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I agree with the objection to the merge. However, both articles are written in such a way that the two procedures could easily be mistaken for each other. I suggest editing both articles to remove this ambiguity and move all references to 'downloaders' to the current article. -- Phils 14:03, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
redirecting 'downloading conciousness' to this page is wrong. there is another entire discourse on downloading conciousness that has nothing to do with growing new organic human bodies. It is quite possible to discuss downloading conciousness without discussing whole-body transplant, as only the ethical questions are related, the technical questions are likely not related at all.
Downloading (or uploading, as is prefered by transhumanists, et al.) does not consist of transfering a human brain into a robotic body, it consists of transfering the mind from an organic subtrate to a nonorganic substrate, often involving the replacement of neurons individually with computationally simulated equivalents until the entire brain exists within the simulation. - Augur
People might actually want brain transplants if they ever become available as the alternative is death. while i personally don't agree with that train of thought - the possible vampire-like taking of someone else's body for one thing. i thought it best to report what other people have said on the matter.
PMelvilleAustin 21:02 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)
"Both goals are often derided as insane or unethical by religious and social leaders, who point deep to the disruption and inequality immortality of any sort is likely to cause."
What?? - Omegatron
Was it a monkey or a dog?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.187.171.46 ( talk) 22:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The second citation [2] in the article relates to *Head Transplants,* not brain transplants. None of the other citations seem to relate to a brain transplant either, but rather implanting new tissue into the brain - the eighth [8] indicates that this was done in 1998, and is composed of a link to a news story that doesn't mention whether the procedure succeeded or not. The seventh citation [7] is from 1982, and relates to implantation of neurons into a mouse - which was successful.
Human stem cell-derived neurons have been implanted into mice, resulting in reduced seizures. Combined with the seventh [7] citation, this seems to indicate the reverse of what the article suggests - that the brain is in fact an immunologically privileged organ, to the extent that it can integrate tissue from other species. Human-to-mouse tissue transplants are common in research, and so-called gyandromorphs are organisms where some cells that function as if they were male, and other cells that function as if they were female.
In the Immune privilege article, another citation seems to be used out of context; rather than denying immune privilege in the brain, the paper seems to indicate that the immune privilege is a result of the immune system of the body. This is supported by [2], [7] and the link to the Harvard article I linked to, which is from November 2014 - thus making it the latest citation.
Head transplants seem to be impossible because they include tissue other than the brain - a true brain transplant featuring only the transplantation of neural tissue would probably not be rejected. If nature can produce gyandromorphs by accident, and humans can insert neurons into their own brains, as well as the brains of mice, than it would seem that a brain transplant is well within the realm of possibility.
However, a critical issue isn't addressed in this article, which is addressed in the citations; reconnecting damaged nerves. Whether it was a brain transplant or a head transplant, the severed spinal cord would need to be repaired. This is the real limiting factor in both transplants, and a solution seems to be available. As well, the neural tissue of the spinal cord, or even the entire neural net - composed of the CNS and PNS - might be transplanted.
I would like to rewrite the article to reflect these facts. Please give me the go-ahead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.207.147.243 ( talk) 21:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
"Also, for the procedure to be practical, the age of the donated body must be sufficient: an adult brain cannot fit into a skull that has not reached its full growth, which occurs at age 9–12 years." This is a joke, right? It's under "existing challenges" with no citations, as I doubt any real surgeon was planning to steal kids' bodies to pop adults' brains into them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.166.240 ( talk) 15:56, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Whosyourjudas just proposed merging this article with head transplant. I don't think that's entirely appropriate, since a head transplant and a whole-body transplant are rather different things; whole-body transplantation is primarily the realm of fiction and philosophy, whereas head transplants have actually been performed on chimps and proposed as a serious medical procedure for use in the current real world. Some of the philosophical and moral issues are the same, but then they're also similar to some of the issues raised in Mind transfer so cross-linking the articles to refer to the discussion of them shouldn't be a problem. However, I can also see the point that these two procedures could indeed be similar enough to be worth covering in a unified manner, so I'm tossing the issue in here on talk: to see what other people think. Bryan 05:28, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I do know brain transplant is practiced by some such as child combat programmes and governments and maybe head transplant too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:F3B6:400:122:AA87:33A:D5F0 ( talk) 17:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
There is this one site that claims it has been done, though it look legitimate, there are certain things in it that might give it away that it isn't. Of course our first reaction is that it is indeed a hoax. I'm wondering if we should add in some informaiton about this site and tell that that thought they have no proof that they have actually done it, that they offer brain transplants. BrainTrans http://216.247.9.207/bthtml/about.htm
Moved to this section:
Is this site: here, a hoax, or is this operation possible? I think they are just scammers, but.... -- ChessManXI 05:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Just out of curiousity, does anyone else think that 'Brain Transplant' would be a better name for this article? The two terms seem to be interchangable (judging from the first sentence), and brain transplant is less likely to confuse the average reader.
Agreed. If "whole-body transplant" is the correct medical term (for some weird bizzare reason) then it should stay that way. Most people, however, would call it a brain transplant since you're taking the brain out of a person and putting it into another person.
"The procedure seems to be a far-off goal. However, it should be noted that human cloning seemed equally impossible a generation ago."
I removed it and it got reverted so I offer discussion.
That human cloning used to seem impossible is an observation completely peripheral to an article about brain transplants. It's an observation one arguing a point may make in conversation, but not something an encyclopedia would add matter-of-factly. I could just as easily counter with the technologies in fiction or of futurists that have not come to fruition by the year 2006. I submit that the second sentence imposes a POV concerning short-term feasability.-- Loodog 17:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
"In the final level of Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, players are given the choice to either use their brain as a replacement for the damaged vault computer or with General Barnaky's." This is exactly what I was hoping to learn...just what levels of what videogames this subject relates to. I think I should spin off a "how it relates to obscure games" encyclopedia.-- Openman 23:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
First paragraph, about brain transplants: "The necessary technology currently needed exists to fully and safely perform this procedure."
As far as I'm aware this is false, although I'd love to see a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.238.142 ( talk) 10:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
After all it was not that long ago that any sort of transplant was deemed to be impossible 88.110.147.235 ( talk) 19:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Not yet. Robert White performed head transplants on monkeys in the 60s but the experiments were crude and pointless. Only the blood supply was connected. The head was kept alive but it wasn't able to control the body it was connected to since the nerves were completely severed. You'll have to find a way to reconnect the nerves for a head transplant to work. A brain transplant is much more difficult, as you will also need to reconnect the brain with the eyes, nose, mouth, etc. This is already mentioned in the article. 203.184.1.4 ( talk) 03:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The act of transplanting the brain of a human, weather it be the entire brain of just the essential conscious identity portions will never be undertaken. The reason for this is advances in stem cell technology which will eventually allow repair and regeneration of major organs and eventually skeletal and spinal tissue. And even certain brain tissue. Although neither is possible at present, the latter is obviously much easier and less risky. One would prefer if given the choice to simply regenerate the body they already posesses to a healthier younger state rather than the very dangerous procdure of transplanting their brain into a cloned (but brainless) version of their younger/healthier body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.53.8 ( talk) 21:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
A brain transplant could be useful for a person born with a genetic disease (ie. progeria (premature aging) & disorders of metabolism) for whom stem cell therapy is impossible. 203.184.1.4 ( talk) 03:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
What about transgendered people?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.62.250 ( talk) 17:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Good point. A brain transplant would be great for those who want to change their gender. Although some people may also argue that the shock/trauma of not recognizing oneself in a mirror would negate the possible benefits. 203.184.0.142 ( talk) 15:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I have serious doubts about how useful it would be to transsexuals. Whole-body transplantation seems simpler than all the surgeries they have to go through, but I feel that the simplicity is an illusion. The brain is by far the most complicated organ in the human body, and no one really knows how well a human brain would adapt to a new body, let alone one of a different gender. Combine the medical challenges with the problems of getting a compatible donor's body, (and let's not forget the myriad of ethical and genetic issues that'd come with growing a brain-dead adult human clone) and it isn't such a neat solution anymore. If whole-body transplants become reality, I sincerely hope they will be restricted to life-or-death situations only. Prototypeone ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I have tried to add this aspect into the article, but it keeps getting removed. I could sit here all day trying to guess the exact format you want me to include it, or you could simply edit my changes to your satisfaction. Unless of course you just don't want this topic included in which case please let me know so I don't waste my time, and yours! If the issue is simply one of citation, then there are a myriad of articles on the subject, from a range of sources. I'm not sure which ones you would consider to be 'reliable' however. Besides the whole subject of human brain transplants is theoretical, there are no case studies and limited reasearch into the subject so its no more or less legimitate than the question of using dead criminals, depending on your own personal perspective of course. Nikiwiki246 ( talk) 17:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
In this paragraph, do uploading and downloading mean the same thing?
Where the brain is copied (destructively or not) to a simulator, I think uploading is the apter word. To download is to copy a file from a bigger host (or a network) to a smaller (more local) computer. I wouldn't assume that it's possible to put a human mind in anything simpler than a human brain. (I suppose mind transfer could be considered "downloading" if the target is physically smaller than the original; would it be downloading to copy files from an old room-filling computer to a rack-mount server?)
The nearest thing to downloading that occurs to me in fiction is the practice of spinning off temporary subsets of a mind, to carry messages, e.g. the "ghosts" in The Bohr Maker by Linda Nagata; something similar appears briefly in (i think) Excession by Iain M. Banks. — Tamfang ( talk) 00:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
First of all, i’m absolutely ignorant in terms of medical training and such, so I apologize in advance if my question turns out to lack any sense. Here we go: in the paragraph “existing challenges” the brain is said to be “an immunologically privileged organ”. The ninth “external link”, though, has a comment stating that “the brain is no longer considered to be an immunologically privileged organ”. Unfortunately the link redirects to a non-existing page, so I’m not able to read the article and understand what this means. I looked around on the website but could find nothing. So, here’s my question: is the brain considered “an immunologically privileged organ” or not? In either case, I guess a part of the article needs to be modified, unless I got this all wrong and we’re talking about different things, or aspects, or whatever. (again, I have no medical training, so be patient if the question is silly, and if it’s not, I guess someone expert in the field should correct this article.) Thanks! Idonthavetimeforthiscarp 13:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
An answer to the above: "Immunologically privileged sites were thought to include: - the brain, but this is now known to be incorrect and indeed immune cells of the CNS contribute to the maintenance of neurogenesis and spatial learning abilities in adulthood" from the Wikipedia article /info/en/?search=Immune_privilege The reference given for this in the article is:
Ziv, Y.et al (2006). Nature Neuroscience, Immune cells contribute to the maintenance of neurogenesis and spatial learning abilities in adulthood 9, 268 - 275. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwnit ( talk • contribs) 23:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
As one can transplant parts of the nervous system (the nerves of skin, hands, and so on, together with the organs they belong to) so that they become parts of the physical basis of the perceptions — and that is, of the consciousness — of the receiver of the donation, it would appear logical that also a whole brain, when it is transplanted, could — yes — carry the consciousness of its former possessor with itself, but, on the other hand, also could be conquered by the consciousness of the person who all the rest of the newly combined body has belonged to. If no really good citation for the definition of the catchword is going to be provided, one could therefore ponder if this article should not be moved to brain transplant, which, at the moment, is a redirect to it.
It would then appear thinkable to use the catchword whole-body transplant for an article on the basis of sources on the possibility really to transplant the whole body — with the brain — to an other person, i.e. to the consciousness of this other person, which would very probably most likely be to be conducted by uploading the mind of the receiver of the transplant to the body of the donator, in a situation in which it would be determined that the donator's mind would, different than that of the receiver, not be able to hold the body to be donated together, any longer. Hans Dunkelberg ( talk) 21:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
All references to fictional accounts of this type of technology should be removed to another article, they serve no purpose other than to confuse the issue, as if to say this technology is utterly hypothetical and should be treated as fictional. Suffice it to say the technology to perform such a procedure exists, whether or not it's being used presently. Repeated citations of fictional accounts simply muddy the water and add grist to the mill for anyone who wants to engage in denialism on this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.81.236.15 ( talk) 19:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. Clearly the common name. Cúchullain t/ c 14:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Whole-body transplant → Brain transplant – Less ambiguous title. - --Relisted Cúchullain t/ c 19:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)Relisted Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0 06:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC) Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
I noticed in the Immune privilege article that it says that the brain isn't actually immunologically privileged. Which article is saying the truth? - 89.70.239.244 ( talk) 20:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I think it is in many ways, but not completely in the same way as any other privileged organ. here and here, right?
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I agree with the objection to the merge. However, both articles are written in such a way that the two procedures could easily be mistaken for each other. I suggest editing both articles to remove this ambiguity and move all references to 'downloaders' to the current article. -- Phils 14:03, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
redirecting 'downloading conciousness' to this page is wrong. there is another entire discourse on downloading conciousness that has nothing to do with growing new organic human bodies. It is quite possible to discuss downloading conciousness without discussing whole-body transplant, as only the ethical questions are related, the technical questions are likely not related at all.
Downloading (or uploading, as is prefered by transhumanists, et al.) does not consist of transfering a human brain into a robotic body, it consists of transfering the mind from an organic subtrate to a nonorganic substrate, often involving the replacement of neurons individually with computationally simulated equivalents until the entire brain exists within the simulation. - Augur
People might actually want brain transplants if they ever become available as the alternative is death. while i personally don't agree with that train of thought - the possible vampire-like taking of someone else's body for one thing. i thought it best to report what other people have said on the matter.
PMelvilleAustin 21:02 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)
"Both goals are often derided as insane or unethical by religious and social leaders, who point deep to the disruption and inequality immortality of any sort is likely to cause."
What?? - Omegatron
Was it a monkey or a dog?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.187.171.46 ( talk) 22:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The second citation [2] in the article relates to *Head Transplants,* not brain transplants. None of the other citations seem to relate to a brain transplant either, but rather implanting new tissue into the brain - the eighth [8] indicates that this was done in 1998, and is composed of a link to a news story that doesn't mention whether the procedure succeeded or not. The seventh citation [7] is from 1982, and relates to implantation of neurons into a mouse - which was successful.
Human stem cell-derived neurons have been implanted into mice, resulting in reduced seizures. Combined with the seventh [7] citation, this seems to indicate the reverse of what the article suggests - that the brain is in fact an immunologically privileged organ, to the extent that it can integrate tissue from other species. Human-to-mouse tissue transplants are common in research, and so-called gyandromorphs are organisms where some cells that function as if they were male, and other cells that function as if they were female.
In the Immune privilege article, another citation seems to be used out of context; rather than denying immune privilege in the brain, the paper seems to indicate that the immune privilege is a result of the immune system of the body. This is supported by [2], [7] and the link to the Harvard article I linked to, which is from November 2014 - thus making it the latest citation.
Head transplants seem to be impossible because they include tissue other than the brain - a true brain transplant featuring only the transplantation of neural tissue would probably not be rejected. If nature can produce gyandromorphs by accident, and humans can insert neurons into their own brains, as well as the brains of mice, than it would seem that a brain transplant is well within the realm of possibility.
However, a critical issue isn't addressed in this article, which is addressed in the citations; reconnecting damaged nerves. Whether it was a brain transplant or a head transplant, the severed spinal cord would need to be repaired. This is the real limiting factor in both transplants, and a solution seems to be available. As well, the neural tissue of the spinal cord, or even the entire neural net - composed of the CNS and PNS - might be transplanted.
I would like to rewrite the article to reflect these facts. Please give me the go-ahead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.207.147.243 ( talk) 21:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
"Also, for the procedure to be practical, the age of the donated body must be sufficient: an adult brain cannot fit into a skull that has not reached its full growth, which occurs at age 9–12 years." This is a joke, right? It's under "existing challenges" with no citations, as I doubt any real surgeon was planning to steal kids' bodies to pop adults' brains into them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.122.166.240 ( talk) 15:56, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Whosyourjudas just proposed merging this article with head transplant. I don't think that's entirely appropriate, since a head transplant and a whole-body transplant are rather different things; whole-body transplantation is primarily the realm of fiction and philosophy, whereas head transplants have actually been performed on chimps and proposed as a serious medical procedure for use in the current real world. Some of the philosophical and moral issues are the same, but then they're also similar to some of the issues raised in Mind transfer so cross-linking the articles to refer to the discussion of them shouldn't be a problem. However, I can also see the point that these two procedures could indeed be similar enough to be worth covering in a unified manner, so I'm tossing the issue in here on talk: to see what other people think. Bryan 05:28, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I do know brain transplant is practiced by some such as child combat programmes and governments and maybe head transplant too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:F3B6:400:122:AA87:33A:D5F0 ( talk) 17:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
There is this one site that claims it has been done, though it look legitimate, there are certain things in it that might give it away that it isn't. Of course our first reaction is that it is indeed a hoax. I'm wondering if we should add in some informaiton about this site and tell that that thought they have no proof that they have actually done it, that they offer brain transplants. BrainTrans http://216.247.9.207/bthtml/about.htm
Moved to this section:
Is this site: here, a hoax, or is this operation possible? I think they are just scammers, but.... -- ChessManXI 05:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Just out of curiousity, does anyone else think that 'Brain Transplant' would be a better name for this article? The two terms seem to be interchangable (judging from the first sentence), and brain transplant is less likely to confuse the average reader.
Agreed. If "whole-body transplant" is the correct medical term (for some weird bizzare reason) then it should stay that way. Most people, however, would call it a brain transplant since you're taking the brain out of a person and putting it into another person.
"The procedure seems to be a far-off goal. However, it should be noted that human cloning seemed equally impossible a generation ago."
I removed it and it got reverted so I offer discussion.
That human cloning used to seem impossible is an observation completely peripheral to an article about brain transplants. It's an observation one arguing a point may make in conversation, but not something an encyclopedia would add matter-of-factly. I could just as easily counter with the technologies in fiction or of futurists that have not come to fruition by the year 2006. I submit that the second sentence imposes a POV concerning short-term feasability.-- Loodog 17:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
"In the final level of Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, players are given the choice to either use their brain as a replacement for the damaged vault computer or with General Barnaky's." This is exactly what I was hoping to learn...just what levels of what videogames this subject relates to. I think I should spin off a "how it relates to obscure games" encyclopedia.-- Openman 23:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
First paragraph, about brain transplants: "The necessary technology currently needed exists to fully and safely perform this procedure."
As far as I'm aware this is false, although I'd love to see a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.238.142 ( talk) 10:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
After all it was not that long ago that any sort of transplant was deemed to be impossible 88.110.147.235 ( talk) 19:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Not yet. Robert White performed head transplants on monkeys in the 60s but the experiments were crude and pointless. Only the blood supply was connected. The head was kept alive but it wasn't able to control the body it was connected to since the nerves were completely severed. You'll have to find a way to reconnect the nerves for a head transplant to work. A brain transplant is much more difficult, as you will also need to reconnect the brain with the eyes, nose, mouth, etc. This is already mentioned in the article. 203.184.1.4 ( talk) 03:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The act of transplanting the brain of a human, weather it be the entire brain of just the essential conscious identity portions will never be undertaken. The reason for this is advances in stem cell technology which will eventually allow repair and regeneration of major organs and eventually skeletal and spinal tissue. And even certain brain tissue. Although neither is possible at present, the latter is obviously much easier and less risky. One would prefer if given the choice to simply regenerate the body they already posesses to a healthier younger state rather than the very dangerous procdure of transplanting their brain into a cloned (but brainless) version of their younger/healthier body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.53.8 ( talk) 21:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
A brain transplant could be useful for a person born with a genetic disease (ie. progeria (premature aging) & disorders of metabolism) for whom stem cell therapy is impossible. 203.184.1.4 ( talk) 03:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
What about transgendered people?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.62.250 ( talk) 17:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Good point. A brain transplant would be great for those who want to change their gender. Although some people may also argue that the shock/trauma of not recognizing oneself in a mirror would negate the possible benefits. 203.184.0.142 ( talk) 15:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I have serious doubts about how useful it would be to transsexuals. Whole-body transplantation seems simpler than all the surgeries they have to go through, but I feel that the simplicity is an illusion. The brain is by far the most complicated organ in the human body, and no one really knows how well a human brain would adapt to a new body, let alone one of a different gender. Combine the medical challenges with the problems of getting a compatible donor's body, (and let's not forget the myriad of ethical and genetic issues that'd come with growing a brain-dead adult human clone) and it isn't such a neat solution anymore. If whole-body transplants become reality, I sincerely hope they will be restricted to life-or-death situations only. Prototypeone ( talk) 02:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I have tried to add this aspect into the article, but it keeps getting removed. I could sit here all day trying to guess the exact format you want me to include it, or you could simply edit my changes to your satisfaction. Unless of course you just don't want this topic included in which case please let me know so I don't waste my time, and yours! If the issue is simply one of citation, then there are a myriad of articles on the subject, from a range of sources. I'm not sure which ones you would consider to be 'reliable' however. Besides the whole subject of human brain transplants is theoretical, there are no case studies and limited reasearch into the subject so its no more or less legimitate than the question of using dead criminals, depending on your own personal perspective of course. Nikiwiki246 ( talk) 17:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
In this paragraph, do uploading and downloading mean the same thing?
Where the brain is copied (destructively or not) to a simulator, I think uploading is the apter word. To download is to copy a file from a bigger host (or a network) to a smaller (more local) computer. I wouldn't assume that it's possible to put a human mind in anything simpler than a human brain. (I suppose mind transfer could be considered "downloading" if the target is physically smaller than the original; would it be downloading to copy files from an old room-filling computer to a rack-mount server?)
The nearest thing to downloading that occurs to me in fiction is the practice of spinning off temporary subsets of a mind, to carry messages, e.g. the "ghosts" in The Bohr Maker by Linda Nagata; something similar appears briefly in (i think) Excession by Iain M. Banks. — Tamfang ( talk) 00:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
First of all, i’m absolutely ignorant in terms of medical training and such, so I apologize in advance if my question turns out to lack any sense. Here we go: in the paragraph “existing challenges” the brain is said to be “an immunologically privileged organ”. The ninth “external link”, though, has a comment stating that “the brain is no longer considered to be an immunologically privileged organ”. Unfortunately the link redirects to a non-existing page, so I’m not able to read the article and understand what this means. I looked around on the website but could find nothing. So, here’s my question: is the brain considered “an immunologically privileged organ” or not? In either case, I guess a part of the article needs to be modified, unless I got this all wrong and we’re talking about different things, or aspects, or whatever. (again, I have no medical training, so be patient if the question is silly, and if it’s not, I guess someone expert in the field should correct this article.) Thanks! Idonthavetimeforthiscarp 13:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
An answer to the above: "Immunologically privileged sites were thought to include: - the brain, but this is now known to be incorrect and indeed immune cells of the CNS contribute to the maintenance of neurogenesis and spatial learning abilities in adulthood" from the Wikipedia article /info/en/?search=Immune_privilege The reference given for this in the article is:
Ziv, Y.et al (2006). Nature Neuroscience, Immune cells contribute to the maintenance of neurogenesis and spatial learning abilities in adulthood 9, 268 - 275. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwnit ( talk • contribs) 23:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
As one can transplant parts of the nervous system (the nerves of skin, hands, and so on, together with the organs they belong to) so that they become parts of the physical basis of the perceptions — and that is, of the consciousness — of the receiver of the donation, it would appear logical that also a whole brain, when it is transplanted, could — yes — carry the consciousness of its former possessor with itself, but, on the other hand, also could be conquered by the consciousness of the person who all the rest of the newly combined body has belonged to. If no really good citation for the definition of the catchword is going to be provided, one could therefore ponder if this article should not be moved to brain transplant, which, at the moment, is a redirect to it.
It would then appear thinkable to use the catchword whole-body transplant for an article on the basis of sources on the possibility really to transplant the whole body — with the brain — to an other person, i.e. to the consciousness of this other person, which would very probably most likely be to be conducted by uploading the mind of the receiver of the transplant to the body of the donator, in a situation in which it would be determined that the donator's mind would, different than that of the receiver, not be able to hold the body to be donated together, any longer. Hans Dunkelberg ( talk) 21:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
All references to fictional accounts of this type of technology should be removed to another article, they serve no purpose other than to confuse the issue, as if to say this technology is utterly hypothetical and should be treated as fictional. Suffice it to say the technology to perform such a procedure exists, whether or not it's being used presently. Repeated citations of fictional accounts simply muddy the water and add grist to the mill for anyone who wants to engage in denialism on this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.81.236.15 ( talk) 19:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. Clearly the common name. Cúchullain t/ c 14:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Whole-body transplant → Brain transplant – Less ambiguous title. - --Relisted Cúchullain t/ c 19:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)Relisted Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0 06:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC) Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
I noticed in the Immune privilege article that it says that the brain isn't actually immunologically privileged. Which article is saying the truth? - 89.70.239.244 ( talk) 20:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I think it is in many ways, but not completely in the same way as any other privileged organ. here and here, right?
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