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I find the claim about breakcore being an "attitude", like punk, very vague. I mean, what is this "attitude"? If you take a look at the Punk ideologies page, you'll find that pretty much every position imaginable has been associated with punk rock. I understand that the idea is that breakcore producers don't wish to be pigeonholed and rather adhere to principles of constant innovation, avant-gardism, oppositional and critical viewpoints, etc., but frankly I'm not sure how compatible that is with discussions of genre. Maybe individual producers choose to constantly break out of previously established parameters, but in that case they should be developing a new style, rather than continuing to call their work "breakcore". I mean, the genre's existed for more than a decade now, right? Aryder779 ( talk) 02:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
shutup droon, your music is awful —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkeyatemydog ( talk • contribs) 11:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Raggacore is a tiny article that seems to be grasping for relevance. I mean, "Run the Place Red remix", seriousy? Great, great, great song and all, but it's Richard D. James' only contribution to ragga/breakcore and it hasn't reinvented the style at all or done anything we didn't think was capable before. Breakcore takes a lot of forms, it's a broad genre, to call raggacore a significant subgenre based on some ragga rhythms and vocals goes too far, I would say. Are Durmcorps, Sangre, Bong-Ra's 'Full Metal Racket' and Hecate different enough and most of all, are those differences significant enough to have a separate article on breakcore/metal hybrids? I wouldn't say so. ESPECIALLY since "raggacore" is pretty insignificant on the broader musical scale since breakcore more than accurately describes it as well, I really don't think we need a separate article for it. Wouldn't it better to add the raggacore part to this article, and reduce the number of examples to FFF, LFO Demon and perhaps Bong-Ra and 2 or 3 others?
Also, should we reference IDM as an influence on breakcore? IDM doesn't seem to be a genre as much as a way for the rock press to categorize ambient techno, jungle, breakcore, downtempo, trip-hop, ambient house, glitch and so on as an indie rock friendly entity to market to people who are scared off by the words 'techno' or 'house'. Apparently, Squarepusher is every bit as "IDM" as Kettel, both kickass musicians, but I fail to see how they're that similar at all. Reducing the primary influences of breakcore in the first paragraph to jungle/dnb, hardcore techno (which would including anything from gabber to speedcore) and perhaps noise or industrial or glitch (I guess it depnds on what's best sourced) would suit the article much better and make it a lot more clear to the casual reader. IDM is a term that hasn't truly been adopted by anyone because it encompasses things we already have words for and mainly seems to be used by people outside of electronic music, so I don't see why it should be used in this article. If IDM is meant to be synonymous with "Planet Mu/Warp/Rephlex" records, then I feel like Warp records should be named an influence (if we can find sources that back up that claim, but Venetian Snares has named Luke Vibert an influence and Droon has named Squarepusher and Aphex Twin influences on his myspace). Rephlex is a vanity label of Warp and Planet Mu is a top producer of breakcore anyway. Thoughts? Seeofseaof ( talk) 14:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
You seem to think what i think Seeofseaof :) I think both raggacore and IDM are unnecessary. Youve already stated what i also think about them. It seems like people that are not really into the scene what IDM is uses it to label everything that is "irregular electronic music" because theyre uncertain what to say about it or something. However, Intelligent Dance Music is a stupid term. I mean, whats so intelligent about it? Also, I dont think IDM has influenced breakcore a lot since i dont hear that. No one would say breakcore has much in common with for example Autechre, right? Also, whats IDM, could really be any subgenre in electronic music, so how could we be sure what has influenced it really, just be saying IDM? :) No sir, i dont like it at all! // Sculpted Noise —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.219.145 ( talk) 20:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
There are some odd links on the breakcore wikipedia entry. What exactly are the rules about adding links to this article? Some communities are mentioned but sites like http://www.breakcore.nl/ and http://unitedelementsofhate.net are not listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaap3 ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see the addition of Planet MU records and Sublight Records (two highly popular underground labels which adopted and helped develop breakcore) and artists Venetian Snares, Aphex Twin, the Flashbulb and Squarepusher as influential artists (for obvious reasons). Anyone who does not agree to this should see the massive Venetian Snares thread on the www.Ihatebreakcore.com forum, or the sheer amounts of VS hits on YouTube. Lemphek of ASMS. 129.96.126.4 ( talk) 04:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's nice to see a section, but could it be rewritten? I've had this in mind:
Breakcore is hard to accurately describe and musicians like Electric Kettle, Drop the Lime and Christoph Fringeli have argued that breakcore is a catch-all term that encompasses various related, though different styles of electronic music that are related through mindset rather than sound. Regardless, there seems to be a common element of aggression or chaos, unconventional song structures and sudden shifts of rhythm in breakcore music. Perhaps the most defining characteristic of breakcore is the drum work which more often than not is based on the manipulation of the Amen Break and other classic jungle and hip-hop breaks in high BPM which are frequently distorted to make them sound more aggressive. Distorted Roland TR-909 bass drum sounds aren't uncommon either, which has led to breakcore, either mockingly or affectionately, to be referred to as "gabber kicks and Amen breaks" and while that formula is prominent in a lot of breakcore, it's certainly not a necessity or the end all, be all characteristic of the style.
I thought it describes the genre as accurately as possible without giving people the impression that it is limited to "gabber kicks and Amen breaks", though I'm afraid it mostly describes what it 'doesn't sound like', if that makes sense. We could get rid of the "Amen break" section and just link to it through the description... not even the drum n bass article has a separate Amen break section and I would argue that the break is more important to the genre than it is to breakcore. Yay? Nay? Seeofseaof ( talk) 08:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I say yay to that. If you ask me, people often seem to think its all about the amen break, the gabber kicks and the hard distorted bass, but that doesnt always have too be the case. The more it focuses on those particular ingredients, the more it becomes a recipe of how to make breakcore, and when that happens, we have kind of lost the whole idea about a lack of musical rules. Just look at this: http://72.249.77.26/~flabs//wiki/index.php/Breakcore#What_is_Breakcore.3F Thats the kind of stuff i want to avoid... // Sculpted Noise
Alright, less talk, more action. I'll make some changes since very few people are discussing things here to improve it. Understandable. Thank you to the people who agreed with me so far!
I'm removing all the 'stylistic origins' bar drum n bass (which includes jungle) and hardcore and perhaps industrial. Plenty of breakcore is not influenced by any other genres mentioned and the whole 'jungle vs dnb' debate is silly and the layman doesn't even care. I'm also removing the word 'IDM' for aforementioned reasons (courtesy of Sculpted Noise): no one KNOWS what 'IDM' is, so how do we know it has influenced breakcore? I'll rewrite what I see fit. Don't like it? Change it back and discuss it here. Seeofseaof ( talk) 19:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is a mess. It makes me cry. Anyone have suggestions for reliable, secondary sources so we can start weeding out the non-notable stuff? Print and web are okay, but, please, reliable sources. czar · · 06:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
@ Ftiercel: nice rewrite, but it would have been helpful to have pushed the changes in increments, because the diff is currently unreadable. czar ♔ 18:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so enough with the frequent changes in "stylistic origins". Please bring reliable sources that clearly connect breakcore with any said genre here for discussion before adding or removing any more. czar ♔ 22:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, what does an artist need to qualify for an article? Hecate is a complete nobody in the breakcore scene, yet has an article, but Igorrr, who's music changed the entire genre the same way Venetian Snares's changed the genre a decade ago, doesn't have an article. I know it's not a problem of notability because he has an article on the french wikipedia, is it just a lack of interest?
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I’m working on producing a short breakcore sample to replace the current one. Zanahary ( talk) 07:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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I find the claim about breakcore being an "attitude", like punk, very vague. I mean, what is this "attitude"? If you take a look at the Punk ideologies page, you'll find that pretty much every position imaginable has been associated with punk rock. I understand that the idea is that breakcore producers don't wish to be pigeonholed and rather adhere to principles of constant innovation, avant-gardism, oppositional and critical viewpoints, etc., but frankly I'm not sure how compatible that is with discussions of genre. Maybe individual producers choose to constantly break out of previously established parameters, but in that case they should be developing a new style, rather than continuing to call their work "breakcore". I mean, the genre's existed for more than a decade now, right? Aryder779 ( talk) 02:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
shutup droon, your music is awful —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkeyatemydog ( talk • contribs) 11:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Raggacore is a tiny article that seems to be grasping for relevance. I mean, "Run the Place Red remix", seriousy? Great, great, great song and all, but it's Richard D. James' only contribution to ragga/breakcore and it hasn't reinvented the style at all or done anything we didn't think was capable before. Breakcore takes a lot of forms, it's a broad genre, to call raggacore a significant subgenre based on some ragga rhythms and vocals goes too far, I would say. Are Durmcorps, Sangre, Bong-Ra's 'Full Metal Racket' and Hecate different enough and most of all, are those differences significant enough to have a separate article on breakcore/metal hybrids? I wouldn't say so. ESPECIALLY since "raggacore" is pretty insignificant on the broader musical scale since breakcore more than accurately describes it as well, I really don't think we need a separate article for it. Wouldn't it better to add the raggacore part to this article, and reduce the number of examples to FFF, LFO Demon and perhaps Bong-Ra and 2 or 3 others?
Also, should we reference IDM as an influence on breakcore? IDM doesn't seem to be a genre as much as a way for the rock press to categorize ambient techno, jungle, breakcore, downtempo, trip-hop, ambient house, glitch and so on as an indie rock friendly entity to market to people who are scared off by the words 'techno' or 'house'. Apparently, Squarepusher is every bit as "IDM" as Kettel, both kickass musicians, but I fail to see how they're that similar at all. Reducing the primary influences of breakcore in the first paragraph to jungle/dnb, hardcore techno (which would including anything from gabber to speedcore) and perhaps noise or industrial or glitch (I guess it depnds on what's best sourced) would suit the article much better and make it a lot more clear to the casual reader. IDM is a term that hasn't truly been adopted by anyone because it encompasses things we already have words for and mainly seems to be used by people outside of electronic music, so I don't see why it should be used in this article. If IDM is meant to be synonymous with "Planet Mu/Warp/Rephlex" records, then I feel like Warp records should be named an influence (if we can find sources that back up that claim, but Venetian Snares has named Luke Vibert an influence and Droon has named Squarepusher and Aphex Twin influences on his myspace). Rephlex is a vanity label of Warp and Planet Mu is a top producer of breakcore anyway. Thoughts? Seeofseaof ( talk) 14:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
You seem to think what i think Seeofseaof :) I think both raggacore and IDM are unnecessary. Youve already stated what i also think about them. It seems like people that are not really into the scene what IDM is uses it to label everything that is "irregular electronic music" because theyre uncertain what to say about it or something. However, Intelligent Dance Music is a stupid term. I mean, whats so intelligent about it? Also, I dont think IDM has influenced breakcore a lot since i dont hear that. No one would say breakcore has much in common with for example Autechre, right? Also, whats IDM, could really be any subgenre in electronic music, so how could we be sure what has influenced it really, just be saying IDM? :) No sir, i dont like it at all! // Sculpted Noise —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.219.145 ( talk) 20:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
There are some odd links on the breakcore wikipedia entry. What exactly are the rules about adding links to this article? Some communities are mentioned but sites like http://www.breakcore.nl/ and http://unitedelementsofhate.net are not listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaap3 ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see the addition of Planet MU records and Sublight Records (two highly popular underground labels which adopted and helped develop breakcore) and artists Venetian Snares, Aphex Twin, the Flashbulb and Squarepusher as influential artists (for obvious reasons). Anyone who does not agree to this should see the massive Venetian Snares thread on the www.Ihatebreakcore.com forum, or the sheer amounts of VS hits on YouTube. Lemphek of ASMS. 129.96.126.4 ( talk) 04:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's nice to see a section, but could it be rewritten? I've had this in mind:
Breakcore is hard to accurately describe and musicians like Electric Kettle, Drop the Lime and Christoph Fringeli have argued that breakcore is a catch-all term that encompasses various related, though different styles of electronic music that are related through mindset rather than sound. Regardless, there seems to be a common element of aggression or chaos, unconventional song structures and sudden shifts of rhythm in breakcore music. Perhaps the most defining characteristic of breakcore is the drum work which more often than not is based on the manipulation of the Amen Break and other classic jungle and hip-hop breaks in high BPM which are frequently distorted to make them sound more aggressive. Distorted Roland TR-909 bass drum sounds aren't uncommon either, which has led to breakcore, either mockingly or affectionately, to be referred to as "gabber kicks and Amen breaks" and while that formula is prominent in a lot of breakcore, it's certainly not a necessity or the end all, be all characteristic of the style.
I thought it describes the genre as accurately as possible without giving people the impression that it is limited to "gabber kicks and Amen breaks", though I'm afraid it mostly describes what it 'doesn't sound like', if that makes sense. We could get rid of the "Amen break" section and just link to it through the description... not even the drum n bass article has a separate Amen break section and I would argue that the break is more important to the genre than it is to breakcore. Yay? Nay? Seeofseaof ( talk) 08:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I say yay to that. If you ask me, people often seem to think its all about the amen break, the gabber kicks and the hard distorted bass, but that doesnt always have too be the case. The more it focuses on those particular ingredients, the more it becomes a recipe of how to make breakcore, and when that happens, we have kind of lost the whole idea about a lack of musical rules. Just look at this: http://72.249.77.26/~flabs//wiki/index.php/Breakcore#What_is_Breakcore.3F Thats the kind of stuff i want to avoid... // Sculpted Noise
Alright, less talk, more action. I'll make some changes since very few people are discussing things here to improve it. Understandable. Thank you to the people who agreed with me so far!
I'm removing all the 'stylistic origins' bar drum n bass (which includes jungle) and hardcore and perhaps industrial. Plenty of breakcore is not influenced by any other genres mentioned and the whole 'jungle vs dnb' debate is silly and the layman doesn't even care. I'm also removing the word 'IDM' for aforementioned reasons (courtesy of Sculpted Noise): no one KNOWS what 'IDM' is, so how do we know it has influenced breakcore? I'll rewrite what I see fit. Don't like it? Change it back and discuss it here. Seeofseaof ( talk) 19:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is a mess. It makes me cry. Anyone have suggestions for reliable, secondary sources so we can start weeding out the non-notable stuff? Print and web are okay, but, please, reliable sources. czar · · 06:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
@ Ftiercel: nice rewrite, but it would have been helpful to have pushed the changes in increments, because the diff is currently unreadable. czar ♔ 18:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so enough with the frequent changes in "stylistic origins". Please bring reliable sources that clearly connect breakcore with any said genre here for discussion before adding or removing any more. czar ♔ 22:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, what does an artist need to qualify for an article? Hecate is a complete nobody in the breakcore scene, yet has an article, but Igorrr, who's music changed the entire genre the same way Venetian Snares's changed the genre a decade ago, doesn't have an article. I know it's not a problem of notability because he has an article on the french wikipedia, is it just a lack of interest?
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Does this count? Wtoteqw ( talk) 01:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I’m working on producing a short breakcore sample to replace the current one. Zanahary ( talk) 07:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
This line is beautiful in a way I cant describe. NikolaiVektovich ( talk) 14:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Surely somebody who can actually write would be prepared to help edit this page. It reads like an abandoned blog 87.244.73.38 ( talk) 18:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)