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Hello, Someone else. Thanks for doing this stub on Braintree, Massachusetts. You know, I could have sworn there was such a place, but I searched the Wikipedia database when I started the Braintree disambiguation page, and couldn't find it, so I thought I must have just imagined hearing about it! Unfortunately, I'm a little confused by the stub... What do you mean by towns and/or cities being "split off" from it? Do you mean that it was divided up and parts of it were renamed? Is the main part of it still called "Braintree, Massachusetts", and if so, how did the Rambot manage to miss it...? (Okay, that last question isn't really aimed at you...) -- Oliver P. 20:08 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
In colonial times the town of Braintree consisted of the area occupied by present-day Braintree, Weymouth, Holbrook, Randolph, and Quincy. Quincy was I believe the part of Braintree owned by The Adams family (of John Adams and John Quincy Adams fame), and was made it's own town by the Adams', I think. I'm not sure why Weymouth and the others split off, but this type of thing isn't entirely uncommon in the older states.
Why was Gerard Coletta removed from the list of Notable Residents? As far as I know, Mark Wahlberg was neither born in Braintree nor lives there now. Several of those mentioned were born in Braintree, but are not current residents. Gerard is certainly one of the more famous current residents.
That is an absolutely unfair criterion. Gerard Coletta is quite notable in the art community, which is not well-represented on Wikipedia. The sociology of Wikipedia promotes representations of certain communities over others. Therefore inclusion in Wikipedia is not a good metric by which to judge the notability of a given Braintree citizen. Leave it. Or thus begins the Lion War.
== What is the Difference Between "Officially" and "Massachusetts law?"
The article states that Braintree is officially a town but is considered a city under Massachusetts law. This suggests that Massachusetts law is not official in Massachusetts. Really? I think this requires clarification. 71.223.67.114 ( talk) 13:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Now that I've the time, I want to start a discussion on editing re: the status of the Town of Braintree as a
city:
1) I changed "city" to "suburban community" per the official website
[1] and "town" per the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
[2], as well as removing the term "city" from
mayor-council government.
(diff)
(diff)
(diff)
2) Despite having met
WP:BURDEN of
WP:VERIFY, edits were reverted and sources were removed.
(diff)
3) I re-added the deleted information and sources, reiterating the that the information had met guidelines, and requested that reverting editor seek consensus via talk here.
(diff)
4) This request for consensus was ignored and the article was edited again with the woefully inadequate, perhaps disingenuous, summary "reword".
(diff)
Removing sources and not using the talk page may border on inappropriate behavior to push a POV, regardless of its truth (again, see WP:VERIFY). If the editor(s) who wish to show cause as to why this article should read "city" can do so, the burden of proof can be met, but reliable sources favor use of the verifiable term "town" at present, regardless of truth. -- King of the Arverni ( talk) 18:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
My point is that the change you propose will affect 10 other municipality articles, a few list articles, a few templates, and several categories. Such a major change requires more outside comment. The fact that all references to Braintree is "town" is also true for the 10 other towns with city forms of government. -- Polaron | Talk 02:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Also "suburban" doesn't have anything to do with municipality type. There are towns that are highly urbanized and there are cities with large rural areas. In this context, suburban probably means it's a suburb of a larger employment core. -- Polaron | Talk 02:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I really liked that first paragraph, Yellowdesk; fascinating. This really is some super interesting stuff. I found something that may be of use, and will probably satisfy my concerns about verifiability: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/gl-39-toc.htm. It's not official per se, but seems comprehensive and is hosted by mass.gov. You can see the breakdown between "city government" versus "town government" in the headings, though it doesn't offer much more distinction between the two than that. As I said time and again, all I need to satisfy WP:V is to see a source for the claims, but I shouldn't need to find it myself per WP:BURDEN. Well, I did anyway, and I'm for one all set with the city designation thanks to the nudge given by Yellowdesk and my own willingness to research. What's especially ironic is that this source is used for some of Massachusetts_government#Form_of_government:_city_vs._town. It's just a shame that Polaron, who obviously knows what he/she is talking about, couldn't produce it for some reason. Alright, guys: go nuts! :-) -- King of the Arverni ( talk) 14:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Braintree H.S. is NOT located in South Braintree, and should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.3.250.198 ( talk) 17:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Should this section be re-organized? The current categorization of Notable Residents, featuring a subsection called "Modern Era" doesn't seem very helpful. Most communities that have more than handful of notable residents use categories such as
Also, the characterization of Jeremy and Henry Adams as "original emigrants" might be better characterized as "early immigrants" to America. Just a thought. EdJF ( talk) 17:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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how can we change this so that the sq miles are shown first? just about every other city in the boston metro area has it so that sq miles are shown first, with km2 in parenthesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blahtherr ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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Braintree was not the birthplace of Abigail Adams. Weymouth was and Weymouth was never part of Braintree. (see article on Abigail Adams) Rufus Putnam was not associated with Braintree, but with New Braintree which is a very different place (see article on Rufus Putnam) 24.233.69.96 ( talk) 04:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hey all, I'm the WikiProject Cities assessor of this article. If feedback is what you want and need, come to my talk page and give me a holler! -- Starstriker7( Dime algo or see my works) 15:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Someone else. Thanks for doing this stub on Braintree, Massachusetts. You know, I could have sworn there was such a place, but I searched the Wikipedia database when I started the Braintree disambiguation page, and couldn't find it, so I thought I must have just imagined hearing about it! Unfortunately, I'm a little confused by the stub... What do you mean by towns and/or cities being "split off" from it? Do you mean that it was divided up and parts of it were renamed? Is the main part of it still called "Braintree, Massachusetts", and if so, how did the Rambot manage to miss it...? (Okay, that last question isn't really aimed at you...) -- Oliver P. 20:08 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
In colonial times the town of Braintree consisted of the area occupied by present-day Braintree, Weymouth, Holbrook, Randolph, and Quincy. Quincy was I believe the part of Braintree owned by The Adams family (of John Adams and John Quincy Adams fame), and was made it's own town by the Adams', I think. I'm not sure why Weymouth and the others split off, but this type of thing isn't entirely uncommon in the older states.
Why was Gerard Coletta removed from the list of Notable Residents? As far as I know, Mark Wahlberg was neither born in Braintree nor lives there now. Several of those mentioned were born in Braintree, but are not current residents. Gerard is certainly one of the more famous current residents.
That is an absolutely unfair criterion. Gerard Coletta is quite notable in the art community, which is not well-represented on Wikipedia. The sociology of Wikipedia promotes representations of certain communities over others. Therefore inclusion in Wikipedia is not a good metric by which to judge the notability of a given Braintree citizen. Leave it. Or thus begins the Lion War.
== What is the Difference Between "Officially" and "Massachusetts law?"
The article states that Braintree is officially a town but is considered a city under Massachusetts law. This suggests that Massachusetts law is not official in Massachusetts. Really? I think this requires clarification. 71.223.67.114 ( talk) 13:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Now that I've the time, I want to start a discussion on editing re: the status of the Town of Braintree as a
city:
1) I changed "city" to "suburban community" per the official website
[1] and "town" per the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
[2], as well as removing the term "city" from
mayor-council government.
(diff)
(diff)
(diff)
2) Despite having met
WP:BURDEN of
WP:VERIFY, edits were reverted and sources were removed.
(diff)
3) I re-added the deleted information and sources, reiterating the that the information had met guidelines, and requested that reverting editor seek consensus via talk here.
(diff)
4) This request for consensus was ignored and the article was edited again with the woefully inadequate, perhaps disingenuous, summary "reword".
(diff)
Removing sources and not using the talk page may border on inappropriate behavior to push a POV, regardless of its truth (again, see WP:VERIFY). If the editor(s) who wish to show cause as to why this article should read "city" can do so, the burden of proof can be met, but reliable sources favor use of the verifiable term "town" at present, regardless of truth. -- King of the Arverni ( talk) 18:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
My point is that the change you propose will affect 10 other municipality articles, a few list articles, a few templates, and several categories. Such a major change requires more outside comment. The fact that all references to Braintree is "town" is also true for the 10 other towns with city forms of government. -- Polaron | Talk 02:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Also "suburban" doesn't have anything to do with municipality type. There are towns that are highly urbanized and there are cities with large rural areas. In this context, suburban probably means it's a suburb of a larger employment core. -- Polaron | Talk 02:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I really liked that first paragraph, Yellowdesk; fascinating. This really is some super interesting stuff. I found something that may be of use, and will probably satisfy my concerns about verifiability: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/gl-39-toc.htm. It's not official per se, but seems comprehensive and is hosted by mass.gov. You can see the breakdown between "city government" versus "town government" in the headings, though it doesn't offer much more distinction between the two than that. As I said time and again, all I need to satisfy WP:V is to see a source for the claims, but I shouldn't need to find it myself per WP:BURDEN. Well, I did anyway, and I'm for one all set with the city designation thanks to the nudge given by Yellowdesk and my own willingness to research. What's especially ironic is that this source is used for some of Massachusetts_government#Form_of_government:_city_vs._town. It's just a shame that Polaron, who obviously knows what he/she is talking about, couldn't produce it for some reason. Alright, guys: go nuts! :-) -- King of the Arverni ( talk) 14:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Braintree H.S. is NOT located in South Braintree, and should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.3.250.198 ( talk) 17:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Should this section be re-organized? The current categorization of Notable Residents, featuring a subsection called "Modern Era" doesn't seem very helpful. Most communities that have more than handful of notable residents use categories such as
Also, the characterization of Jeremy and Henry Adams as "original emigrants" might be better characterized as "early immigrants" to America. Just a thought. EdJF ( talk) 17:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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Braintree was not the birthplace of Abigail Adams. Weymouth was and Weymouth was never part of Braintree. (see article on Abigail Adams) Rufus Putnam was not associated with Braintree, but with New Braintree which is a very different place (see article on Rufus Putnam) 24.233.69.96 ( talk) 04:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)