This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-03-11. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
It is requested that an image or photograph of Boyd Haley be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific
media request template where possible.
The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
Does this article really need to be so one-sided? This biochemist (not a medical doctor) has been making claims about mercury, and has complained on the record about being called a quack. Now that appears notable to me, yet this article whitewashes the gentleman uncritically. What has happened to WP:NPOV? JFW | T@lk 19:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I added a reference for Hayley's observations about mercury in the hair of children with autism and substituted it for the autism.net link. In addition, the effects of mercury toxicity are quite distinct from Alzheimer's...I don't think the two of them would necessarily be lumped in the same category. Andrew73 13:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
So the people named or described here (and if this is to be a biographical page, surely it should only be about one person) are predicting a decrease in Autism starting 2 years after Thiomersal use declined? Shouldn't that be brought out as well? Didn't Thiomersal use decline more than 2 years ago in the US? Midgley 00:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
A quote overleaf tells us that mercury is well known for inhibiting the kidney... The first diuretics were Mercurial. We have lots better stuff now, but unless one is ratehr careful to specify what one is talking about in that connection, one is apt to look like a buzzword generator. Midgley 00:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
"... Haley has produced evidence supporting his hypothesis ..."
The way to do it though, is to produce a hypotheis that explains the evidence. Midgley 20:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I assume the evidence already existed - then he produced it. Sloppy wording, not an attempt to trick you. 24.128.186.53 ( talk) 16:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
The GW bit needs backing up, rather well.
The quote about adults weighing more than beabies should be refernced to where it came from, not where an un- WP:RS version of it sits. Midgley 11:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
so ";Quote
So shouldn't be in an article declared to be about Boyd Haley, should it...
Midgley 22:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I recently changed lead to acknowledge what the text of the article already concedes - medical consensus is against Haley's positions. Thiomersal and dental amalgams as a cause of autism/dementia is not widely held in the medical community and rejected by major medical and governmental positions. Yobol ( talk) 04:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
After reading this I bet that that is why my dentist doesn't use the old amalgam filings.
Mercury may not hurt you but my dentist may publicly go along with the "consensus" but he isn't going to take a chance.
24.128.186.53 (
talk)
16:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
As to my recent edit and its reversion, I think that the allegations are false [ diff]. Effectively, all I did did was properly cite Haley's view—which the article did not cite—and removed, not added, undue weight. I actually didn't add any "fringe views". So what is the real problem with citing Haley's views via Haley's own publications?
In this biography-of-living-persons article, Haley's, see my latest edit [ diff]. It corrects such putative "medical content" as user Alexbrn has tacitly deemed appropriate and properly sourced: sourced to a fringe journalist, and, at that, misrepresenting that journalists' summary of Haley's view. Is the actual standard of editing enforced here merely to make Haley look, not like a holder of a minority viewpoint, but instead like a holder of only ridiculous viewpoints? — Occurring ( talk) 23:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Alexbrn, I checked the article just now and noticed your newly heeding Wikipedia guidelines—by adding, not deleting, reliable sources. In fact, I myself had gathered the Offit citation yesterday, but was awaiting a day to pass before adding it, merely so that you don't, upon a technicality, post another notice on my talk page—this time for alleged edit warring—when I also add other sources with it. Now I will continue to edit the article via neutral point of view by including, in due weight, all major and significant minority viewpoints found in reliable sources (not merely in your assumptions).
Whatever your sentiments, the journal Biometals, indexed for Medline, is a reliable source to reveal Haley's actual views, and you are not a reliable source for that information. Also, I will correct some of your overstatement, since even the authoritative sources in the Haley article do not indicate that Haley argues "incorrectly". Rather, they state that no scientific evidence validates such claims as correct. In fact, many mainstream scientists, merely in the medical minority, do think that mercury exposure via healthcare may cause neurological impairments and diseases. And despite your baseless accusation that I'm anti-vaccinationist, neither dental materials nor vaccine ingredients require mercury. — Occurring ( talk) 20:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Boyd Haley. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 06:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-03-11. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
It is requested that an image or photograph of Boyd Haley be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific
media request template where possible.
The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
Does this article really need to be so one-sided? This biochemist (not a medical doctor) has been making claims about mercury, and has complained on the record about being called a quack. Now that appears notable to me, yet this article whitewashes the gentleman uncritically. What has happened to WP:NPOV? JFW | T@lk 19:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I added a reference for Hayley's observations about mercury in the hair of children with autism and substituted it for the autism.net link. In addition, the effects of mercury toxicity are quite distinct from Alzheimer's...I don't think the two of them would necessarily be lumped in the same category. Andrew73 13:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
So the people named or described here (and if this is to be a biographical page, surely it should only be about one person) are predicting a decrease in Autism starting 2 years after Thiomersal use declined? Shouldn't that be brought out as well? Didn't Thiomersal use decline more than 2 years ago in the US? Midgley 00:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
A quote overleaf tells us that mercury is well known for inhibiting the kidney... The first diuretics were Mercurial. We have lots better stuff now, but unless one is ratehr careful to specify what one is talking about in that connection, one is apt to look like a buzzword generator. Midgley 00:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
"... Haley has produced evidence supporting his hypothesis ..."
The way to do it though, is to produce a hypotheis that explains the evidence. Midgley 20:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I assume the evidence already existed - then he produced it. Sloppy wording, not an attempt to trick you. 24.128.186.53 ( talk) 16:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
The GW bit needs backing up, rather well.
The quote about adults weighing more than beabies should be refernced to where it came from, not where an un- WP:RS version of it sits. Midgley 11:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
so ";Quote
So shouldn't be in an article declared to be about Boyd Haley, should it...
Midgley 22:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I recently changed lead to acknowledge what the text of the article already concedes - medical consensus is against Haley's positions. Thiomersal and dental amalgams as a cause of autism/dementia is not widely held in the medical community and rejected by major medical and governmental positions. Yobol ( talk) 04:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
After reading this I bet that that is why my dentist doesn't use the old amalgam filings.
Mercury may not hurt you but my dentist may publicly go along with the "consensus" but he isn't going to take a chance.
24.128.186.53 (
talk)
16:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
As to my recent edit and its reversion, I think that the allegations are false [ diff]. Effectively, all I did did was properly cite Haley's view—which the article did not cite—and removed, not added, undue weight. I actually didn't add any "fringe views". So what is the real problem with citing Haley's views via Haley's own publications?
In this biography-of-living-persons article, Haley's, see my latest edit [ diff]. It corrects such putative "medical content" as user Alexbrn has tacitly deemed appropriate and properly sourced: sourced to a fringe journalist, and, at that, misrepresenting that journalists' summary of Haley's view. Is the actual standard of editing enforced here merely to make Haley look, not like a holder of a minority viewpoint, but instead like a holder of only ridiculous viewpoints? — Occurring ( talk) 23:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Alexbrn, I checked the article just now and noticed your newly heeding Wikipedia guidelines—by adding, not deleting, reliable sources. In fact, I myself had gathered the Offit citation yesterday, but was awaiting a day to pass before adding it, merely so that you don't, upon a technicality, post another notice on my talk page—this time for alleged edit warring—when I also add other sources with it. Now I will continue to edit the article via neutral point of view by including, in due weight, all major and significant minority viewpoints found in reliable sources (not merely in your assumptions).
Whatever your sentiments, the journal Biometals, indexed for Medline, is a reliable source to reveal Haley's actual views, and you are not a reliable source for that information. Also, I will correct some of your overstatement, since even the authoritative sources in the Haley article do not indicate that Haley argues "incorrectly". Rather, they state that no scientific evidence validates such claims as correct. In fact, many mainstream scientists, merely in the medical minority, do think that mercury exposure via healthcare may cause neurological impairments and diseases. And despite your baseless accusation that I'm anti-vaccinationist, neither dental materials nor vaccine ingredients require mercury. — Occurring ( talk) 20:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Boyd Haley. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 06:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)