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I think it should be reflected that the party is actually centre-right (being also affiliated to the Christian Democrat Organization of America, which groups conservative parties). -- Miacek ( talk) 09:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Fernando Henrique Cardoso says that PSDB is a centre-left political party or a left of the centre party and not a centre right party. PSDB is only a observer of Centrist Democratic International. See the article in the original language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.3.163 ( talk) 11:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Centro-derecha Miacek? They don't speak spanish in Brazil, but Portuguese. Well in most south american neighbours of brazil there are left government to whom even traditional social democrats are right-wing. Look for centro direita + PSDB and then we'll talk about it. Not that PSDB hasn't adopted a lot of neoliberalism but the truth is that they mix it with neokeynesianism (the third way may not be synonym with centre-right. What LEFT crititics say doesn't matter, only what critics all across the spectrum say. Though many of those also agree with the left, but give a more profound and less ax grinding portrait. Though it would be interesting compare the case with the Portuguese Social Democrats, who are FULL MEMBERS of the Centrist Democrat International. Lususromulus ( talk) 19:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
This Miacek guy doesn't even know what language is spoken in Brazil and still wants to argue with other people that are clearly better informed. Read something about the country first, THEN start discussing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.60.80.220 ( talk) 05:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
No; I don't want to put "this" on the article. But those who want to put into it the statement that the PSDB is a center-left party, don't they need a reliable source for it? And does "reliable source", by definition, not exclude the party's own opinion about itself? Ninguém ( talk) 19:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see Wikipedia describing PSDB as "centre-left". Many reputable sources consider it centre-right. Examples: the Financial Times ( http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/37bb8c70-cfeb-11df-bb9e-00144feab49a.html ); the Guardian ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/inside-brazil/working-class-hero - though I am aware the Guardian has also been cited by the other side); the BBC ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11662712 : "The PSDB must wonder whether it is capable of recapturing the support of those voters from lower-earning families. Before 2006, these voters were quite likely to vote for a candidate of the right or centre-right, but for the past two elections these voters have overwhelmingly supported the PT's candidates"). PS I realise that PSDB has "social democrat" in its name, but so do the conservative parties of Portugal and Gibraltar. The fact that (like the Portuguese Social Democrats) the PSDB has chosen to align itself internationally with the German Christian Democrats and other centre-right parties, and not with social democracy, is interesting. 86.164.162.231 ( talk) 07:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Similarly, the highly reputable newspaper The Economist views PSDB as centre-right: http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2010/10/brazils_presidential_election_1 195.72.173.52 ( talk) 13:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC) So it may be a good idea to unprotect the page now that it's been shown to have potentially tendentious content? 86.164.162.231 ( talk) 07:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I think there is a confusion about sources. One thing is a source saying, "the PSDB is a centre-left party"; another thing is a source saying, "according to its leader José Serra, the PSDB is a centre-left party". The former depends on the reliability of the source; the latter, on the reliability of the quoted person; if, as in the given example, they have a direct interest in the issue, they are non-neutral and therefore unreliable by definition (conversely, something like "according to the PT leader Eduardo Suplicy, the PSDB is a right-wing party" is equally unreliable).
Fact is, the two main parties that fight each other in Brazilian politics are the PT and the PSDB. If the PSDB is centre-left, what is the PT? Right-wing? Doesn't look like that. Radical left? In this case, who is the right in Brazilian politics, and how does the PT manage to keep an alliance with obviously non-leftist parties like the PMDB? And, since "left" and "right" are relative, wouldn't the PSDB then qualify as "right"? Or perhaps the PT is Centre-left too? In this case, why don't the PT and the PSDB join forces, instead of considering each other their main adversaries?
Another fact is, in Brazil the term "right" when applied to politics is seen as demeaning and offensive (which historically comes from the fact that the "right" was identified with the 1964-1985 dictatorship). Even conservatives consider themselves "centre-left", contrary to every evidence. And so self-descriptions by Brazilian politicians should be taken with a grain of salt; the same goes for party names ("Social Democracia", "Democratas", "Social Liberal", "Trabalhista", "Social Liberal" - all of them obfuscate more than describe the parties they refer to). Ninguém ( talk) 20:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira translate better as Brazilian Social Democracy party? Strictly speaking there is no Brazilian Social Democratic Party, at least not as a name for this one party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.59.222 ( talk) 13:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The two sources from Italian news pages say that Aecio Neves is the candidate of the centre-right. They do not say that PSDB is a centre-right party. Neves is the candidate of a centre-right coalition, mainly consisting of the centrist PSDB and PTB and the right-wing Democratas. Therefore he is the candidate of the centre-right. Why should two articles by Italian journalists (who are probably not experts on Brazilian politics) be considered more important than dozens of other sources describing PSDB as centrist, anyway? -- RJFF ( talk) 16:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I hope this post answers all questions. Lord Osmund Saddler ( talk) 01:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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Image:Psdblogo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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I think it should be reflected that the party is actually centre-right (being also affiliated to the Christian Democrat Organization of America, which groups conservative parties). -- Miacek ( talk) 09:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Fernando Henrique Cardoso says that PSDB is a centre-left political party or a left of the centre party and not a centre right party. PSDB is only a observer of Centrist Democratic International. See the article in the original language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.3.163 ( talk) 11:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Centro-derecha Miacek? They don't speak spanish in Brazil, but Portuguese. Well in most south american neighbours of brazil there are left government to whom even traditional social democrats are right-wing. Look for centro direita + PSDB and then we'll talk about it. Not that PSDB hasn't adopted a lot of neoliberalism but the truth is that they mix it with neokeynesianism (the third way may not be synonym with centre-right. What LEFT crititics say doesn't matter, only what critics all across the spectrum say. Though many of those also agree with the left, but give a more profound and less ax grinding portrait. Though it would be interesting compare the case with the Portuguese Social Democrats, who are FULL MEMBERS of the Centrist Democrat International. Lususromulus ( talk) 19:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
This Miacek guy doesn't even know what language is spoken in Brazil and still wants to argue with other people that are clearly better informed. Read something about the country first, THEN start discussing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.60.80.220 ( talk) 05:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
No; I don't want to put "this" on the article. But those who want to put into it the statement that the PSDB is a center-left party, don't they need a reliable source for it? And does "reliable source", by definition, not exclude the party's own opinion about itself? Ninguém ( talk) 19:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see Wikipedia describing PSDB as "centre-left". Many reputable sources consider it centre-right. Examples: the Financial Times ( http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/37bb8c70-cfeb-11df-bb9e-00144feab49a.html ); the Guardian ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/inside-brazil/working-class-hero - though I am aware the Guardian has also been cited by the other side); the BBC ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11662712 : "The PSDB must wonder whether it is capable of recapturing the support of those voters from lower-earning families. Before 2006, these voters were quite likely to vote for a candidate of the right or centre-right, but for the past two elections these voters have overwhelmingly supported the PT's candidates"). PS I realise that PSDB has "social democrat" in its name, but so do the conservative parties of Portugal and Gibraltar. The fact that (like the Portuguese Social Democrats) the PSDB has chosen to align itself internationally with the German Christian Democrats and other centre-right parties, and not with social democracy, is interesting. 86.164.162.231 ( talk) 07:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Similarly, the highly reputable newspaper The Economist views PSDB as centre-right: http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2010/10/brazils_presidential_election_1 195.72.173.52 ( talk) 13:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC) So it may be a good idea to unprotect the page now that it's been shown to have potentially tendentious content? 86.164.162.231 ( talk) 07:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I think there is a confusion about sources. One thing is a source saying, "the PSDB is a centre-left party"; another thing is a source saying, "according to its leader José Serra, the PSDB is a centre-left party". The former depends on the reliability of the source; the latter, on the reliability of the quoted person; if, as in the given example, they have a direct interest in the issue, they are non-neutral and therefore unreliable by definition (conversely, something like "according to the PT leader Eduardo Suplicy, the PSDB is a right-wing party" is equally unreliable).
Fact is, the two main parties that fight each other in Brazilian politics are the PT and the PSDB. If the PSDB is centre-left, what is the PT? Right-wing? Doesn't look like that. Radical left? In this case, who is the right in Brazilian politics, and how does the PT manage to keep an alliance with obviously non-leftist parties like the PMDB? And, since "left" and "right" are relative, wouldn't the PSDB then qualify as "right"? Or perhaps the PT is Centre-left too? In this case, why don't the PT and the PSDB join forces, instead of considering each other their main adversaries?
Another fact is, in Brazil the term "right" when applied to politics is seen as demeaning and offensive (which historically comes from the fact that the "right" was identified with the 1964-1985 dictatorship). Even conservatives consider themselves "centre-left", contrary to every evidence. And so self-descriptions by Brazilian politicians should be taken with a grain of salt; the same goes for party names ("Social Democracia", "Democratas", "Social Liberal", "Trabalhista", "Social Liberal" - all of them obfuscate more than describe the parties they refer to). Ninguém ( talk) 20:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira translate better as Brazilian Social Democracy party? Strictly speaking there is no Brazilian Social Democratic Party, at least not as a name for this one party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.59.222 ( talk) 13:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The two sources from Italian news pages say that Aecio Neves is the candidate of the centre-right. They do not say that PSDB is a centre-right party. Neves is the candidate of a centre-right coalition, mainly consisting of the centrist PSDB and PTB and the right-wing Democratas. Therefore he is the candidate of the centre-right. Why should two articles by Italian journalists (who are probably not experts on Brazilian politics) be considered more important than dozens of other sources describing PSDB as centrist, anyway? -- RJFF ( talk) 16:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I hope this post answers all questions. Lord Osmund Saddler ( talk) 01:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)