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Seems it'd have been a lot quicker to build the trail direct from Virginia City to Fort Hall. BarkingMoon ( talk) 23:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Please do not try to revise history. When a group of soldiers enter a village and murder everyone they find, they are not "defeating" them, they are "massacring" them. I'd accept "killed" or something similar, but implying a full military engagement is unacceptable for well-attested massacres (largely of women and children and infirm, elderly warriors). Grace Note ( talk) 02:47, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Your own source gives "attacked" not "engaged", and the source for Bear River Massacre describes the massacre in some detail. I will add a reference when I have time. Please don't revert it back to your POV version. Grace Note ( talk) 04:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
He [General Connor] was a hero to frontier settlers and traders after he soundly defeated a combined group of Bannacks and Shoshones at the Battle of Bear River in northern Utah in January, 1863
Seriously guys, maybe "killed" is doable, but "engaged" implies a contest of arms. The US forces attacked a village by surprise. The inhabitants that were armed fought back. If you wanted to say "attacked... leading to an engagement", perhaps that would be accurate enough, but as you have it, it seriously implies a military action on both sides. Riding into a village and murdering everyone you find is not generally considered an engagement of military forces however you cut it, even if some of the people you are murdering are armed and fight back. This is a bit like saying the Luftwaffe engaged the British in London. WP:NPOV doesn't allow cherrypicking sources to create POV btw, particularly when you are attempting to use someone's wording in a source to do so. The natural reading of the words on the page is not trumped by being able to cherrypick a source that uses that wording. Grace Note ( talk) 07:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Note that the Bozeman Trail map depicted at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bozeman01.png contains the following error: The "Flathead River" label presumably should read "Sun River" instead. (That is, the Flathead River lies west of the Continental Divide, which occurs along the left margin of this map.)
For an example reference, see /info/en/?search=List_of_rivers_of_Montana#/media/File:Mt-rivers.gif
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Seems it'd have been a lot quicker to build the trail direct from Virginia City to Fort Hall. BarkingMoon ( talk) 23:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Please do not try to revise history. When a group of soldiers enter a village and murder everyone they find, they are not "defeating" them, they are "massacring" them. I'd accept "killed" or something similar, but implying a full military engagement is unacceptable for well-attested massacres (largely of women and children and infirm, elderly warriors). Grace Note ( talk) 02:47, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Your own source gives "attacked" not "engaged", and the source for Bear River Massacre describes the massacre in some detail. I will add a reference when I have time. Please don't revert it back to your POV version. Grace Note ( talk) 04:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
He [General Connor] was a hero to frontier settlers and traders after he soundly defeated a combined group of Bannacks and Shoshones at the Battle of Bear River in northern Utah in January, 1863
Seriously guys, maybe "killed" is doable, but "engaged" implies a contest of arms. The US forces attacked a village by surprise. The inhabitants that were armed fought back. If you wanted to say "attacked... leading to an engagement", perhaps that would be accurate enough, but as you have it, it seriously implies a military action on both sides. Riding into a village and murdering everyone you find is not generally considered an engagement of military forces however you cut it, even if some of the people you are murdering are armed and fight back. This is a bit like saying the Luftwaffe engaged the British in London. WP:NPOV doesn't allow cherrypicking sources to create POV btw, particularly when you are attempting to use someone's wording in a source to do so. The natural reading of the words on the page is not trumped by being able to cherrypick a source that uses that wording. Grace Note ( talk) 07:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Note that the Bozeman Trail map depicted at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bozeman01.png contains the following error: The "Flathead River" label presumably should read "Sun River" instead. (That is, the Flathead River lies west of the Continental Divide, which occurs along the left margin of this map.)
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