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It's relevant context to note that the "group" that Mitchell is designating as a terrorist group is not a group nor have been there been any activities by this "group" in Montana. [1] This is all content that the AP deems worthy enough to bring up in the context of Mitchell's legislation to designate antifa as a terrorist group. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
In February 2021, Mitchell introduced legislation to designate antifa as a domestic terrorism group. Antifa is an umbrella term for far-left leaning militant groups and not a single organization. Antifa-affiliated groups are not known to be active in Montana.Thoughts? KidAd talk 19:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
tinyurl.com/384a2pjt is a URL referenced by an anon IP, in his edit summary, that removed some sourced info from the article. That URL is a redirect to a Facebook page owned by an account called "Comments", an account created on March 22, 2021. The Facebook account's sole contents are a video of a man purporting to be Larry Brewster. If it is Larry Brewster, this appears to be an attempt by someone closely connected to the subject of the article to edit this page and make Mitchell appear in a more favorable light, which would be a serious violation of WP:COI. Either way, Facebook links are not usable as reliable sources, in any way. Benicio2020 ( talk) 15:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change the statement, "Antifa-affiliated groups are not known to be active in Montana,[9] and there was no rioting in Montana during the George Floyd protests of 2020." and delete it. There were George Floyd protests in Montana. (ie: Kalispell, Whitefish, Missoula, etc.) I happened to be a witness to two of them. Person7269 ( talk) 02:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Benicio2020: you are claiming that the following content is unsourced. You have removed my edits several times under the guise of WP:UNSOURCED. Is there a reason you are claiming these are unsourced? Here is the article that was in the citation. Please let me know how this content was unsourced, thanks.
Article quote: "I just don’t want to go into a future where [political violence] becomes the norm, and I hope as a country, we can start moving away from political violence on both sides," Mitchell told Fox News.
WP edit: and there were no rioting in Montana during the
George Floyd protests of 2020. Mitchell stated "I just don’t want to go into a future where
political violence becomes the norm, and I hope as a country, we can start moving away from political violence on both sides."
Article quote: Montana did not see any rioting last summer during the George Floyd protests, which frequently turned violent in many cities across the U.S., but that isn't deterring the freshmen state legislator from taking a stand.
WP edit: and there were no rioting in Montana during the
George Floyd protests of 2020. Mitchell stated "I just don’t want to go into a future where
political violence becomes the norm, and I hope as a country, we can start moving away from political violence on both sides."
Article quote: For example, some Montana state Democrats asked that other groups be included in the measure, including organizations that participated in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
WP edit: Mitchell was asked by Montana Democrats to also designate other groups including that which
stormed the United States Capitol in January 2021, but Mitchell stated that the resolution was too narrowly tailored toward antifa.
Article quote: But Mitchell pointed out that his resolution is tailored to offenses committed by Antifa members, such as attacks on certain journalists, along with doxing and stalking members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
WP edit: Mitchell was asked by Montana Democrats to also designate other groups including that which
stormed the United States Capitol in January 2021, but Mitchell stated that the resolution was too narrowly tailored toward antifa.
These are the quotes pulled from
the article directly. I will ask this as plainly as I can to
Benicio2020, how is this unsourced?
I will concede that I made an error and did not clarify the bracketed insertion into the quote in the quote I included, which I will remedy.
PerpetuityGrat (
talk)
12:47, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
The constant re-addition of white-washing text from WikiEditorOffice has to stop before we can even start to discuss sourced additions. The text about the pro-gun marches is straight from the source material. Some of his edits are identical to the edits of an IP address which traces back to the Montana State Legislature. He has refused, multiple times, to discuss those changes. Once that situation is resolved, perhaps we can move on and improve the page. Until then, the edits from WikiEditorOffice are too disruptive and I will continue to revert them. Benicio2020 ( talk) 22:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
I have tried work with PerpetuityGrat to help fix bloated text and remove unnecessary additions to the article. Wikipedia is not an agenda driven and partisan site Benicio2020. You have consistently edited on an agenda driven basis, and keep claiming I am connected to Mr. Mitchell and PerpetuityGrat on multiple occasions. I am not sure which edits are correlated with an IP address if you can please provide a date/time, and keep in mind the Montana Legislature is also not currently in session and Legislators in that state do not live there full time. [1] There have been multiple edits by IP's and Red Users with favorable additions and unfavorable additions / vice versa.
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The alleged tweets first surfaced during the election during the primary and general election.
Mitchell’s Democratic opponent, Debo Powers, said she saw the alleged tweets during the race last fall.It is not proven that these tweets are his. Can we remove this? WP:NOW.
Benicio2020 since the 3RR warned us both from reverting, I am going to ask that you not re-add the Twitter content that you continue to add. It is unproven that the tweets are legitimate. The source even uses the terms "alleged tweets" four times. Your response above Mitchell sent those tweets, and you know this. Why continue to deny it? Here's the screenshot of the tweets:
right here
isn't satisfactory here. Frankly, no, I don't know that Mitchell sent those tweets. And a screenshot from Twitter is not a reliable source (see
WP:RSPTWITTER). This is not me "white-washing" the article. This is my attempt to not include false and potentially defamatory information on a BLP encyclopedia article. I am kindly going to ask you here to address the content of this section alone, and not bring up things that aren't germane to this section. Thanks. --
PerpetuityGrat (
talk)
05:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
There have been multiple attempts to add poorly-sourced content (see this diff). Mitchell is not known by any other name, per reliable sources, so whether he had a different name at birth and changed it is irrelevant unless reliable sources draw attention to it. A listing of court proceedings is insufficient. Referring to an earlier name as a " deadname" is inaccurate, as that term specifically refers to transgender and non-binary individuals. The assertion that he "has refused to acknowledge his own deadname" was completely unsourced. The only relevant content, his support for HB361, is now in the article in appropriately neutral language. Schazjmd (talk) 00:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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It's relevant context to note that the "group" that Mitchell is designating as a terrorist group is not a group nor have been there been any activities by this "group" in Montana. [1] This is all content that the AP deems worthy enough to bring up in the context of Mitchell's legislation to designate antifa as a terrorist group. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
In February 2021, Mitchell introduced legislation to designate antifa as a domestic terrorism group. Antifa is an umbrella term for far-left leaning militant groups and not a single organization. Antifa-affiliated groups are not known to be active in Montana.Thoughts? KidAd talk 19:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
tinyurl.com/384a2pjt is a URL referenced by an anon IP, in his edit summary, that removed some sourced info from the article. That URL is a redirect to a Facebook page owned by an account called "Comments", an account created on March 22, 2021. The Facebook account's sole contents are a video of a man purporting to be Larry Brewster. If it is Larry Brewster, this appears to be an attempt by someone closely connected to the subject of the article to edit this page and make Mitchell appear in a more favorable light, which would be a serious violation of WP:COI. Either way, Facebook links are not usable as reliable sources, in any way. Benicio2020 ( talk) 15:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change the statement, "Antifa-affiliated groups are not known to be active in Montana,[9] and there was no rioting in Montana during the George Floyd protests of 2020." and delete it. There were George Floyd protests in Montana. (ie: Kalispell, Whitefish, Missoula, etc.) I happened to be a witness to two of them. Person7269 ( talk) 02:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Benicio2020: you are claiming that the following content is unsourced. You have removed my edits several times under the guise of WP:UNSOURCED. Is there a reason you are claiming these are unsourced? Here is the article that was in the citation. Please let me know how this content was unsourced, thanks.
Article quote: "I just don’t want to go into a future where [political violence] becomes the norm, and I hope as a country, we can start moving away from political violence on both sides," Mitchell told Fox News.
WP edit: and there were no rioting in Montana during the
George Floyd protests of 2020. Mitchell stated "I just don’t want to go into a future where
political violence becomes the norm, and I hope as a country, we can start moving away from political violence on both sides."
Article quote: Montana did not see any rioting last summer during the George Floyd protests, which frequently turned violent in many cities across the U.S., but that isn't deterring the freshmen state legislator from taking a stand.
WP edit: and there were no rioting in Montana during the
George Floyd protests of 2020. Mitchell stated "I just don’t want to go into a future where
political violence becomes the norm, and I hope as a country, we can start moving away from political violence on both sides."
Article quote: For example, some Montana state Democrats asked that other groups be included in the measure, including organizations that participated in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
WP edit: Mitchell was asked by Montana Democrats to also designate other groups including that which
stormed the United States Capitol in January 2021, but Mitchell stated that the resolution was too narrowly tailored toward antifa.
Article quote: But Mitchell pointed out that his resolution is tailored to offenses committed by Antifa members, such as attacks on certain journalists, along with doxing and stalking members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
WP edit: Mitchell was asked by Montana Democrats to also designate other groups including that which
stormed the United States Capitol in January 2021, but Mitchell stated that the resolution was too narrowly tailored toward antifa.
These are the quotes pulled from
the article directly. I will ask this as plainly as I can to
Benicio2020, how is this unsourced?
I will concede that I made an error and did not clarify the bracketed insertion into the quote in the quote I included, which I will remedy.
PerpetuityGrat (
talk)
12:47, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
The constant re-addition of white-washing text from WikiEditorOffice has to stop before we can even start to discuss sourced additions. The text about the pro-gun marches is straight from the source material. Some of his edits are identical to the edits of an IP address which traces back to the Montana State Legislature. He has refused, multiple times, to discuss those changes. Once that situation is resolved, perhaps we can move on and improve the page. Until then, the edits from WikiEditorOffice are too disruptive and I will continue to revert them. Benicio2020 ( talk) 22:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
I have tried work with PerpetuityGrat to help fix bloated text and remove unnecessary additions to the article. Wikipedia is not an agenda driven and partisan site Benicio2020. You have consistently edited on an agenda driven basis, and keep claiming I am connected to Mr. Mitchell and PerpetuityGrat on multiple occasions. I am not sure which edits are correlated with an IP address if you can please provide a date/time, and keep in mind the Montana Legislature is also not currently in session and Legislators in that state do not live there full time. [1] There have been multiple edits by IP's and Red Users with favorable additions and unfavorable additions / vice versa.
References
The alleged tweets first surfaced during the election during the primary and general election.
Mitchell’s Democratic opponent, Debo Powers, said she saw the alleged tweets during the race last fall.It is not proven that these tweets are his. Can we remove this? WP:NOW.
Benicio2020 since the 3RR warned us both from reverting, I am going to ask that you not re-add the Twitter content that you continue to add. It is unproven that the tweets are legitimate. The source even uses the terms "alleged tweets" four times. Your response above Mitchell sent those tweets, and you know this. Why continue to deny it? Here's the screenshot of the tweets:
right here
isn't satisfactory here. Frankly, no, I don't know that Mitchell sent those tweets. And a screenshot from Twitter is not a reliable source (see
WP:RSPTWITTER). This is not me "white-washing" the article. This is my attempt to not include false and potentially defamatory information on a BLP encyclopedia article. I am kindly going to ask you here to address the content of this section alone, and not bring up things that aren't germane to this section. Thanks. --
PerpetuityGrat (
talk)
05:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
There have been multiple attempts to add poorly-sourced content (see this diff). Mitchell is not known by any other name, per reliable sources, so whether he had a different name at birth and changed it is irrelevant unless reliable sources draw attention to it. A listing of court proceedings is insufficient. Referring to an earlier name as a " deadname" is inaccurate, as that term specifically refers to transgender and non-binary individuals. The assertion that he "has refused to acknowledge his own deadname" was completely unsourced. The only relevant content, his support for HB361, is now in the article in appropriately neutral language. Schazjmd (talk) 00:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)