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Requested move 26 August 2016
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As you said, {{surname}} pages tend to devote at least some space to the surname origins, and are mostly used for notable, often-used ones Judging from the first page of
Category:Surnames, that doesn't really seem to be true; most name pages are just
WP:SETINDEXes, with maybe one sentence at most about the surname's origins.
210.6.254.106 (
talk)
08:30, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Avotaynu (magazine) may or may not be usable, but being mentioned in a massive list of many names with no other context or information is not persuasive.
Reliable sources are needed, and even if every examples happens to be Jewish, we need a reliable source saying that the name is Jewish, otherwise it's
original research, which is not acceptable. Nasty personal attacks, sock puppetry, and edit warring are also not productive, and your edits can and will be reverted on that basis alone.
Grayfell (
talk)
00:05, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm restoring this after a lengthy edit war so that this suggestion can be addressed separate from the severe personal attacks from the IP editor. It was further suggested to use a page on Ancestry.com as a source, but that is also not acceptable for the reasons that Grayfell pointed out, as well as the fact that Ancestry is a user-contributed site which is usually not acceptable as a
reliable source anyway. The fact that three individuals with this surname are of Jewish heritage is not usable as evidence that the name itself is of Jewish origin. We would need a reliable source to specifically state that its origin is Jewish.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits)
01:07, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
It's worth researching, but someone familiar with genealogy would have better results than me. Andrew Breitbart has been posthumously roped into a number of antisemitic conspiracy theories and similar (
Triple parentheses for example), which, I suspect, is why this is so contentious. Even without that, sources need to be good quality for
WP:BLP reasons.
Grayfell (
talk)
01:23, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Hmm, would
surnamedb.com be more reliable? It's related to Ancestry but it doesn't look like it's pulling info from a user forum like Ancestry often does. This site does suggest a German origin but says nothing of it being Jewish. I'll see what
WP:ANTHROPONYMY has to say.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits)
01:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 26 August 2016
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
As you said, {{surname}} pages tend to devote at least some space to the surname origins, and are mostly used for notable, often-used ones Judging from the first page of
Category:Surnames, that doesn't really seem to be true; most name pages are just
WP:SETINDEXes, with maybe one sentence at most about the surname's origins.
210.6.254.106 (
talk)
08:30, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Avotaynu (magazine) may or may not be usable, but being mentioned in a massive list of many names with no other context or information is not persuasive.
Reliable sources are needed, and even if every examples happens to be Jewish, we need a reliable source saying that the name is Jewish, otherwise it's
original research, which is not acceptable. Nasty personal attacks, sock puppetry, and edit warring are also not productive, and your edits can and will be reverted on that basis alone.
Grayfell (
talk)
00:05, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I'm restoring this after a lengthy edit war so that this suggestion can be addressed separate from the severe personal attacks from the IP editor. It was further suggested to use a page on Ancestry.com as a source, but that is also not acceptable for the reasons that Grayfell pointed out, as well as the fact that Ancestry is a user-contributed site which is usually not acceptable as a
reliable source anyway. The fact that three individuals with this surname are of Jewish heritage is not usable as evidence that the name itself is of Jewish origin. We would need a reliable source to specifically state that its origin is Jewish.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits)
01:07, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
It's worth researching, but someone familiar with genealogy would have better results than me. Andrew Breitbart has been posthumously roped into a number of antisemitic conspiracy theories and similar (
Triple parentheses for example), which, I suspect, is why this is so contentious. Even without that, sources need to be good quality for
WP:BLP reasons.
Grayfell (
talk)
01:23, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Hmm, would
surnamedb.com be more reliable? It's related to Ancestry but it doesn't look like it's pulling info from a user forum like Ancestry often does. This site does suggest a German origin but says nothing of it being Jewish. I'll see what
WP:ANTHROPONYMY has to say.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits)
01:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)reply