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I removed the remark about Musburger hating Notre Dame. I've listened to him for a number of years and have never found any evidence of this. There is no citation to back this up (no citations of any kind, for that matter), and I could find nothing anywhere on the Internet. Find some evidence (and link to it here), and you can put it back. Realkyhick 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove the NPOV notice until issues on this talk page have been resolved. This page will be submitted for semi-protection if bias claims are added to the page without citation. Cmprince 18:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Please work out your differences on the talk page. Please remember that any assertions of fact or opinion must be properly attributed and sourced or they may be summarily deleted. · Katefan0 (scribble)/ mrp 21:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. There is no good reason to delete the paraphrased commentary made by Musburger during the Fiesta Bowl. He made the remark about Tyler Hamby, thus he should be held accountable. Musburger crossed the line of neutrality on Monday evening, and people should know about it.
I do see what you mean in principle. However, paraphrasing text from the Fiesta Bowl is in no way editorializing. Sports journalism is based on the fundamental premise that the broadcaster should be neutral. Simply, he or she should call the game and color the teams and competition up a bit when time permits. Musberger made the Hamby comment when the game was within one touchdown. This involves much more than a few Irish fans being offended.
Being that the sports fans I've talked to seem to have strong opinions about Brent Musberger, he has clearly been a controversial figure, even before the Fiesta Bowl. I can say that I'm completely neutral on the guy, because I don't watch sports. It would not be fair to isolate a single controversial quote for presentation on Wikipedia because doing so would beg the question of motivation for isolating that quote. The user arguing for inclusion of the quote about the touchdown clearly believes that Musberger violated a standard of integrity in doing so, but the presentation of that POV is unacceptable unless presented in a subheading that would, I believe, need to include at least the following:
1. The direct quote from Musberger, including the full context; 2. Arguments for the contention that Musberger, as a sports journalist, violated accepted standards of professional integrity, with references to unbiased (or at least balanced) sources who discuss impartiality and bias-free reporting standards for sports journalists, including examples of past incidents, and preferably coming from other sports journalists (his peers), 3. Arguments for the contention that Musberger, as a sports journalist, did not violate any such standards, with similar references as in (2).
It would also be good to explore varying standards between sports journalists and news journalists.
Again, including the quote without full context and a fair discussion of the issues surrounding it would amount to expressing a POV. I'd argue against including the quote and discussion at all, but if it must be included, then someone's going to have to do the research. -- Maande10 11:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Bottom line, Brent Musburger is a controversial journalistic figure. In stating this, there is no POV being violated. It is rare to see journalists writing critcisms about their colleagues. Musburger is known for having a great voice, and sometimes allowing this "gift" to interfere with his job as a neutral play by play announcer. We should all take a look at some of the other sports related articles. Controversy is included.
This should be returned to the page, it has been taken down several times too. “Play-by-play announcer Brent Musburger had just finished calling the Huskers' game against Pittsburgh when he was cited near Memorial Stadium. Lincoln police said he was cited for consuming alcohol in public and having an open container in his car.” http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/4992183/detail.html
References
1.From the AP, "According to records from the Lincoln city attorney's office, Musburger paid the fine on Oct. 20 rather than show up in court. He was fined $50 for the open container of alcohol, $50 for drinking from it and $44 in court costs." http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/1121musburger-ON.html
HUH??? Who the heck cares how he pled? The "technicality" of his plea is completely irrelevant. Musberger was found guilty. That's all anybody needs to know.
2. Regarding Brent Musburger's questionable coverage of the United States vs. Iran Soccer game http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/soccer/longterm/worldcup98/columns/articles/waves28.htm
3. Regarding Brent Musburger's praise of certain players http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/2000/oct/10-31-2000/sports/03.html
4. Regarding Musburger's hyping certain players, and insulting Heisman voters who don't vote for Musburger's favorite: http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/5965773
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What's would be the criteria for a Musburger call to be considered "notable"? I mean, the first few are OK, as they are from moments that are truly among the most famous and well-known moments in the history of their respective sports. But random calls from an Ohio State/Purdue game in 2002 or Michigan/Iowa game in 1985? Why shouldn't every person just put in whatever Musburger said the last time he called our favorite team having an exciting moment or big win? Mwelch 18:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the Michigan/Iowa one may be a little scarce in terms of high recognition, but certainly "Holy Buckeye" (the Ohio State/Purdue game) is an instant classic. Another reason for it's justified entry IMO is that it's a "classic Brent call", but one that came later in Brent's life as he nears 70. Basically to me, the criteria for a "notable" call or utterance is one that compliments a classic visual moment in a particularly classic game in sports history. Pretty much every entry fits in someway or another. With Musburger, it's easy to put in every quote, because of the way Brents cool bombast makes it so, but to me, and I have put a few entries in the Calls and Utterances section, it must be a call that compliments a classic moment. -- Stoogeyp 02:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Good points. I'll have to defend the Yankees/Mariners one however, because except for CBS radio, Brent NEVER did baseball on TV, in fact, it was like that brief time in 1995 on ABC that he did (I believe), so in that context, I would defend the Edgar Martinez winning RBI double call (and I'm a YANKEE fan nonetheless! Boy was that a heartbreaker when I saw that live..but I digress LOL), only for the fact that it was a rare classic baseball BRENT call, and again, since there isn't much to go from with Brent and Baseball, that call should stay (IMO)...
Brent in recent years has been associated with the "Footrace" call...now if we were to say who really owns what, we could both go to the Marv Albert page and pull things, cause Marty Glickman said em (maybe invented them) first, same with Chick Hearn. There is no ownership implied of course of who said what first and all, I mean the urban legend is that Brent invented "March Madness" and I'll bet that as many people who agree with that, disagree with that. Was he the first ever to utter "You Are Looking Live!" ? Who knows, but it's associated with him, like "Go For It" is associated with Rocky, even though he didn't invent the phrase....mediocre example, but I think you get the idea...
The 97 RoseBowl is up for debate sure, I like the call, I think it was a classic play..and in a way, he WAS acknowledging the incredible football prowess of Jake Plummer LOL..but really, I mean, the Mets won the World Series in 1969, and Tommy Agee made a GREAT, GREAT catch, I'm sure you know of it..called by Curt Gowdy of course..I wonder if that's on the Curt Gowdy page..my point with this is that most everyone remembers the Miracle Mets of '69, but how many people except for die hard Mets fans and die hard sports fans, can recall the Agee catch? Or Don Clendenons (sp) ? I mean when all is said and done, there either are Brent fans or there aren't. He's never had a happy medium as we all know...it's hard to base an entry on "well, does a non sports fan know the moment?" Other than Michael Jordan or Ali, it's hard to ask a layman ANYTHING in terms of sports, (again, IMO),..it's like, the neutral people who come to this entry really can't make the distinction between the importance of Celtics/Suns 1976 over the 1997 RoseBowl.. so I think that those of us who have shaped this entry here (you and me included) are the ones who are fans of Brent as well as just making an encyclopedia entry in a generic sense (I mean, I can admit I am a huge Brent fan)...If you read the GQ article on Brent done about a month ago, you'll notice that the writer most certainly came to this page for research, so I would think we are doing something right! :)
And yes, the USC entry is ridiculously dated now eh? Thanks to UCLA...that's another reason why "brand new" Brent entries need time to see if they are relevant...more of my two cents here LOL
-- Stoogeyp 00:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
He is listed for winning the World Series of Poker is this vandalism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.57 ( talk) 23:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
As I noted in the above section a few years ago, the "Calls and utterances" section is populated mostly with stuff that is not the least bit encyclopedic or notable. It's really a lot more a means by which fans of particular teams can reminisce about great moments for their teams, than it is anything noteworthy about Musburger himself. Since then, Wikipedia policy has been updated to say "If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote", more or less addressing what I was talking about.
In accordance with that policy, I see that someone recently came along and quite rightly suggested that the stuff indeed be transwiki'd over to Wikiquote, so I've gone ahead and done that. I'd suggest that any "calls and utterances" added back to this Wikipedia article be accompanied by WP:RS citations that are specifically about what Musburger said (i.e. not just an article about the game in which he said it).
As I noted in the previous section, I would imagine it might indeed be possible to find such references to support the notability of "Holy Buckeye" or "You are looking LIVE ...", but I doubt seriously that there's much notability to be found for "It's a Louisiana Saturday night, alright" or "They won't go away". Mwelch ( talk) 02:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that despite efforts to create a page for some of Brent Musburger's most famous calls on Wikiquote, there is currently no page available. I am considering creating the page myself, but I need the revert to what was once the complete list of his famous calls in order to do this. Can someone offer me any assistance on this matter? If you have the list of his calls, it would be very helpful to establishing the Wikiquote page. Thanks! Brandon ( talk) 06:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Article doesn't explain what is exactly controversial about his statement? I understand some people allegedly complained, but can the reasonable unbiased person find anything offensive in this? I suggest article should either explain explicitly what is offensive about his statement. Otherwise this paragraph has to be removed. Yurivict ( talk) 23:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Before The NFL Today CBS hosted local studio pre-game, halftime, and post-game shows. Musberger was the Chicago host (Gil Stratton, Jr. was in Los Angeles, etc.) I believe it was a part-time job. He certainly had come from the print media, and probably was still a writer during the host phase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.16.240 ( talk) 05:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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I removed the remark about Musburger hating Notre Dame. I've listened to him for a number of years and have never found any evidence of this. There is no citation to back this up (no citations of any kind, for that matter), and I could find nothing anywhere on the Internet. Find some evidence (and link to it here), and you can put it back. Realkyhick 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove the NPOV notice until issues on this talk page have been resolved. This page will be submitted for semi-protection if bias claims are added to the page without citation. Cmprince 18:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Please work out your differences on the talk page. Please remember that any assertions of fact or opinion must be properly attributed and sourced or they may be summarily deleted. · Katefan0 (scribble)/ mrp 21:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. There is no good reason to delete the paraphrased commentary made by Musburger during the Fiesta Bowl. He made the remark about Tyler Hamby, thus he should be held accountable. Musburger crossed the line of neutrality on Monday evening, and people should know about it.
I do see what you mean in principle. However, paraphrasing text from the Fiesta Bowl is in no way editorializing. Sports journalism is based on the fundamental premise that the broadcaster should be neutral. Simply, he or she should call the game and color the teams and competition up a bit when time permits. Musberger made the Hamby comment when the game was within one touchdown. This involves much more than a few Irish fans being offended.
Being that the sports fans I've talked to seem to have strong opinions about Brent Musberger, he has clearly been a controversial figure, even before the Fiesta Bowl. I can say that I'm completely neutral on the guy, because I don't watch sports. It would not be fair to isolate a single controversial quote for presentation on Wikipedia because doing so would beg the question of motivation for isolating that quote. The user arguing for inclusion of the quote about the touchdown clearly believes that Musberger violated a standard of integrity in doing so, but the presentation of that POV is unacceptable unless presented in a subheading that would, I believe, need to include at least the following:
1. The direct quote from Musberger, including the full context; 2. Arguments for the contention that Musberger, as a sports journalist, violated accepted standards of professional integrity, with references to unbiased (or at least balanced) sources who discuss impartiality and bias-free reporting standards for sports journalists, including examples of past incidents, and preferably coming from other sports journalists (his peers), 3. Arguments for the contention that Musberger, as a sports journalist, did not violate any such standards, with similar references as in (2).
It would also be good to explore varying standards between sports journalists and news journalists.
Again, including the quote without full context and a fair discussion of the issues surrounding it would amount to expressing a POV. I'd argue against including the quote and discussion at all, but if it must be included, then someone's going to have to do the research. -- Maande10 11:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Bottom line, Brent Musburger is a controversial journalistic figure. In stating this, there is no POV being violated. It is rare to see journalists writing critcisms about their colleagues. Musburger is known for having a great voice, and sometimes allowing this "gift" to interfere with his job as a neutral play by play announcer. We should all take a look at some of the other sports related articles. Controversy is included.
This should be returned to the page, it has been taken down several times too. “Play-by-play announcer Brent Musburger had just finished calling the Huskers' game against Pittsburgh when he was cited near Memorial Stadium. Lincoln police said he was cited for consuming alcohol in public and having an open container in his car.” http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/4992183/detail.html
References
1.From the AP, "According to records from the Lincoln city attorney's office, Musburger paid the fine on Oct. 20 rather than show up in court. He was fined $50 for the open container of alcohol, $50 for drinking from it and $44 in court costs." http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/1121musburger-ON.html
HUH??? Who the heck cares how he pled? The "technicality" of his plea is completely irrelevant. Musberger was found guilty. That's all anybody needs to know.
2. Regarding Brent Musburger's questionable coverage of the United States vs. Iran Soccer game http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/soccer/longterm/worldcup98/columns/articles/waves28.htm
3. Regarding Brent Musburger's praise of certain players http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/2000/oct/10-31-2000/sports/03.html
4. Regarding Musburger's hyping certain players, and insulting Heisman voters who don't vote for Musburger's favorite: http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/5965773
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What's would be the criteria for a Musburger call to be considered "notable"? I mean, the first few are OK, as they are from moments that are truly among the most famous and well-known moments in the history of their respective sports. But random calls from an Ohio State/Purdue game in 2002 or Michigan/Iowa game in 1985? Why shouldn't every person just put in whatever Musburger said the last time he called our favorite team having an exciting moment or big win? Mwelch 18:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the Michigan/Iowa one may be a little scarce in terms of high recognition, but certainly "Holy Buckeye" (the Ohio State/Purdue game) is an instant classic. Another reason for it's justified entry IMO is that it's a "classic Brent call", but one that came later in Brent's life as he nears 70. Basically to me, the criteria for a "notable" call or utterance is one that compliments a classic visual moment in a particularly classic game in sports history. Pretty much every entry fits in someway or another. With Musburger, it's easy to put in every quote, because of the way Brents cool bombast makes it so, but to me, and I have put a few entries in the Calls and Utterances section, it must be a call that compliments a classic moment. -- Stoogeyp 02:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Good points. I'll have to defend the Yankees/Mariners one however, because except for CBS radio, Brent NEVER did baseball on TV, in fact, it was like that brief time in 1995 on ABC that he did (I believe), so in that context, I would defend the Edgar Martinez winning RBI double call (and I'm a YANKEE fan nonetheless! Boy was that a heartbreaker when I saw that live..but I digress LOL), only for the fact that it was a rare classic baseball BRENT call, and again, since there isn't much to go from with Brent and Baseball, that call should stay (IMO)...
Brent in recent years has been associated with the "Footrace" call...now if we were to say who really owns what, we could both go to the Marv Albert page and pull things, cause Marty Glickman said em (maybe invented them) first, same with Chick Hearn. There is no ownership implied of course of who said what first and all, I mean the urban legend is that Brent invented "March Madness" and I'll bet that as many people who agree with that, disagree with that. Was he the first ever to utter "You Are Looking Live!" ? Who knows, but it's associated with him, like "Go For It" is associated with Rocky, even though he didn't invent the phrase....mediocre example, but I think you get the idea...
The 97 RoseBowl is up for debate sure, I like the call, I think it was a classic play..and in a way, he WAS acknowledging the incredible football prowess of Jake Plummer LOL..but really, I mean, the Mets won the World Series in 1969, and Tommy Agee made a GREAT, GREAT catch, I'm sure you know of it..called by Curt Gowdy of course..I wonder if that's on the Curt Gowdy page..my point with this is that most everyone remembers the Miracle Mets of '69, but how many people except for die hard Mets fans and die hard sports fans, can recall the Agee catch? Or Don Clendenons (sp) ? I mean when all is said and done, there either are Brent fans or there aren't. He's never had a happy medium as we all know...it's hard to base an entry on "well, does a non sports fan know the moment?" Other than Michael Jordan or Ali, it's hard to ask a layman ANYTHING in terms of sports, (again, IMO),..it's like, the neutral people who come to this entry really can't make the distinction between the importance of Celtics/Suns 1976 over the 1997 RoseBowl.. so I think that those of us who have shaped this entry here (you and me included) are the ones who are fans of Brent as well as just making an encyclopedia entry in a generic sense (I mean, I can admit I am a huge Brent fan)...If you read the GQ article on Brent done about a month ago, you'll notice that the writer most certainly came to this page for research, so I would think we are doing something right! :)
And yes, the USC entry is ridiculously dated now eh? Thanks to UCLA...that's another reason why "brand new" Brent entries need time to see if they are relevant...more of my two cents here LOL
-- Stoogeyp 00:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
He is listed for winning the World Series of Poker is this vandalism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.57 ( talk) 23:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
As I noted in the above section a few years ago, the "Calls and utterances" section is populated mostly with stuff that is not the least bit encyclopedic or notable. It's really a lot more a means by which fans of particular teams can reminisce about great moments for their teams, than it is anything noteworthy about Musburger himself. Since then, Wikipedia policy has been updated to say "If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote", more or less addressing what I was talking about.
In accordance with that policy, I see that someone recently came along and quite rightly suggested that the stuff indeed be transwiki'd over to Wikiquote, so I've gone ahead and done that. I'd suggest that any "calls and utterances" added back to this Wikipedia article be accompanied by WP:RS citations that are specifically about what Musburger said (i.e. not just an article about the game in which he said it).
As I noted in the previous section, I would imagine it might indeed be possible to find such references to support the notability of "Holy Buckeye" or "You are looking LIVE ...", but I doubt seriously that there's much notability to be found for "It's a Louisiana Saturday night, alright" or "They won't go away". Mwelch ( talk) 02:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that despite efforts to create a page for some of Brent Musburger's most famous calls on Wikiquote, there is currently no page available. I am considering creating the page myself, but I need the revert to what was once the complete list of his famous calls in order to do this. Can someone offer me any assistance on this matter? If you have the list of his calls, it would be very helpful to establishing the Wikiquote page. Thanks! Brandon ( talk) 06:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Article doesn't explain what is exactly controversial about his statement? I understand some people allegedly complained, but can the reasonable unbiased person find anything offensive in this? I suggest article should either explain explicitly what is offensive about his statement. Otherwise this paragraph has to be removed. Yurivict ( talk) 23:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Before The NFL Today CBS hosted local studio pre-game, halftime, and post-game shows. Musberger was the Chicago host (Gil Stratton, Jr. was in Los Angeles, etc.) I believe it was a part-time job. He certainly had come from the print media, and probably was still a writer during the host phase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.16.240 ( talk) 05:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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