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Her verified Twitter account says born in Australia. Generally assumption is birth location is nationality absent some stated exceptional circumstance. Australia has a form of jus soli ( Australian nationality law), not strict like the U.S. but still exceptionally unlikely won't be Australian. Dual nationality as American as well should have a reference showing naturalization. Her IMDb bio written by someone who purports to have the same last name says dual national but we can't use IMDb bios as a reference. Still adds some slight confirmation to the Australian part. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 16:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
WP:BLPLEAD has more to say about what should be in intro. Generally don't mention country of birth unless part of why notable. Nationality, citizenship or where permanent resident, when notable, is generally the adjective modifier on notable occupation but still needs to be referenced. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 17:06, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
We probably have enough to support dual national. The timing does sort of matter. She could be American by birth because of having American parents living outside the US and Australian by birth location to explain dual nationality. If that is the case, then the article should call her and consider her an American actress with her birth location nationality somewhat irrelevant. If she moved to the US in 2008 as the article claims and became naturalized after 2013 based on the 5 years that normally takes we should include Australian as part of her context description. I wish we had details. Based on a strict reading of WP:BLPLEAD, all her notable activies were as a US resident so that should be sufficient to call her an American actress in the intro section context with infobox showing both and explanation in the personal life section. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 19:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Are you a big fan of Breanna Yde Geraldo Perez? Jhan Alino ( talk) 22:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
And also go to YouTube and find Her youtube channel: Breanna Yde and watch Q & A with Breanna Yde Jhan Alino ( talk) 22:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Geraldo Perez: Based on this discussion, would you support the recent attempt by an IP to call her "an Australian-American actress" in the lede?... If not, do you have any suggestions on how this should be handled now? TIA. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:36, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Breanna Yde is not an Australian actress. She is indeed an actress who was born in Australia, but she immigrated to America when she was two and has only ever worked as an American actress. The phrase Australian actress implies that she worked as an actress in the country of Australia. That is factually incorrect and should be removed. 72.130.22.43 ( talk) 21:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
I have restored this article's original 'mdy dates' format that were changed in September 2016 without discussion. While the article subject may have been born in Australia, this appears to effectively a formality, as she is primarily known as an "American actress" (i.e. roles have all been on American TV shows, and she shows no trace of a foreign accent, and apparently was raised in the U.S.). Additionally, article and reference date formats should not be changed without discussion and consensus as per WP:DATERET ( WP:DATETIES does not overrule that in a marginal case such as this one) and WP:CITESTYLE (and WP:CITEVAR). So there needs to be discussion before the date formats are changed away from the original, which I have restored in the meantime. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 03:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
I know this article is not a big article full of details but it is a good Start and it does have some information and the information provided is all properly referenced. It doesn't take much to be Start class, and this article is already not a Stub. Look at documentation, the requirements are not high. -- 109.79.182.247 ( talk) 02:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
IJBall she DID act as one of the important characters in Malibu Rescue and is the ONLY movie\show on Netflix with her acting in it. I understand that you did not state the fact that she wasn't in it I'm just saying this in general for the knowledge of other people. Elise Dances ( talk) 21:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
What school does she go too Mileage Mdluli ( talk) 22:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Apologies for making edits that seemed disruptive; that was definitely not my intention. I wanted to add information on her music career, and I clearly overstepped. But if you'll look at Breanna's verified Twitter account [1], you can see that it's primarily promoting music (her old account under her full name is being held by a fan as a placeholder) [2]. I thought linking to her recently released digital single [3] and her official bio on Spotify would affirm this shift. Again, many apologies! -- Mauradotcom ( talk) 20:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Why wouldn't we add her singer career to her Wikipedia page. It seems to be the main thing she is focused on at the minute. And she has kind of seemed to change her entire brand / look for it so it seems significant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyhetrick ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I also think Teen Vogue and Billboard qualify as reputable sources for her music career. [5] [6] [7] Jemgrrrl ( talk) 06:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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I'm OK with either notation in the lede, as I've noted at least a couple of editors remove "child" recently, after Yde turned 18. I will say, though, that "actress" encompasses her whole career, whether or not she has any adult roles. Thus, for me at least, I see no reason to revert the removal of "child".
Now I know I'm going into WP:OSE territory here, but I remember a small discussion on Rowan Blanchard's talk page about almost the same thing a handful of years ago, about the use of "child actress" vs. "teen actress" in the lede of the article, when she was 13 and still on Girl Meets World. (Discussion here.) Geraldo Perez participated in that discussion, and he had no issue with removing "child" or "teen". I did point out in that discussion that there was no adjective at all in the ledes for Sabrina Carpenter and Peyton List, even though both were under 18 at the time. I've also noted that "child" (or "teen" for that matter) was not in the lede descriptions for Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega when they were on Disney Channel in Bizaardvark and Stuck in the Middle, respectively. (Examples from December 2017, [1] [2], when they were active with these projects, and were both under 18.) The point is that the use of "child actress" or "teen actress" is not applied consistently across the various BLPs concerning those under 18, and from the consensus in these articles, "actress" is sufficient. (I'm getting the same vibe with the young male stars, where we could see "child actor" or "teen actor", or just simply "actor", stated in their Wikipedia article ledes, although I haven't confirmed that as yet.)
Just a little something to chew on, even though I will respect the WP:LOCALCONSENSUS regarding this matter. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 23:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
"Other editors believe the "child" adjective should be there until she has some more acting roles..."
No, that's not it – she will always be a "child actress", which means that information should always be included in the lede. It's just that, in Yde's case, she's never even had "adult roles" either, so right now she's "only" a "child actress". But even if she books a major feature film role tomorrow, she will still have started out as a "child actress", and that will always need to be reflected in the lede. --
IJBall (
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why is it always you two trying to gate keep everything 🤣 Whyryan? ( talk) 23:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
In the Personal life section, one sentence reads Yde has stated she is a dual citizen of Australia and the United States.
, and is backed by just one source accessed in 2017, her (verified) Facebook account, back then. Looking at that account now, it appears to have been cleaned out and is no longer an active account of hers, so effectively the sentence I mentioned from the article is no longer sourced, nor is the citizenship mention in the infobox. I am not sure how to handle this exactly ... remove the source and tag with {{
cn}} or remove the content altogether. BLP policy leans toward the latter.
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Hey there, just noticed that my edits were reverted by MPFitz1968, which is fine. I'm just trying to build the page out and was attempting to start with de-cluttering the lede and infobox and hopefully providing better sourcing for some information. But, my ultimate goal is to create a slightly larger "Career" section that mentions both her acting and singing. From what I've seen, there seem to be enough sources that discuss her music career for it to at least be mentioned in the lede and later in the Career section, but I'm not attempting to diminish her acting (which it's clear she's better known for). It's just that most of the recent sources that discuss her career are focused on her music, so maybe I was a little influenced by recency bias when editing the lede/infobox. I made an additional edit in the Career section so you can see the direction I'm trying to go. Thanks Gargleafg ( talk) 18:02, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi again. I noticed my edits were reverted for a second time. Again, no worries. I am simply trying to understand the rationale behind it. (I'll just tag everyone who seems to have some investment in this topic: Amaury, MPFitz1968, and IJBall). I am more-or-less familiar with the Notability rules on Wikipedia, but in this particular situation, I believe those rules don't necessarily apply based on WP:NNC. My rationale is that she is already notable and that a career shift toward music that is documented in several publications would warrant inclusion in both the lede and infobox (which seems to be the issue in contention here). It is not my intention to give undue weight to her music career, but it also does seem to be a (verifiable) fact that she is a musician. Of course, I'm open to any further discussion (and I'll refrain from editing the page until the issue is resolved). Thanks! Gargleafg ( talk) 03:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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I see that further commentary about this topic has taken place, so I'll just pose the question here for a broader discussion. Given more recent sources about Yde's career, should the lede include mention that she is a musical artist as well as an actor? Gargleafg ( talk) 18:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
this whole discussion is ridiculous. Wikipedia is meant to explore all aspects of a celebrities career.
First of all, Breanna Yde now wants to be known as YDE, this is her stage name and that should be respected. The fact that her music career is irrelevant ironically lacks relevance in this subject
Second of all, relevance doesn't mean anything, she is now a singer/songwriter in her own right moreso than an actress. I know people who only know her as a singer, so they would be very confused to search her name up and not find that she is a singer. It makes no sense, success shouldn't mean anything, she has clearly changed her whole appearance and name to not be known as a child actress anymore and its disrespectful for us not to acknowledge that
The picture is from 2016 when she was a child actress, she is now 20 years old when is this going to be updated
I tried to update this article and everything I did was deleted including "In May 2023 she announced she was recording a new album", why was this deleted? She did announce she was recording a new album 213.1.3.149 ( talk) 20:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
She is 20. She either is an actress, but not a child actress, or a former child actress. Calling her a child actress in the present tense does not make any sense. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
She mentions here in this interview with Zach Sang that she was born in Randwick, New South Wales. Can we use this source here? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMs99zUEIs 2600:100C:A20C:6C0F:7091:3CCC:3E1C:6A00 ( talk) 02:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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Her verified Twitter account says born in Australia. Generally assumption is birth location is nationality absent some stated exceptional circumstance. Australia has a form of jus soli ( Australian nationality law), not strict like the U.S. but still exceptionally unlikely won't be Australian. Dual nationality as American as well should have a reference showing naturalization. Her IMDb bio written by someone who purports to have the same last name says dual national but we can't use IMDb bios as a reference. Still adds some slight confirmation to the Australian part. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 16:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
WP:BLPLEAD has more to say about what should be in intro. Generally don't mention country of birth unless part of why notable. Nationality, citizenship or where permanent resident, when notable, is generally the adjective modifier on notable occupation but still needs to be referenced. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 17:06, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
We probably have enough to support dual national. The timing does sort of matter. She could be American by birth because of having American parents living outside the US and Australian by birth location to explain dual nationality. If that is the case, then the article should call her and consider her an American actress with her birth location nationality somewhat irrelevant. If she moved to the US in 2008 as the article claims and became naturalized after 2013 based on the 5 years that normally takes we should include Australian as part of her context description. I wish we had details. Based on a strict reading of WP:BLPLEAD, all her notable activies were as a US resident so that should be sufficient to call her an American actress in the intro section context with infobox showing both and explanation in the personal life section. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 19:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Are you a big fan of Breanna Yde Geraldo Perez? Jhan Alino ( talk) 22:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
And also go to YouTube and find Her youtube channel: Breanna Yde and watch Q & A with Breanna Yde Jhan Alino ( talk) 22:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Geraldo Perez: Based on this discussion, would you support the recent attempt by an IP to call her "an Australian-American actress" in the lede?... If not, do you have any suggestions on how this should be handled now? TIA. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:36, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Breanna Yde is not an Australian actress. She is indeed an actress who was born in Australia, but she immigrated to America when she was two and has only ever worked as an American actress. The phrase Australian actress implies that she worked as an actress in the country of Australia. That is factually incorrect and should be removed. 72.130.22.43 ( talk) 21:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
I have restored this article's original 'mdy dates' format that were changed in September 2016 without discussion. While the article subject may have been born in Australia, this appears to effectively a formality, as she is primarily known as an "American actress" (i.e. roles have all been on American TV shows, and she shows no trace of a foreign accent, and apparently was raised in the U.S.). Additionally, article and reference date formats should not be changed without discussion and consensus as per WP:DATERET ( WP:DATETIES does not overrule that in a marginal case such as this one) and WP:CITESTYLE (and WP:CITEVAR). So there needs to be discussion before the date formats are changed away from the original, which I have restored in the meantime. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 03:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
I know this article is not a big article full of details but it is a good Start and it does have some information and the information provided is all properly referenced. It doesn't take much to be Start class, and this article is already not a Stub. Look at documentation, the requirements are not high. -- 109.79.182.247 ( talk) 02:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
IJBall she DID act as one of the important characters in Malibu Rescue and is the ONLY movie\show on Netflix with her acting in it. I understand that you did not state the fact that she wasn't in it I'm just saying this in general for the knowledge of other people. Elise Dances ( talk) 21:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
What school does she go too Mileage Mdluli ( talk) 22:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Apologies for making edits that seemed disruptive; that was definitely not my intention. I wanted to add information on her music career, and I clearly overstepped. But if you'll look at Breanna's verified Twitter account [1], you can see that it's primarily promoting music (her old account under her full name is being held by a fan as a placeholder) [2]. I thought linking to her recently released digital single [3] and her official bio on Spotify would affirm this shift. Again, many apologies! -- Mauradotcom ( talk) 20:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
References
Why wouldn't we add her singer career to her Wikipedia page. It seems to be the main thing she is focused on at the minute. And she has kind of seemed to change her entire brand / look for it so it seems significant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyhetrick ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I also think Teen Vogue and Billboard qualify as reputable sources for her music career. [5] [6] [7] Jemgrrrl ( talk) 06:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
References
I'm OK with either notation in the lede, as I've noted at least a couple of editors remove "child" recently, after Yde turned 18. I will say, though, that "actress" encompasses her whole career, whether or not she has any adult roles. Thus, for me at least, I see no reason to revert the removal of "child".
Now I know I'm going into WP:OSE territory here, but I remember a small discussion on Rowan Blanchard's talk page about almost the same thing a handful of years ago, about the use of "child actress" vs. "teen actress" in the lede of the article, when she was 13 and still on Girl Meets World. (Discussion here.) Geraldo Perez participated in that discussion, and he had no issue with removing "child" or "teen". I did point out in that discussion that there was no adjective at all in the ledes for Sabrina Carpenter and Peyton List, even though both were under 18 at the time. I've also noted that "child" (or "teen" for that matter) was not in the lede descriptions for Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega when they were on Disney Channel in Bizaardvark and Stuck in the Middle, respectively. (Examples from December 2017, [1] [2], when they were active with these projects, and were both under 18.) The point is that the use of "child actress" or "teen actress" is not applied consistently across the various BLPs concerning those under 18, and from the consensus in these articles, "actress" is sufficient. (I'm getting the same vibe with the young male stars, where we could see "child actor" or "teen actor", or just simply "actor", stated in their Wikipedia article ledes, although I haven't confirmed that as yet.)
Just a little something to chew on, even though I will respect the WP:LOCALCONSENSUS regarding this matter. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 23:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
"Other editors believe the "child" adjective should be there until she has some more acting roles..."
No, that's not it – she will always be a "child actress", which means that information should always be included in the lede. It's just that, in Yde's case, she's never even had "adult roles" either, so right now she's "only" a "child actress". But even if she books a major feature film role tomorrow, she will still have started out as a "child actress", and that will always need to be reflected in the lede. --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
16:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
why is it always you two trying to gate keep everything 🤣 Whyryan? ( talk) 23:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
In the Personal life section, one sentence reads Yde has stated she is a dual citizen of Australia and the United States.
, and is backed by just one source accessed in 2017, her (verified) Facebook account, back then. Looking at that account now, it appears to have been cleaned out and is no longer an active account of hers, so effectively the sentence I mentioned from the article is no longer sourced, nor is the citizenship mention in the infobox. I am not sure how to handle this exactly ... remove the source and tag with {{
cn}} or remove the content altogether. BLP policy leans toward the latter.
MPFitz1968 (
talk)
23:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Hey there, just noticed that my edits were reverted by MPFitz1968, which is fine. I'm just trying to build the page out and was attempting to start with de-cluttering the lede and infobox and hopefully providing better sourcing for some information. But, my ultimate goal is to create a slightly larger "Career" section that mentions both her acting and singing. From what I've seen, there seem to be enough sources that discuss her music career for it to at least be mentioned in the lede and later in the Career section, but I'm not attempting to diminish her acting (which it's clear she's better known for). It's just that most of the recent sources that discuss her career are focused on her music, so maybe I was a little influenced by recency bias when editing the lede/infobox. I made an additional edit in the Career section so you can see the direction I'm trying to go. Thanks Gargleafg ( talk) 18:02, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi again. I noticed my edits were reverted for a second time. Again, no worries. I am simply trying to understand the rationale behind it. (I'll just tag everyone who seems to have some investment in this topic: Amaury, MPFitz1968, and IJBall). I am more-or-less familiar with the Notability rules on Wikipedia, but in this particular situation, I believe those rules don't necessarily apply based on WP:NNC. My rationale is that she is already notable and that a career shift toward music that is documented in several publications would warrant inclusion in both the lede and infobox (which seems to be the issue in contention here). It is not my intention to give undue weight to her music career, but it also does seem to be a (verifiable) fact that she is a musician. Of course, I'm open to any further discussion (and I'll refrain from editing the page until the issue is resolved). Thanks! Gargleafg ( talk) 03:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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I see that further commentary about this topic has taken place, so I'll just pose the question here for a broader discussion. Given more recent sources about Yde's career, should the lede include mention that she is a musical artist as well as an actor? Gargleafg ( talk) 18:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
this whole discussion is ridiculous. Wikipedia is meant to explore all aspects of a celebrities career.
First of all, Breanna Yde now wants to be known as YDE, this is her stage name and that should be respected. The fact that her music career is irrelevant ironically lacks relevance in this subject
Second of all, relevance doesn't mean anything, she is now a singer/songwriter in her own right moreso than an actress. I know people who only know her as a singer, so they would be very confused to search her name up and not find that she is a singer. It makes no sense, success shouldn't mean anything, she has clearly changed her whole appearance and name to not be known as a child actress anymore and its disrespectful for us not to acknowledge that
The picture is from 2016 when she was a child actress, she is now 20 years old when is this going to be updated
I tried to update this article and everything I did was deleted including "In May 2023 she announced she was recording a new album", why was this deleted? She did announce she was recording a new album 213.1.3.149 ( talk) 20:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
She is 20. She either is an actress, but not a child actress, or a former child actress. Calling her a child actress in the present tense does not make any sense. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
She mentions here in this interview with Zach Sang that she was born in Randwick, New South Wales. Can we use this source here? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMs99zUEIs 2600:100C:A20C:6C0F:7091:3CCC:3E1C:6A00 ( talk) 02:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)