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Was colonel commandant a rank in its own right? Or was it simply an appointment (or even just a descriptive label) of a colonel commanding a brigade? Franey 15:53, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Rank and temporary appointment are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Hmmm. Brigadier may not have become a substantive rank until after WWII; but was it a temporary rank before then?
Rank is rank, even when not held substantively: an acting major outranks a captain, though both have the same substantive rank; substantive majors do not outrank temporary majors (though they are senior to them).
Conversely, an RSM is senior by appointment to many other WO1s, but does not outrank them.
So:
We may be able to apply a saluting test, if King's/Queen's Regs on saluting were the same then as they are now.
IIRC, officers of the rank of major or higher must salute their superiors in rank. Would a pre-WWII colonel be expected to salute a brigadier?
— Franey 12:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a section on the UDA? There is no higher level section on any national army. The UDA is not a proper military force. Furthermore, the UDA does not use brigadier in any special way. I think the UDA does not deserve a mention, let alone an entire section. Mesoso 17:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Rm the link; it was an extremely POV essay on how great the UK ranking system was, and how other countries' ranking systems as deviations from it were "wrong, stupid, pointless, and confusing". It adds nothing to the article. -- SigPig | SEND - OVER 20:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Brigadier, is originally a Dutch word. Randalph P. Williams 10:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
"Brigadier" seems to have been used in its Continental sense in the old Troops of Horse Guards. An example Gazette from 1782 gives appointments to the following ranks:
The dual ranks were to reflect that regimental rank in the Guards carried with it higher rank in the Army, a situation that continued until the mid-nineteenth century. Opera hat ( talk) 15:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this entry be merged with Brigadier general? 151.24.0.196 ( talk) 10:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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Was colonel commandant a rank in its own right? Or was it simply an appointment (or even just a descriptive label) of a colonel commanding a brigade? Franey 15:53, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Rank and temporary appointment are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Hmmm. Brigadier may not have become a substantive rank until after WWII; but was it a temporary rank before then?
Rank is rank, even when not held substantively: an acting major outranks a captain, though both have the same substantive rank; substantive majors do not outrank temporary majors (though they are senior to them).
Conversely, an RSM is senior by appointment to many other WO1s, but does not outrank them.
So:
We may be able to apply a saluting test, if King's/Queen's Regs on saluting were the same then as they are now.
IIRC, officers of the rank of major or higher must salute their superiors in rank. Would a pre-WWII colonel be expected to salute a brigadier?
— Franey 12:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a section on the UDA? There is no higher level section on any national army. The UDA is not a proper military force. Furthermore, the UDA does not use brigadier in any special way. I think the UDA does not deserve a mention, let alone an entire section. Mesoso 17:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Rm the link; it was an extremely POV essay on how great the UK ranking system was, and how other countries' ranking systems as deviations from it were "wrong, stupid, pointless, and confusing". It adds nothing to the article. -- SigPig | SEND - OVER 20:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Brigadier, is originally a Dutch word. Randalph P. Williams 10:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
"Brigadier" seems to have been used in its Continental sense in the old Troops of Horse Guards. An example Gazette from 1782 gives appointments to the following ranks:
The dual ranks were to reflect that regimental rank in the Guards carried with it higher rank in the Army, a situation that continued until the mid-nineteenth century. Opera hat ( talk) 15:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this entry be merged with Brigadier general? 151.24.0.196 ( talk) 10:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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