I understand the confusion between Britain and the UK, the main article is called Government of the United Kingdom. We can have the current title as a redirect but it does not make sense to use one form for the main article and another form for this daughter article, especially when British government has been a redirect since 2003. 2A02:C7D:3C1A:7300:2462:9057:E896:AC16 ( talk) 23:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
There is no discussion about these?
– Kaihsu ( talk) 12:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Most departments don't have distinct individual logos, but they do each have a dedicated colour bar. I wanted to add these to the table, similar to the party colours on lists of ministerial incumbents, but couldn't get the code to work. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 21:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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I'm not sure if the second list should be "Non-ministerial departments". They're often called "Non-departmental bodies". Jon.baldwin 17:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This section has a number of inaccuracies contained therein. For instance, Executive Agencies are NOT NDPBs/QuANGOs, nor are they non-ministerial departments - they are at arm's length from their Parent Department, staffed by civil servants. NDPBs are part of the wider public sector, but these are most definitely not Departments at all - they are sponsored by a parent department within central government and staffed by public (but not Civil) Servants, and there are various types including Advisory and Statutory. Moreover the status of Ministers, Secretaries of State and so on could be much clearer. I could take a stab at amending much of this but I suspect it needs a wholesale revamp. Wisdom of clowns 10:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I have tried to correct the page on Government Departments, so I hope that this is a bit clearer now. Guineveretoo 12:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Office of Criminal Justice Reform is a ministerial department which needs to be on the list (HR) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.196 ( talk) 16:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is this listed in "see other"? Isn't it a ministerial department, headed by the Lord President? john k 17:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Which article do I need to read in order to find the current 2006-2007 UK Budget?
I have started a list at [1]. Additions to the list, and articles welcome. Jackiespeel ( talk) 14:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reasonable reason why governement departments are called "offices", "the Treasury", "departments" or "ministries"? I thought it was just a name difference, depending on the historical period in which they were created: "offices" in the 18th century, "ministries" in the mid-20th, "departments" in the last 30 or 40 years. However, the lead of Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food states: "It was the last Ministry of the United Kingdom government not to be a Department of State. The Ministry of Defence continues to be known as a Ministry although it has been a Department since the 1960s", which suggests these are two different things. Besides, the "Ministry" of Justice was created in 2007, which is a bit puzzling. The only difference I can think of is that entities called "ministries" seemed to have a more specific portfolio than the current, larger departments. Any idea? 83.199.66.112 ( talk) 12:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
As already pointed out more than two years ago above, the intro needs an explanation of the differences between the terms ministry/minister, department, secretary of state, ministerial department, government department, etc.. They now confuse the reader, who does not know which are synonyms or more general terms. -- Espoo ( talk) 20:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I've removed this as despite their name and their claim, ECGD are not a Government Department (ministerial or otherwise). All Ministerial Departments are listed here: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/government-ministers-and-responsibilities Thom2002 ( talk) 00:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
We should probably take GOV.UK’s word for it, for the inclusion of UK Export Finance as a ministerial department, rather than an agency of the Department for International Trade, is puzzling, since it is under the responsibility of the International Trade Secretary. Anyway, we should probably get things straight, because it is presented as such on the Department for International Trade article. 89.159.110.175 ( talk) 05:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I was a little bit surprised to see the recent edits and page move by User:RGloucester. I see why it might have appeared a little easier too read, but there's a significant and important difference between Britain and the United Kingdom, and although the terms "Britain" and "British" are often used (in contexts where absolute accuracy is not 100% necessary) to describe the United Kingdom, in this area I think it is particularly vital that we remain accurate. The term "British" would incorrectly imply that the departments are part of some government of Britain, excluding Northern Ireland, and try to over-simplify a slightly confusing situation with the governments of the devolved administrations. In addition, WP:NCGAL provides for consistency when it comes to government-related articles, and there is a convention that the form is "X of Y", such as "Departments of the Government of Japan" as opposed to "Yish (or Yian) Xs". What do you think? ninety: one 20:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
References
It would be very helpful if contact details could be included, telephone numbers and all other possible details. Seadowns ( talk) 12:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 00:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
British government departments → Departments of the Government of the United Kingdom – Although I understand the confusion between Britain and the UK, the main article is called Government of the United Kingdom. We can have the current title as a redirect but it does not make sense to use one form for the main article and another form for this daughter article, especially when British government has been a redirect since 2003. 2A02:C7D:3C1A:7300:2462:9057:E896:AC16 ( talk) 23:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
There is no discussion about these?
– Kaihsu ( talk) 12:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Most departments don't have distinct individual logos, but they do each have a dedicated colour bar. I wanted to add these to the table, similar to the party colours on lists of ministerial incumbents, but couldn't get the code to work. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 21:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)