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The informatio). In most weddings in the UK the song played as the bride enters is thechurch, also notable for being Ken's ending tune.... Mr.bonus 15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally do not know why a lot of churches insist that this particular music is "secular". The whole opera (Lohengrin) is about Lohengrin (defender of the Holy Grail) purging Paganism and converting the people of Brabant to Christianity. There is nothing "secular" about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.223.195.85 ( talk) 00:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I dislike the POV in the opening section. Nobody cited sources, and it is a bit misleading to call it a "standard." From [1], "who wants to get married to a song which was used at this wedding that didn't work out?" I have been to only one wedding where it was used, and that was a distinctly secular humanist ceremony. Compare that to 3 weddings that used Prince of Denmark's March, and one that used the Canon in D. Most organists I know simply hate both "Bridal Chorus" and the "Wedding March." I will try to round up some sources from organists I know, and then I might take a crack at a rewrite. See also the Wedding music article, which discusses this in some detail. -- W0lfie 19:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with this objection. I am a professional musician and have played hundreds of weddings over the last 20 years. I do not think I have ever played the "Bridal Chorus" at a wedding; I have played Mendelssohn's "Wedding March" maybe twice. Many churches, not just Lutherans or Catholics, prohibit or discourage both pieces. In my experience, by far the most popular processional piece is Pachelbel's
Canon in D, even for secular weddings. For about 90% of all weddings I have played, Canon in D is the requested processional for the bridesmaids and/or the bride.
Goeben 14:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
A section is entitled {{ copy to Wikisource}}. Can you determine whether this is still required, and which components you consider should be moved. Also, we would require for the source of the translation to be identified to ensure that there is no copyright violation on that component. Thx.-- billinghurst ( talk) 03:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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Stub class. Difficult to rate as the text would be better in WikiSource and the background information with the opera. -- Kleinzach 05:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Stub class ("a rough collection of information"), no printed sources cited, no acknowledgement for the translation, assertions in the article queried on the Talk Page ... does this really belong as part of the Wagner Project? -- GuillaumeTell 15:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Stub class. Per reasons above, although the Catholic link does seem official policy. I think that, as this is one of the two best known Wagner extracts, it does belong under the project and does merit its own article. Information on when it was composed, and first performed, that it is commonly known as "Here comes the bride" could be appropriately included here. Whilst "in popular culture" sections are rightly frowned upon, it probably would be worth mentioning examples of films where it is played in the context of the discussion that it is widely banned as theatre music.-- Peter cohen 10:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC) |
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"Here comes the bride" sticks because it is prosodically close to the actual melody. The Dutch language imitates this effect with "Daar komt de bruid." It would be interesting to compile examples from other languages, if they exist. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:CD57:225A:899:19C9 ( talk) 08:02, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
The "Religious attitudes" section runs completely counter to WP:DUE. Somebody's (unsigned) answer to a question on the LCMS website and a short document from the San Diego Catholic diocese (again unsigned, and not showing any imprimatur) cannot be taken as representing the attitude of the Lutheran and the Catholic Church at large. Either a proper, reliable secondary source should be produced showing the attitude of the two churches (if indeed they have an official attitude) or the section should be deleted. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:1C2E:28:BB7A:70B8 ( talk) 11:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Due to controversies about Wagner and antisemitism, playing his music is divisive in Israel - I wonder if that expands to Jews elsewhere and to Bridal Chorus in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingAlanI ( talk • contribs) 05:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh yes, very much. (Source: Jewish) 24.61.57.240 ( talk) 10:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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The informatio). In most weddings in the UK the song played as the bride enters is thechurch, also notable for being Ken's ending tune.... Mr.bonus 15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally do not know why a lot of churches insist that this particular music is "secular". The whole opera (Lohengrin) is about Lohengrin (defender of the Holy Grail) purging Paganism and converting the people of Brabant to Christianity. There is nothing "secular" about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.223.195.85 ( talk) 00:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I dislike the POV in the opening section. Nobody cited sources, and it is a bit misleading to call it a "standard." From [1], "who wants to get married to a song which was used at this wedding that didn't work out?" I have been to only one wedding where it was used, and that was a distinctly secular humanist ceremony. Compare that to 3 weddings that used Prince of Denmark's March, and one that used the Canon in D. Most organists I know simply hate both "Bridal Chorus" and the "Wedding March." I will try to round up some sources from organists I know, and then I might take a crack at a rewrite. See also the Wedding music article, which discusses this in some detail. -- W0lfie 19:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with this objection. I am a professional musician and have played hundreds of weddings over the last 20 years. I do not think I have ever played the "Bridal Chorus" at a wedding; I have played Mendelssohn's "Wedding March" maybe twice. Many churches, not just Lutherans or Catholics, prohibit or discourage both pieces. In my experience, by far the most popular processional piece is Pachelbel's
Canon in D, even for secular weddings. For about 90% of all weddings I have played, Canon in D is the requested processional for the bridesmaids and/or the bride.
Goeben 14:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
A section is entitled {{ copy to Wikisource}}. Can you determine whether this is still required, and which components you consider should be moved. Also, we would require for the source of the translation to be identified to ensure that there is no copyright violation on that component. Thx.-- billinghurst ( talk) 03:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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==Rating by Richard Wagner Project==
Stub class. Difficult to rate as the text would be better in WikiSource and the background information with the opera. -- Kleinzach 05:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC) Stub class ("a rough collection of information"), no printed sources cited, no acknowledgement for the translation, assertions in the article queried on the Talk Page ... does this really belong as part of the Wagner Project? -- GuillaumeTell 15:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Stub class. Per reasons above, although the Catholic link does seem official policy. I think that, as this is one of the two best known Wagner extracts, it does belong under the project and does merit its own article. Information on when it was composed, and first performed, that it is commonly known as "Here comes the bride" could be appropriately included here. Whilst "in popular culture" sections are rightly frowned upon, it probably would be worth mentioning examples of films where it is played in the context of the discussion that it is widely banned as theatre music.-- Peter cohen 10:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 11:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
"Here comes the bride" sticks because it is prosodically close to the actual melody. The Dutch language imitates this effect with "Daar komt de bruid." It would be interesting to compile examples from other languages, if they exist. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:CD57:225A:899:19C9 ( talk) 08:02, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
The "Religious attitudes" section runs completely counter to WP:DUE. Somebody's (unsigned) answer to a question on the LCMS website and a short document from the San Diego Catholic diocese (again unsigned, and not showing any imprimatur) cannot be taken as representing the attitude of the Lutheran and the Catholic Church at large. Either a proper, reliable secondary source should be produced showing the attitude of the two churches (if indeed they have an official attitude) or the section should be deleted. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:1C2E:28:BB7A:70B8 ( talk) 11:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Due to controversies about Wagner and antisemitism, playing his music is divisive in Israel - I wonder if that expands to Jews elsewhere and to Bridal Chorus in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingAlanI ( talk • contribs) 05:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh yes, very much. (Source: Jewish) 24.61.57.240 ( talk) 10:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)