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"The vast majority of parts are in stock, and they will remanufacture or hand-make any other required parts." This is not true. There are many parts even for the V8 car which are no longer available, and Bristol do not offer to "hand make or remanufacture" such parts.
Unavailable parts include such fundamental items such as bumper bars for the 411 and anything earlier.
Dick Turpin.
If you know for certain that this claim isn't true, you should delete it from the article. Actually, the entire 'Image and company philosophy' section is a bit gushing and fanboyish ("The Bristol values are those of tradition, understated quality, and practicality, rather than ostentation or excitement" etc). Maybe I'll do a rewrite some time. James von Mann 22:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The note stating that there are parts for old Bristols that are not available seems to have been written by someone who knows what he is talking about, so I won't directly contradict him. However, about 3 or four years ago, I went to the Kensington showroom in London and happened to meet Tony Crook. We had a very pleasant, long conversation about automobiles in general and the Bristol in particular, and he informed me that they had ALL the parts for EVERY Bristol model ever built. He may have been exaggerating, of course, but I did hear that from the head man himself. 98.170.196.210 ( talk) 04:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I think it's slightly premature to start referring to the company in the past tense - the company is now in administration, so it still exists as a legal entity and will remain so until and unless it is finally wound up. Letdorf ( talk) 22:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC).
I'm not sure saying a car company that took BMW plans in post-war Germany has "BMW origins" is NPOV. Did they remunerate BMW? It sounds to me like they stole technology and then made BMWs and sold them as Bristols.
I would like to change the section "BMW origins" to something else, but not necessarily "Stolen BMW technology". Any suggestions? Fleetham ( talk) 14:37, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The history section used to look like this:
History
The history of Bristol Cars began in 1945. Forecasting an excess labour capacity postwar, the Bristol Aeroplane Company (BAC) began working with AFN Ltd, makers of Frazer Nash cars, on plans for a joint venture in automotive manufacture. By July 1945 BAC had created a Car Division and bought a controlling stake in AFN. HJ and DA Aldington remained Directors of AFN and were joined on the Board by Reginald Verdon-Smith and George Middleton White, both sons of BAC Directors. Reginald Verdon-Smith was elected Chairman and HJ Aldington Managing Director.
HJ Aldington, who was still in the British Army, used his military connections to visit the bombed BMW factory in Munich several times in 1945, culminating in a 'duty' trip in October 1945, along with his brother and two Bristol representatives, to take detailed plans of BMW cars and several development engines which they flew back to Bristol. This was quite a tricky manoeuvre as Munich had been declared part of the American Zone and the American Military had just issued orders for the BMW plant to be dismantled and crated up for shipment to the USA. These plans and engines were subsequently declared to be war reparations. BMW chief engineer Fritz Fiedler was also given employment at AFN where he continued development of the BMW 328 engine.
By mid-1947, the different intentions of the Aldingtons and Bristol were becoming clear and Bristol severed its ties with AFN, returning control of AFN to the Aldington family. Earlier in 1947 BAC had registered the company Bristol Cars Ltd although it continued for several years to market its cars as made by the Bristol Aeroplane Company.
The first car, the 1947 Bristol 400, was heavily based on pre-WW2 BMWs. The body looked very like the BMW 327, while its engine and suspension were clones of BMW designs (engine and front suspension based on those of the BMW 328, rear suspension from the BMW 326). Even the famous double-kidney BMW grille was carried over intact.
Until 1961 all Bristol cars used evolutions of the 6-cylinder BMW-derived engine. This well-regarded engine also powered a number of sports and racing cars, including all post-war Frazer Nash cars (apart from a few prototypes), some ACs, some Lotus and Cooper racing cars, and several others. In 1961, with the launch of the Bristol 407, the company switched to larger Chrysler V8 engines, which were more suitable for the increasingly heavy cars. All post-1961 Bristols including the current Blenheim and Fighter models use Chrysler engines.
From 1960 to 1973, former racing driver T.A.D. Tony Crook and Sir George White owned Bristol Cars; In 1973, Sir George sold his stake to Tony Crook. In 1997, Toby Silverton came on board and there followed the greater level of development of cars seen in recent years (particularly, the new Bristol Fighter). Crook eventually sold the company to Silverton in 2001.
This has now been cut down to the following, in my eyes unacceptable version:
The history of Bristol Cars began in 1946 when an excess postwar labour capacity caused the Bristol Aeroplane Company to start building luxury cars.[6] Originally a division of this airplane maker Bristol Cars was sold after its parent joined with other British airplane companies in 1960 to create the British Aircraft Corporation, now British Aerospace.[6]
Pre-war BMW designs
HJ Aldington, a director of the Bristol Aeroplane Company affiliated AFN, used his British Army connections to visit the bombed BMW factory in Munich several times post-war. In 1945 he took plans for BMW cars back to Britain.[7] A BMW chief engineer, Fritz Fiedler, was also given employment. Its first car was the 1947 Bristol 400.[6] Based on pre-WW2 BMW technology, the engine and suspension were BMW designs,[7] and even the famous double-kidney BMW grille was retained.
Engines
Until 1961 all Bristol cars used derivations of a 6-cylinder BMW engine. This well-regarded engine also powered a number of sports and racing cars, including all post-war Frazer Nash cars (apart from a few prototypes), some ACs, some Lotus and Cooper racing cars, and several others.
In 1961, with the launch of the Bristol 407, the company switched to larger Chrysler V8 engines, which were more suitable for the increasingly heavy cars. All post-1961 Bristols including the current Blenheim and Fighter models use Chrysler engines.
I vote for an immediate reversal to the original version. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 17:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
To be clear, I didn't integrate the existing page with my (1st) proposed draft, just took out what was (perhaps) a bit needless. This page as it now is has added some info with cites. (I've also now integrated the new material here.) TBH, I don't think there's anything sufficiently conentious to need removal, even if it's ignorantly fact-tagged (which I wouldn't exclude...) And judging by this... 8o 8o TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Since the tag didn't help... What I'm wondering is, what does AFN mean? Is it just the name of the sales agency, or what? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 16:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
There now are some more paragraphs about Bristol's history in the article, stating that that "has been taken from the Bristol Cars Ltd website, with their kind permission." I'd like to see that permission. I would guess that without this permission, these paragraphs contitute a copyright violation and should not be here. Mark in wiki ( talk) 15:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
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The recently added information about the resurrected marque feels like it was written by a PR consultant rather than a Wikipedian, especially the mentions of its proprietor. 80.7.168.14 ( talk) 20:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
I propose to set up archiving for this Talk page. Any objections? Thanks DBaK ( talk) 16:28, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I have added fully researched and sourced content here regarding the IP of Bristol cars, the controversy surrounding it and the future of the company. This keeps getting deleted and / or replaced with unsourced content without explanation, any reason as to why?
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"The vast majority of parts are in stock, and they will remanufacture or hand-make any other required parts." This is not true. There are many parts even for the V8 car which are no longer available, and Bristol do not offer to "hand make or remanufacture" such parts.
Unavailable parts include such fundamental items such as bumper bars for the 411 and anything earlier.
Dick Turpin.
If you know for certain that this claim isn't true, you should delete it from the article. Actually, the entire 'Image and company philosophy' section is a bit gushing and fanboyish ("The Bristol values are those of tradition, understated quality, and practicality, rather than ostentation or excitement" etc). Maybe I'll do a rewrite some time. James von Mann 22:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The note stating that there are parts for old Bristols that are not available seems to have been written by someone who knows what he is talking about, so I won't directly contradict him. However, about 3 or four years ago, I went to the Kensington showroom in London and happened to meet Tony Crook. We had a very pleasant, long conversation about automobiles in general and the Bristol in particular, and he informed me that they had ALL the parts for EVERY Bristol model ever built. He may have been exaggerating, of course, but I did hear that from the head man himself. 98.170.196.210 ( talk) 04:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I think it's slightly premature to start referring to the company in the past tense - the company is now in administration, so it still exists as a legal entity and will remain so until and unless it is finally wound up. Letdorf ( talk) 22:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC).
I'm not sure saying a car company that took BMW plans in post-war Germany has "BMW origins" is NPOV. Did they remunerate BMW? It sounds to me like they stole technology and then made BMWs and sold them as Bristols.
I would like to change the section "BMW origins" to something else, but not necessarily "Stolen BMW technology". Any suggestions? Fleetham ( talk) 14:37, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The history section used to look like this:
History
The history of Bristol Cars began in 1945. Forecasting an excess labour capacity postwar, the Bristol Aeroplane Company (BAC) began working with AFN Ltd, makers of Frazer Nash cars, on plans for a joint venture in automotive manufacture. By July 1945 BAC had created a Car Division and bought a controlling stake in AFN. HJ and DA Aldington remained Directors of AFN and were joined on the Board by Reginald Verdon-Smith and George Middleton White, both sons of BAC Directors. Reginald Verdon-Smith was elected Chairman and HJ Aldington Managing Director.
HJ Aldington, who was still in the British Army, used his military connections to visit the bombed BMW factory in Munich several times in 1945, culminating in a 'duty' trip in October 1945, along with his brother and two Bristol representatives, to take detailed plans of BMW cars and several development engines which they flew back to Bristol. This was quite a tricky manoeuvre as Munich had been declared part of the American Zone and the American Military had just issued orders for the BMW plant to be dismantled and crated up for shipment to the USA. These plans and engines were subsequently declared to be war reparations. BMW chief engineer Fritz Fiedler was also given employment at AFN where he continued development of the BMW 328 engine.
By mid-1947, the different intentions of the Aldingtons and Bristol were becoming clear and Bristol severed its ties with AFN, returning control of AFN to the Aldington family. Earlier in 1947 BAC had registered the company Bristol Cars Ltd although it continued for several years to market its cars as made by the Bristol Aeroplane Company.
The first car, the 1947 Bristol 400, was heavily based on pre-WW2 BMWs. The body looked very like the BMW 327, while its engine and suspension were clones of BMW designs (engine and front suspension based on those of the BMW 328, rear suspension from the BMW 326). Even the famous double-kidney BMW grille was carried over intact.
Until 1961 all Bristol cars used evolutions of the 6-cylinder BMW-derived engine. This well-regarded engine also powered a number of sports and racing cars, including all post-war Frazer Nash cars (apart from a few prototypes), some ACs, some Lotus and Cooper racing cars, and several others. In 1961, with the launch of the Bristol 407, the company switched to larger Chrysler V8 engines, which were more suitable for the increasingly heavy cars. All post-1961 Bristols including the current Blenheim and Fighter models use Chrysler engines.
From 1960 to 1973, former racing driver T.A.D. Tony Crook and Sir George White owned Bristol Cars; In 1973, Sir George sold his stake to Tony Crook. In 1997, Toby Silverton came on board and there followed the greater level of development of cars seen in recent years (particularly, the new Bristol Fighter). Crook eventually sold the company to Silverton in 2001.
This has now been cut down to the following, in my eyes unacceptable version:
The history of Bristol Cars began in 1946 when an excess postwar labour capacity caused the Bristol Aeroplane Company to start building luxury cars.[6] Originally a division of this airplane maker Bristol Cars was sold after its parent joined with other British airplane companies in 1960 to create the British Aircraft Corporation, now British Aerospace.[6]
Pre-war BMW designs
HJ Aldington, a director of the Bristol Aeroplane Company affiliated AFN, used his British Army connections to visit the bombed BMW factory in Munich several times post-war. In 1945 he took plans for BMW cars back to Britain.[7] A BMW chief engineer, Fritz Fiedler, was also given employment. Its first car was the 1947 Bristol 400.[6] Based on pre-WW2 BMW technology, the engine and suspension were BMW designs,[7] and even the famous double-kidney BMW grille was retained.
Engines
Until 1961 all Bristol cars used derivations of a 6-cylinder BMW engine. This well-regarded engine also powered a number of sports and racing cars, including all post-war Frazer Nash cars (apart from a few prototypes), some ACs, some Lotus and Cooper racing cars, and several others.
In 1961, with the launch of the Bristol 407, the company switched to larger Chrysler V8 engines, which were more suitable for the increasingly heavy cars. All post-1961 Bristols including the current Blenheim and Fighter models use Chrysler engines.
I vote for an immediate reversal to the original version. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 17:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
To be clear, I didn't integrate the existing page with my (1st) proposed draft, just took out what was (perhaps) a bit needless. This page as it now is has added some info with cites. (I've also now integrated the new material here.) TBH, I don't think there's anything sufficiently conentious to need removal, even if it's ignorantly fact-tagged (which I wouldn't exclude...) And judging by this... 8o 8o TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Since the tag didn't help... What I'm wondering is, what does AFN mean? Is it just the name of the sales agency, or what? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 16:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
There now are some more paragraphs about Bristol's history in the article, stating that that "has been taken from the Bristol Cars Ltd website, with their kind permission." I'd like to see that permission. I would guess that without this permission, these paragraphs contitute a copyright violation and should not be here. Mark in wiki ( talk) 15:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
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The recently added information about the resurrected marque feels like it was written by a PR consultant rather than a Wikipedian, especially the mentions of its proprietor. 80.7.168.14 ( talk) 20:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
I propose to set up archiving for this Talk page. Any objections? Thanks DBaK ( talk) 16:28, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I have added fully researched and sourced content here regarding the IP of Bristol cars, the controversy surrounding it and the future of the company. This keeps getting deleted and / or replaced with unsourced content without explanation, any reason as to why?
Thanks Mustang208 ( talk) 12:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)