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I think that this article, though interesting and informative, is seriously flawed.
The flaw is that it presents journalism as history.
Where, for example, would one find in a serious historical work such impossible-to-prove assertions as "all of whom are generally regarded as the major parliamentary intellectuals in modern Irish political history" ?
The use of the passive tense, as well as the word "generally" makes the phrase worse than useless in the context of an attempt at historical accuracy. Regarded by whom ? The "generals" ( and privates ?) of the media ? The people ? If there was a definitive opinion poll, it should be quoted.
There seems to be an "edit war " going on here
'''* (cur) (last) 17:58, 12 September 2006 Djegan (Talk | contribs) m (rv-inappropriate "ref" usage) * (cur) (last) 09:24, 12 September 2006 194.46.247.56 (Talk) (rv to wiki style) * (cur) (last) 07:36, 12 September 2006 194.46.165.122 (Talk) (?Presidential candidate -
Wiki style)
* (cur) (last) 07:33, 12 September 2006 194.46.165.122 (Talk) (?Liver transplant - Wiki styl not tabloid) * (cur) (last) 06:45, 12 September 2006 Djegan (Talk | contribs) m (rv-inappropriate "ref" usage)Bold text'''''''
The reversions by Djegan serve to render the article as tabloid story telling journalism, rather than the mandatory wiki neutral factual style. Accordingly to improve on tabloid presentation we must revert. Tayana 22:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
You are selectively reading and incorrectly interpreting WP:FOOTwhich states ;
'A footnote is a note placed at the bottom of a page of a document that comments on, and may cite a reference for, a part of the main text. The connection between the relevant text and its footnote is often indicated with a number or symbol which is used both after the text fragment and before the footnote.
Footnotes are sometimes useful for relevant text that would distract from the main point if embedded in the main text, yet are helpful in explaining a point in greater detail. Footnotes are also often used to cite references which are relevant to a text. Citation of sources is important in supporting Verifiability, a key aspect of Wikipedia.
Tabloid presentation is partisan populist prose, designed to deceive rather than educate and has no place in wiki.. Neither Demiurge nor Djegan make any editorial contribution except to bluntly revert my edits. This is unacceptable. Tayana 23:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Could the description of Charles Haughey as a "radical republican" party leader candidate not be described as inaccurate or, at least, unenlightening? Certainly, Haughey cultivated "republican" credentials but radical republican is hardly an impartial or informed phrase in this context.
User:MichaelTurley
The result of the move request was Brian Lenihan, Jnr moved to Brian Joseph Lenihan; Brian Lenihan, Snr moved to Brian Lenihan -- Aervanath ( talk) 05:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi BHG, I am puzzled why you moved both Brian Lenihan articled without having a discussion on it. The last time they were moved there was a discussion on Brian Lenihan's (Father) talk page. While Brian Lenihan (Father) may be sometimes referred to as Brian Lenihan, Snr. There is no evidence for the current Irish Minister for Finance being referred to as Brian Lenihan, Jnr. The media refers to him as simply Brian Lenihan. His oireachtas entry says Brian Joseph Lenihan [1]. Brian Lenihan, Jnr is a wikipedia invention. They have to be disambiguated but this is not the correct way. Snappy ( talk) 16:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
FYI, a few more search results:
-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
This article needs citations if it is to be taken seriously. Right now, it has footnotes, but these are not citations. As it stands, the footnotes are merely uncorroborated statements in smaller writing than in the main article. 174.16.34.183 ( talk) 00:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Article asserts that Lenihan proposed the merger of UCD and TCD, although earlier Ministers of Education raised this -- Taibhseoir ( talk) 09:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
There is no mention of Lenihans third term as Minister for forgein affairs. (1987-1989)
There is no mention of Lenihans third term as Minister for forgein affairs. (1987-1989) Iirimaa ( talk) 00:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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I think that this article, though interesting and informative, is seriously flawed.
The flaw is that it presents journalism as history.
Where, for example, would one find in a serious historical work such impossible-to-prove assertions as "all of whom are generally regarded as the major parliamentary intellectuals in modern Irish political history" ?
The use of the passive tense, as well as the word "generally" makes the phrase worse than useless in the context of an attempt at historical accuracy. Regarded by whom ? The "generals" ( and privates ?) of the media ? The people ? If there was a definitive opinion poll, it should be quoted.
There seems to be an "edit war " going on here
'''* (cur) (last) 17:58, 12 September 2006 Djegan (Talk | contribs) m (rv-inappropriate "ref" usage) * (cur) (last) 09:24, 12 September 2006 194.46.247.56 (Talk) (rv to wiki style) * (cur) (last) 07:36, 12 September 2006 194.46.165.122 (Talk) (?Presidential candidate -
Wiki style)
* (cur) (last) 07:33, 12 September 2006 194.46.165.122 (Talk) (?Liver transplant - Wiki styl not tabloid) * (cur) (last) 06:45, 12 September 2006 Djegan (Talk | contribs) m (rv-inappropriate "ref" usage)Bold text'''''''
The reversions by Djegan serve to render the article as tabloid story telling journalism, rather than the mandatory wiki neutral factual style. Accordingly to improve on tabloid presentation we must revert. Tayana 22:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
You are selectively reading and incorrectly interpreting WP:FOOTwhich states ;
'A footnote is a note placed at the bottom of a page of a document that comments on, and may cite a reference for, a part of the main text. The connection between the relevant text and its footnote is often indicated with a number or symbol which is used both after the text fragment and before the footnote.
Footnotes are sometimes useful for relevant text that would distract from the main point if embedded in the main text, yet are helpful in explaining a point in greater detail. Footnotes are also often used to cite references which are relevant to a text. Citation of sources is important in supporting Verifiability, a key aspect of Wikipedia.
Tabloid presentation is partisan populist prose, designed to deceive rather than educate and has no place in wiki.. Neither Demiurge nor Djegan make any editorial contribution except to bluntly revert my edits. This is unacceptable. Tayana 23:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Could the description of Charles Haughey as a "radical republican" party leader candidate not be described as inaccurate or, at least, unenlightening? Certainly, Haughey cultivated "republican" credentials but radical republican is hardly an impartial or informed phrase in this context.
User:MichaelTurley
The result of the move request was Brian Lenihan, Jnr moved to Brian Joseph Lenihan; Brian Lenihan, Snr moved to Brian Lenihan -- Aervanath ( talk) 05:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi BHG, I am puzzled why you moved both Brian Lenihan articled without having a discussion on it. The last time they were moved there was a discussion on Brian Lenihan's (Father) talk page. While Brian Lenihan (Father) may be sometimes referred to as Brian Lenihan, Snr. There is no evidence for the current Irish Minister for Finance being referred to as Brian Lenihan, Jnr. The media refers to him as simply Brian Lenihan. His oireachtas entry says Brian Joseph Lenihan [1]. Brian Lenihan, Jnr is a wikipedia invention. They have to be disambiguated but this is not the correct way. Snappy ( talk) 16:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
FYI, a few more search results:
-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
This article needs citations if it is to be taken seriously. Right now, it has footnotes, but these are not citations. As it stands, the footnotes are merely uncorroborated statements in smaller writing than in the main article. 174.16.34.183 ( talk) 00:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Article asserts that Lenihan proposed the merger of UCD and TCD, although earlier Ministers of Education raised this -- Taibhseoir ( talk) 09:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
There is no mention of Lenihans third term as Minister for forgein affairs. (1987-1989)
There is no mention of Lenihans third term as Minister for forgein affairs. (1987-1989) Iirimaa ( talk) 00:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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