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Another man by the name of Brian Wood who worked on video games died in a car accident on September 3rd. However, it was not this one. As far as I can tell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.29.169.1 ( talk) 02:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I've added a section that deals with the recent accusation of sexual harassment against Wood, linking it back to two reliable sources. I've kept the section brief and factual, framing it entirely in terms of the accusation. There is, I recognize, some debate to be had on whether this is appropriate or whether it's reporting gossip, but as the story has been widely discussed in comics circles, with writers like G Willow Wilson and Greg Rucka making blogposts about it, and because the issue of harassment and misogyny in comics culture has been one that's been prominent in comics press for a while now, I think a brief mention that does not overly slant the article is probably appropriate, yes?
I'm keeping my eye on the story, and will update it with Wood's reaction when and if he says anything about it. (He declined comment to Comics Beat) I can't imagine many more sources or developments that would require expansion from there - this shouldn't be a major part of the article or anything. But it is something that should be mentioned, I think. (Notably, the person accusing him is a reasonably well-known professional in her own right. Who could use an article, as she's a redlink. Suppose I'll get on that today or tomorrow.) Winter's Tulpa ( talk) 16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The sexual misconduct section has seen a lot of edits. I added a few minor ones, to better reflect what the cited articles have reported.
Since the Anne Scherbina was included by another poster, I have added relavant clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.73.124 ( talk) 17:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Added actual quoted initial accusation against Wood. Clarified muddy sentences and overly passive statements. Deleted a sentence that referenced private emails that Fowler published without permission. Finally, changed the headline since the accusations do not describe the generally accepted 'sexual misconduct', and are mostly verbal. - TFowler86, Apr 15, 2021 TFowler86 ( talk) 12:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Removed material that sourced personal tweets, not reliable secondary sources as required by Wikipedia. 108.29.73.124 ( talk) 08:56, April 28, 2021 (UTC)
Removed item using a personal tweet as a sole citation. According to wikipedia, "Tweets and other self-published material may be acceptable if the conditions specified at WP:SPS or WP:TWITTER are met." They have not been met by the definitions provided.
Again, removed section that didn't cite a secondary, independent source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.73.124 ( talk) 14:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Using someone's personal twitter is not a reliable source. Deleted the offending sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TFowler86 ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Many clarifications. The section headline is inaccurate and overly broad in definition. These accusations each have public resolutions, so now the header reflects that. Removed text that in no way met the definition to be included in that section. Wood was not the offender - Rich Johnston was. Let's keep this section factual and as per the rules. Libel and falsehoods cannot be tolerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TFowler86 ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
My goal in putting in work on this page is to benefit it overall. In recent years it's been whittled down for no reason that I can see, from a full account of the subject's 20+ year career to a condensed overview lacking in key details. I want to contribute factual information that reflects the citations correctly. I've removed some minor content because the citation is broken, a 404 Page, but Nightscream still reverts it back to its incorrect edit. This is true of the Brian Wood bio page on his website. The bio page is GONE. This is what I aim to do for the entire article, to check citations, to make sure what's being said in the article is accurate to the citation, and restore key details. I believe Nightscream has become biased against my actions based on the past, and I take responsibility for either not fully understanding the editing laws and by-laws, and for not explaining my goals clearly. I do not want innocuous and beneficial edits to be mass-reverted because Nightscream believes I am a bad actor. I was a journalist in the comic book industry for many years. I am knowledgeable and I understand Wood's history and what aspects are important to include. I carry no water for the man - he's made mistakes but he's contributed a lot to the medium.
I am modeling my edits after several of Wood's comtemporaries, such as Ed Brubaker, Warren Ellis, and Greg Rucka in terms of sections and headlines and organizing content. Nightscream reverted my recent work to something that uses decades to broadly categorize Wood's work, but its arbitrary and the career doesn't neatly conform to those dates. I will attempt to find middle ground in my next effort.
I beseech Nightscream to take my next edits on their own merits, to not mass-revert everything I've done. If I've made an error, please correct that error but leave the harmless work alone.
Oh, and on the "Wood was not the offender - Rich Johnston was." note, it was Johnston who published the gossip in question and exposed Scherbina, as per her own account (Luthorville) The Atlantic article is libelous in how it paraphrased Wood's actions. The entire section on Sexual Misconduct is flawed and I believe reflects bias against the subject. Facts and truth must win out over personal distaste.
I will update here as I write. Cheers.
TFowler86 ( talk) 15:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The line about Wood's stuttering, backed up with a valid citation, was removed by Nightscream. No reason that I can see. Stuttering is a valid issue and can go a long way to defining a person's life and career, as Wood makes evident. We can't be insensitive and act like its not important to include. I revised that section, and brought the introduction paragraph up to date and more reflective of his career.
TFowler86 ( talk) 15:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I have uploaded a new photo. I found the previous one dark, unprofessional, and of poor quality. The new one is a professional headshot. TFowler86 ( talk) 16:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I added an Awards section. TFowler86 ( talk) 17:09, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I added an Unrealized Projects section, based off a similar section I see on Warren Ellis' wiki. TFowler86 ( talk) 17:58, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Rebuilding the Career section. I am modeling my edits after several of Wood's contemporaries, such as Ed Brubaker, Warren Ellis, and Greg Rucka in terms of sections and headlines and organizing content. I also found great material to add to Early Life. TFowler86 ( talk) 18:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Still working on Career. I am not finished, but have to step away for a bit. Again, I am making these additions in good faith and the best of intentions. Nightscream please don't revert automatically. Tell me if anything's amiss. TFowler86 ( talk) 19:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Back at it, building out the Career section. TFowler86 ( talk) 20:16, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I sourced Brooklyn, and moved all the errant period marks in my edited sections so far. To the best of my knowledge I am using proper sources. I am not a super master wikipedier, however, and any errors are honest ones. I would appreciate a flag or a note to fix offending ones, rather than wholesale reversion. I'm doing this in good faith. Thank you. TFowler86 ( talk) 21:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Do not insult me, please. I said it was an honest question. I don't have your knowledge of wikipedia rules - this is why I am me and you are an admin. Thank you for your information, I take it to heart. Please, no personal insults or insinuations. I'm doing my best. TFowler86 ( talk) 22:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm on the spectrum. Please, I'm trying. I don't like being insulted. TFowler86 ( talk) 22:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I know you have an issue with line breaks, but unless it's a specific wiki rule, I would ask you to bear with me. Line breaks break up the text and make it easier to scan and read. I'm not using them gratuitously. I add them went I feel a piece of timeline is ending a new notable point begins. I guess what I'm saying is its not my preference so much as a best practices thing I've learned over the years copyediting for news publications. TFowler86 ( talk) 18:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
I see there's been quite a discussion regarding TFowler86's edits, and since I enjoy researching/maintaining comic book writers' bibliographies I'd like to add my two cents. I'm not aware if there's a larger guide to maintaining bibliographies—the Manual of Style cited here doesn't mention it as far as I could see—but I copied the current structure from an existing page (I think it was Mark Millar's) back when I first started editing and since it's a relatively widespread one I assume most users find it easy to navigate. I know I do. Chronological order of works and the "publisher—title—collected edition" hierarchy strike a good balance in being informative on when, how and with whom the subject collaborated on any given title. Not sure this particular author's page requires different treatment. DETVB ( talk) 00:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Why I found chronological problematic is several of Wood's titles jump from publisher to publisher over many years, so you have four editions of Demo across three publishers over fifteen years' time. Channel Zero the same way. I feel like you would have to be strictly chronological to make that clean, perhaps listing titles under years, not publishers. I admit I like the cleanliness of this, and was working to implement that a little bit to see how it looked. Comics are the only book medium where publisher is given top billing, which always struck me as bizarre, and in Wood's case where the majority of his work was outside of the two superhero universes, kind of a bad fit. So that's what I was going for - clean, simplified, no extraneous info or formatting, and using many of the suggestions and directives on that Manual of Style page. I'd like to give it a fair shot, either alphabetical or straight chronological. TFowler86 ( talk) 00:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
By cleanliness I meant legibility and the ability to quickly acsertain the relevant info, but I understand your position and will obey. Informativeness it is. TFowler86 ( talk) 12:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
New credits in Early Work sourced from here. I shot Wood a DM last night and he confirmed this info is correct. TFowler86 ( talk) 14:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. Rebels does have that subtitle for its first volume. You're right about Supernatural. I REALLY hate that second billing thing, especially when the subsequent editions are unique from each other as they are in this case of some of Wood's books. If we are going to the trouble to observe the publisher-centric aspect of these listings, why this deviation? It would be better to list works by project name, then, or strictly chronological. The way you suggest is neither fish nor fowl, but something in between. To get accurate information on Wood's body of Marvel work, you have to know to read in the Dark Horse section. And so on. TFowler86 ( talk) 21:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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Another man by the name of Brian Wood who worked on video games died in a car accident on September 3rd. However, it was not this one. As far as I can tell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.29.169.1 ( talk) 02:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I've added a section that deals with the recent accusation of sexual harassment against Wood, linking it back to two reliable sources. I've kept the section brief and factual, framing it entirely in terms of the accusation. There is, I recognize, some debate to be had on whether this is appropriate or whether it's reporting gossip, but as the story has been widely discussed in comics circles, with writers like G Willow Wilson and Greg Rucka making blogposts about it, and because the issue of harassment and misogyny in comics culture has been one that's been prominent in comics press for a while now, I think a brief mention that does not overly slant the article is probably appropriate, yes?
I'm keeping my eye on the story, and will update it with Wood's reaction when and if he says anything about it. (He declined comment to Comics Beat) I can't imagine many more sources or developments that would require expansion from there - this shouldn't be a major part of the article or anything. But it is something that should be mentioned, I think. (Notably, the person accusing him is a reasonably well-known professional in her own right. Who could use an article, as she's a redlink. Suppose I'll get on that today or tomorrow.) Winter's Tulpa ( talk) 16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The sexual misconduct section has seen a lot of edits. I added a few minor ones, to better reflect what the cited articles have reported.
Since the Anne Scherbina was included by another poster, I have added relavant clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.73.124 ( talk) 17:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Added actual quoted initial accusation against Wood. Clarified muddy sentences and overly passive statements. Deleted a sentence that referenced private emails that Fowler published without permission. Finally, changed the headline since the accusations do not describe the generally accepted 'sexual misconduct', and are mostly verbal. - TFowler86, Apr 15, 2021 TFowler86 ( talk) 12:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Removed material that sourced personal tweets, not reliable secondary sources as required by Wikipedia. 108.29.73.124 ( talk) 08:56, April 28, 2021 (UTC)
Removed item using a personal tweet as a sole citation. According to wikipedia, "Tweets and other self-published material may be acceptable if the conditions specified at WP:SPS or WP:TWITTER are met." They have not been met by the definitions provided.
Again, removed section that didn't cite a secondary, independent source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.73.124 ( talk) 14:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Using someone's personal twitter is not a reliable source. Deleted the offending sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TFowler86 ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Many clarifications. The section headline is inaccurate and overly broad in definition. These accusations each have public resolutions, so now the header reflects that. Removed text that in no way met the definition to be included in that section. Wood was not the offender - Rich Johnston was. Let's keep this section factual and as per the rules. Libel and falsehoods cannot be tolerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TFowler86 ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
My goal in putting in work on this page is to benefit it overall. In recent years it's been whittled down for no reason that I can see, from a full account of the subject's 20+ year career to a condensed overview lacking in key details. I want to contribute factual information that reflects the citations correctly. I've removed some minor content because the citation is broken, a 404 Page, but Nightscream still reverts it back to its incorrect edit. This is true of the Brian Wood bio page on his website. The bio page is GONE. This is what I aim to do for the entire article, to check citations, to make sure what's being said in the article is accurate to the citation, and restore key details. I believe Nightscream has become biased against my actions based on the past, and I take responsibility for either not fully understanding the editing laws and by-laws, and for not explaining my goals clearly. I do not want innocuous and beneficial edits to be mass-reverted because Nightscream believes I am a bad actor. I was a journalist in the comic book industry for many years. I am knowledgeable and I understand Wood's history and what aspects are important to include. I carry no water for the man - he's made mistakes but he's contributed a lot to the medium.
I am modeling my edits after several of Wood's comtemporaries, such as Ed Brubaker, Warren Ellis, and Greg Rucka in terms of sections and headlines and organizing content. Nightscream reverted my recent work to something that uses decades to broadly categorize Wood's work, but its arbitrary and the career doesn't neatly conform to those dates. I will attempt to find middle ground in my next effort.
I beseech Nightscream to take my next edits on their own merits, to not mass-revert everything I've done. If I've made an error, please correct that error but leave the harmless work alone.
Oh, and on the "Wood was not the offender - Rich Johnston was." note, it was Johnston who published the gossip in question and exposed Scherbina, as per her own account (Luthorville) The Atlantic article is libelous in how it paraphrased Wood's actions. The entire section on Sexual Misconduct is flawed and I believe reflects bias against the subject. Facts and truth must win out over personal distaste.
I will update here as I write. Cheers.
TFowler86 ( talk) 15:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
The line about Wood's stuttering, backed up with a valid citation, was removed by Nightscream. No reason that I can see. Stuttering is a valid issue and can go a long way to defining a person's life and career, as Wood makes evident. We can't be insensitive and act like its not important to include. I revised that section, and brought the introduction paragraph up to date and more reflective of his career.
TFowler86 ( talk) 15:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I have uploaded a new photo. I found the previous one dark, unprofessional, and of poor quality. The new one is a professional headshot. TFowler86 ( talk) 16:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I added an Awards section. TFowler86 ( talk) 17:09, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I added an Unrealized Projects section, based off a similar section I see on Warren Ellis' wiki. TFowler86 ( talk) 17:58, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Rebuilding the Career section. I am modeling my edits after several of Wood's contemporaries, such as Ed Brubaker, Warren Ellis, and Greg Rucka in terms of sections and headlines and organizing content. I also found great material to add to Early Life. TFowler86 ( talk) 18:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Still working on Career. I am not finished, but have to step away for a bit. Again, I am making these additions in good faith and the best of intentions. Nightscream please don't revert automatically. Tell me if anything's amiss. TFowler86 ( talk) 19:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Back at it, building out the Career section. TFowler86 ( talk) 20:16, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I sourced Brooklyn, and moved all the errant period marks in my edited sections so far. To the best of my knowledge I am using proper sources. I am not a super master wikipedier, however, and any errors are honest ones. I would appreciate a flag or a note to fix offending ones, rather than wholesale reversion. I'm doing this in good faith. Thank you. TFowler86 ( talk) 21:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Do not insult me, please. I said it was an honest question. I don't have your knowledge of wikipedia rules - this is why I am me and you are an admin. Thank you for your information, I take it to heart. Please, no personal insults or insinuations. I'm doing my best. TFowler86 ( talk) 22:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm on the spectrum. Please, I'm trying. I don't like being insulted. TFowler86 ( talk) 22:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
I know you have an issue with line breaks, but unless it's a specific wiki rule, I would ask you to bear with me. Line breaks break up the text and make it easier to scan and read. I'm not using them gratuitously. I add them went I feel a piece of timeline is ending a new notable point begins. I guess what I'm saying is its not my preference so much as a best practices thing I've learned over the years copyediting for news publications. TFowler86 ( talk) 18:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
I see there's been quite a discussion regarding TFowler86's edits, and since I enjoy researching/maintaining comic book writers' bibliographies I'd like to add my two cents. I'm not aware if there's a larger guide to maintaining bibliographies—the Manual of Style cited here doesn't mention it as far as I could see—but I copied the current structure from an existing page (I think it was Mark Millar's) back when I first started editing and since it's a relatively widespread one I assume most users find it easy to navigate. I know I do. Chronological order of works and the "publisher—title—collected edition" hierarchy strike a good balance in being informative on when, how and with whom the subject collaborated on any given title. Not sure this particular author's page requires different treatment. DETVB ( talk) 00:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Why I found chronological problematic is several of Wood's titles jump from publisher to publisher over many years, so you have four editions of Demo across three publishers over fifteen years' time. Channel Zero the same way. I feel like you would have to be strictly chronological to make that clean, perhaps listing titles under years, not publishers. I admit I like the cleanliness of this, and was working to implement that a little bit to see how it looked. Comics are the only book medium where publisher is given top billing, which always struck me as bizarre, and in Wood's case where the majority of his work was outside of the two superhero universes, kind of a bad fit. So that's what I was going for - clean, simplified, no extraneous info or formatting, and using many of the suggestions and directives on that Manual of Style page. I'd like to give it a fair shot, either alphabetical or straight chronological. TFowler86 ( talk) 00:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
By cleanliness I meant legibility and the ability to quickly acsertain the relevant info, but I understand your position and will obey. Informativeness it is. TFowler86 ( talk) 12:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
New credits in Early Work sourced from here. I shot Wood a DM last night and he confirmed this info is correct. TFowler86 ( talk) 14:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. Rebels does have that subtitle for its first volume. You're right about Supernatural. I REALLY hate that second billing thing, especially when the subsequent editions are unique from each other as they are in this case of some of Wood's books. If we are going to the trouble to observe the publisher-centric aspect of these listings, why this deviation? It would be better to list works by project name, then, or strictly chronological. The way you suggest is neither fish nor fowl, but something in between. To get accurate information on Wood's body of Marvel work, you have to know to read in the Dark Horse section. And so on. TFowler86 ( talk) 21:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
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