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Can I suggest that the entire subject of harnessing needs to be reviewed for the following reasons: 1. The usual History section is missing almost everywhere. 2. Geographic distinctions are missing: in this meme, the English and American bridles are the usual alternative forms, and no such distinction is evident. 3. There is massive terminological confusion in the real world use, so some clearer definitions are needed. 4. Details are insufficient, and often inaccurate. For example, citing the OED on the subject as an expert authority is rather hilarious. I doubt if those academics have ever driven a horse in anger (to quote my harp teacher who, as a clarinetist in the UK Household Cavalry band, was used to driving his horse using reins attached to his stirrups, both hand being needed to play his instrument! That is, admittedly, a rather unusual form of harnessing, however of potential interest to modelmakers. for instance: an encyclopaedia should be encyclopaedic, cover all matters in pertinent detail, at least where the subject is relatively static in development as is the horse harness)
Functionally, I rather feel that the history is one of constant technological development, starting from a physiological minimum, the simple noose, through the minimal halter comprising a browband and a headband behind the ears, running down to a chinstrap/noseband loop, then progressing to a two-part bridle, with the cheekstrap holding the bit split from the lower parts of the headband in the English style, and as a separate complete unit with its own headband running through and on top of the halter headband in the American, may be the way to go, with links describing every part in particular as separate memes: this can be of interest to leatherworkers, for example, as well as apprenctice horse-riders. I came here as a leatherworker wondering how blinkers are attached to the cheekstraps, for example: the details are missing. The effect of the myriad different bits is also absent. The use of distinct memes allows more detailed explanations of the functional design of each part, and the scope and use of optional alternatives and extras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.132.218 ( talk) 10:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I htink that this is great!! I am in PC and had to do a presentation on the bridle. I wanted to do somethiung a little different from the regular parts of the bridle. Truth is I really didn't know what parts of the bridle did what! I think that this is a very helpful page and I will recomend others!
I left in, but toned down, the part added by an anon relating to skull injuries from tying with a bridle: it seems unlikely, since a halter contacts the same areas, but possible, since the pain and constraint of the bit might induce a horse to react more strongly than to a halter. Does anyone have any evidence of skull injuries as a result of being tied with a bridle?-- Curtis Clark 15:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Not skull injuries, the skull is pretty tough, but neck injuries and sometimes injuries to the occipital joint at the poll. I changed the article to be more specific as to the most probable types of harm. Usually a leather bridle breaks before serious damage is done to bone tissue, though tongue injuries are not uncommon. I have known of some bad tongue and jaw injuries from horses tied with nylon bridles, which do not break. Halters made of that nylon climbing rope that are so popular with the natural horsemanship crowd are more a hazard for doing permanent neck damage because if the horse is tied hard with a good rope, they will not break no matter how hard the horse struggles and twists. Breaking bridles and halters is not good, but broken necks are worse, IMHO. Montanabw 22:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The gag bridle could also be mentioned here, too? Cgoodwin 21:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Could we please have link to the gag bit as many of these bits require a special bridle for their use? TIA Cgoodwin 06:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I did, click on the words in blue, I wikilinked them here! Gag bit Indeed, they do need different headstall, maybe look at the interrelationship between double bridle and the main bridle article for a model of a summary and a spin-off. Another editor named User:Eventer did a bunch of these articles, she probably created at least half the tack articles here...she also has bit ring, bit mouthpiece, and I think she started bit (horse) (not to be outdone, I expanded bit shank!) Anyway, take a look around in those articles and see what you want to fix. Oh, and FYI, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing and you may find some fellow travelers! Montanabw (talk) 06:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Grackle bridle (also known as "Mexican" bridle in some places). It comprises a leather strap in a figure 8 from headstall over nose and under the horses mouth, fastening with a buckle just above the mouth on the near side. It's popular with showjumpers & event riders.
Australian bridle, which has a single leather strap passing from the brow to the noseband along the top of the horse's muzzle. It's popular on racehorces (in Australia, obviously).
Kinneton bridle, which has a band passing only over the upper surface of the muzzle. The band is joined to the cheekpieces by open metal loops, which also anchor the bit (which must be slightly oversized as a result). —Preceding unsigned comment added by AliasMarlowe ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Should driving bridles be mentioned here?? Cgoodwin ( talk) 03:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know any more about these bridles than that wich you mentioned, but it would make a starting point. Cgoodwin ( talk) 10:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC) Re the bradoon slip head - it should buckle on the off side so as to balance the buckles on each side. I can dig out my Weymouth bridle and supply, hopefully, a better photo if required. Cgoodwin ( talk) 10:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Are not approved for horse racing in OZ, uncertain as to other countries, but I have not seen them used in racing. Cgoodwin ( talk) 23:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I have added a fact tag to the caption under this image Image:SplitEarShow.jpg due to insufficient evidence that the "one ear" name is incorrect. See [http ://dblrsupply.pinnaclecart.com/products/One_Ear_Rawhide_Bridle-2215-351.html here] for examples where it is referred to by this name. I have always seen this referred to as a "split ear", and this referred to as a "one ear." More examples are here here, and here. There are also "two ear" bridles, as seen here and here. -- AeronM ( talk) 03:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Some interesting pictures here of some early artistic renditions of bridles....(scroll down on page).... -- AeronM ( talk) 14:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we should definitely put this on the hackamore page!!! ha ha -- AeronM ( talk) 16:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the emphasis on a bridle having a bit is misplaced. For me, the fundamental difference between a bridle and a halter is that a bridle is designed and used to steer the horse from behind, whereas a halter is designed and used to tie or lead the horse. I have a book that mentions in certain mountains of Spain ranchers on horseback hold a crook in one hand and a rein in the other. Meaning, the bridle has a rein on one side only. The rider neck reins left and direct reins right, or vice versa. (The book does not mention if the bridle has a bit.) Every style of bridle that I know of attaches the reins more or less at the corners of the mouth (or to shanks that attach at the corners of the mouth). Hence, every style of bridle without a bit (including hackamores) has a noseband. So I suggest in this article, for purposes of this article, define bridle as a headstall having a bit and/or a noseband, and one or more reins. -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Think about it. A bridle has at least one rein (and up to four, two pairs). A bridle might or might not have a bit. The rein function does not require a bit. The function of the bit does require at least one rein or, lacking any rein, a lead. In this photo, the horses are wearing bits. But are they wearing bridles? I say no, those are halters. What do you say? Do you see the problem? What is the essence of a bridle? What is the essence of a halter? Is it presence or absence of a bit? Or is it the presence or absence of reins? -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This Arabian stallion has a bit in his mouth, but is he wearing a halter or a bridle? I would call it a halter. -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
How about this Haflinger in a bridle with bit but no reins? Is this tack being being used as a bridle? Or as a halter? What is more defining, the style or the function? -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
In some usages, "noseband" is the part above the bit and/or cheekpieces; the part below is the "chin strap". This is seen in Image:Polo noseband bridle.jpg and described in the 1893 English translation by Morgan of Xenophon. -- Una Smith ( talk) 16:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The truth is, no matter what you use to tie a horse, injury is possible. The only skull injuries I have ever seen was due to the horse pulling back, and the halter breaking suddenly, causing the horse to go over backward. I have also seen wither damage from this. If the equipment doesn't break and the horse is panicking, he can beat himself all to pieces. If on the other hand, the equipment breaks easily, he can run off and injure himself that way. I would say the only hard and fast rule is never tie a horse in a way that you can't untie quickly and easily if need be. The only other way to make sure your horse is safe is to TEACH him about being tied. There are several different methods to do this, but which one works best depends on the type of horse and the trainer's preference. Equusma ( talk) 03:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed this redlink in wikipedia. CAn some equestrian please make make sense for this part of the bridle? [3]. -No.Altenmann >t 15:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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Can I suggest that the entire subject of harnessing needs to be reviewed for the following reasons: 1. The usual History section is missing almost everywhere. 2. Geographic distinctions are missing: in this meme, the English and American bridles are the usual alternative forms, and no such distinction is evident. 3. There is massive terminological confusion in the real world use, so some clearer definitions are needed. 4. Details are insufficient, and often inaccurate. For example, citing the OED on the subject as an expert authority is rather hilarious. I doubt if those academics have ever driven a horse in anger (to quote my harp teacher who, as a clarinetist in the UK Household Cavalry band, was used to driving his horse using reins attached to his stirrups, both hand being needed to play his instrument! That is, admittedly, a rather unusual form of harnessing, however of potential interest to modelmakers. for instance: an encyclopaedia should be encyclopaedic, cover all matters in pertinent detail, at least where the subject is relatively static in development as is the horse harness)
Functionally, I rather feel that the history is one of constant technological development, starting from a physiological minimum, the simple noose, through the minimal halter comprising a browband and a headband behind the ears, running down to a chinstrap/noseband loop, then progressing to a two-part bridle, with the cheekstrap holding the bit split from the lower parts of the headband in the English style, and as a separate complete unit with its own headband running through and on top of the halter headband in the American, may be the way to go, with links describing every part in particular as separate memes: this can be of interest to leatherworkers, for example, as well as apprenctice horse-riders. I came here as a leatherworker wondering how blinkers are attached to the cheekstraps, for example: the details are missing. The effect of the myriad different bits is also absent. The use of distinct memes allows more detailed explanations of the functional design of each part, and the scope and use of optional alternatives and extras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.132.218 ( talk) 10:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I htink that this is great!! I am in PC and had to do a presentation on the bridle. I wanted to do somethiung a little different from the regular parts of the bridle. Truth is I really didn't know what parts of the bridle did what! I think that this is a very helpful page and I will recomend others!
I left in, but toned down, the part added by an anon relating to skull injuries from tying with a bridle: it seems unlikely, since a halter contacts the same areas, but possible, since the pain and constraint of the bit might induce a horse to react more strongly than to a halter. Does anyone have any evidence of skull injuries as a result of being tied with a bridle?-- Curtis Clark 15:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Not skull injuries, the skull is pretty tough, but neck injuries and sometimes injuries to the occipital joint at the poll. I changed the article to be more specific as to the most probable types of harm. Usually a leather bridle breaks before serious damage is done to bone tissue, though tongue injuries are not uncommon. I have known of some bad tongue and jaw injuries from horses tied with nylon bridles, which do not break. Halters made of that nylon climbing rope that are so popular with the natural horsemanship crowd are more a hazard for doing permanent neck damage because if the horse is tied hard with a good rope, they will not break no matter how hard the horse struggles and twists. Breaking bridles and halters is not good, but broken necks are worse, IMHO. Montanabw 22:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The gag bridle could also be mentioned here, too? Cgoodwin 21:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Could we please have link to the gag bit as many of these bits require a special bridle for their use? TIA Cgoodwin 06:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I did, click on the words in blue, I wikilinked them here! Gag bit Indeed, they do need different headstall, maybe look at the interrelationship between double bridle and the main bridle article for a model of a summary and a spin-off. Another editor named User:Eventer did a bunch of these articles, she probably created at least half the tack articles here...she also has bit ring, bit mouthpiece, and I think she started bit (horse) (not to be outdone, I expanded bit shank!) Anyway, take a look around in those articles and see what you want to fix. Oh, and FYI, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing and you may find some fellow travelers! Montanabw (talk) 06:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Grackle bridle (also known as "Mexican" bridle in some places). It comprises a leather strap in a figure 8 from headstall over nose and under the horses mouth, fastening with a buckle just above the mouth on the near side. It's popular with showjumpers & event riders.
Australian bridle, which has a single leather strap passing from the brow to the noseband along the top of the horse's muzzle. It's popular on racehorces (in Australia, obviously).
Kinneton bridle, which has a band passing only over the upper surface of the muzzle. The band is joined to the cheekpieces by open metal loops, which also anchor the bit (which must be slightly oversized as a result). —Preceding unsigned comment added by AliasMarlowe ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Should driving bridles be mentioned here?? Cgoodwin ( talk) 03:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know any more about these bridles than that wich you mentioned, but it would make a starting point. Cgoodwin ( talk) 10:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC) Re the bradoon slip head - it should buckle on the off side so as to balance the buckles on each side. I can dig out my Weymouth bridle and supply, hopefully, a better photo if required. Cgoodwin ( talk) 10:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Are not approved for horse racing in OZ, uncertain as to other countries, but I have not seen them used in racing. Cgoodwin ( talk) 23:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I have added a fact tag to the caption under this image Image:SplitEarShow.jpg due to insufficient evidence that the "one ear" name is incorrect. See [http ://dblrsupply.pinnaclecart.com/products/One_Ear_Rawhide_Bridle-2215-351.html here] for examples where it is referred to by this name. I have always seen this referred to as a "split ear", and this referred to as a "one ear." More examples are here here, and here. There are also "two ear" bridles, as seen here and here. -- AeronM ( talk) 03:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Some interesting pictures here of some early artistic renditions of bridles....(scroll down on page).... -- AeronM ( talk) 14:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we should definitely put this on the hackamore page!!! ha ha -- AeronM ( talk) 16:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the emphasis on a bridle having a bit is misplaced. For me, the fundamental difference between a bridle and a halter is that a bridle is designed and used to steer the horse from behind, whereas a halter is designed and used to tie or lead the horse. I have a book that mentions in certain mountains of Spain ranchers on horseback hold a crook in one hand and a rein in the other. Meaning, the bridle has a rein on one side only. The rider neck reins left and direct reins right, or vice versa. (The book does not mention if the bridle has a bit.) Every style of bridle that I know of attaches the reins more or less at the corners of the mouth (or to shanks that attach at the corners of the mouth). Hence, every style of bridle without a bit (including hackamores) has a noseband. So I suggest in this article, for purposes of this article, define bridle as a headstall having a bit and/or a noseband, and one or more reins. -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Think about it. A bridle has at least one rein (and up to four, two pairs). A bridle might or might not have a bit. The rein function does not require a bit. The function of the bit does require at least one rein or, lacking any rein, a lead. In this photo, the horses are wearing bits. But are they wearing bridles? I say no, those are halters. What do you say? Do you see the problem? What is the essence of a bridle? What is the essence of a halter? Is it presence or absence of a bit? Or is it the presence or absence of reins? -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This Arabian stallion has a bit in his mouth, but is he wearing a halter or a bridle? I would call it a halter. -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
How about this Haflinger in a bridle with bit but no reins? Is this tack being being used as a bridle? Or as a halter? What is more defining, the style or the function? -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
In some usages, "noseband" is the part above the bit and/or cheekpieces; the part below is the "chin strap". This is seen in Image:Polo noseband bridle.jpg and described in the 1893 English translation by Morgan of Xenophon. -- Una Smith ( talk) 16:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The truth is, no matter what you use to tie a horse, injury is possible. The only skull injuries I have ever seen was due to the horse pulling back, and the halter breaking suddenly, causing the horse to go over backward. I have also seen wither damage from this. If the equipment doesn't break and the horse is panicking, he can beat himself all to pieces. If on the other hand, the equipment breaks easily, he can run off and injure himself that way. I would say the only hard and fast rule is never tie a horse in a way that you can't untie quickly and easily if need be. The only other way to make sure your horse is safe is to TEACH him about being tied. There are several different methods to do this, but which one works best depends on the type of horse and the trainer's preference. Equusma ( talk) 03:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed this redlink in wikipedia. CAn some equestrian please make make sense for this part of the bridle? [3]. -No.Altenmann >t 15:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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