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Boy Soprano. My grandson is interested in singing. What age would tuition normally start, Liam O'Leary, olearyls@eircom.net.
As the article (now) says, training often begins around 7 or 8 years of age. I joined the Chapel Choir at Newington College, a Uniting Church school around age 10. ralmin 02:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The list of "popular" boy choirs seems rather arbitrary, as it certainly does not include some of the major superb English choirs that are about as popular as can be. Should this list be greatly expanded or eliminated?
Are there ANY references for the explanation surrounding Bach and the "hiatus" between puberty and change of voice. Sounds a bit odd to me... <eg> -- 80.136.185.6 04:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia currently lacks an article on boys' choirs - whch are NOT (as this article points out!) the same as the boy sopranos (and boy altos, not to mention - in many cases - the newly minted tenors and basses) who sing in them. Since my son joined the Zürich Sängerknaben I've been fascinated with this tradition and its history, and I'll try to put something together - if only a stub. It's high time Wikipedia had something! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.162.103.253 ( talk) 07:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Regarding
In fact all boys can continue to sing in their upper range their entire lives, a technique called falsetto. While few men cultivate the skill, at least in America, it's rare for it to be impossible. True, a falsettist's top range is not as high as a boy soprano, but this sentence is woefully inadequate. — Wahoofive ( talk) 04:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Good point, although it would be more accurate to say a falsettist's top range is usually not as high as a boy soprano: some men can reach extremely high notes in falsetto. Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 00:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Excuse me, the term "Boy Soprano" does not exist. It is slang for the correct word: Treble. You say treble is british english, I'm afraid to say that the terms boy and soprano contradict each other anyway. A soprano is and remains to be a female singer with a high range. "Soprano" does not mean "range". This is why I'm changing the title of this article to treble.-- Brainsurgeonrocketscientist 05:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone knows of Paul Chapman, who performed a treble solo on Michael Nyman's "Miserere", which was composed for the soundtrack to the film entitled "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover". Would it be appropriate to mention him in this article at all? Oberschlesien 14:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
It may be worthwhile, perhaps on a new related page, to discuss cathdral choristers and some of the traditions and roles, such as auditions, years of service, religious duties, ranks such as Head Boy (Head Chorister), choristers of the year, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.80.10 ( talk) 21:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I notice there is no page for a "boy alto" although such a voice type is referred to in various works, sch as Menotti's Chip and His Dog, an opera intended to be played by children. Is the definition of such a voice even more nebulous?--19:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottandrewhutchins ( talk • contribs)
This article would be much improved by the addition of some photographs.Das Baz 16:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
someone might want to take a look at this claim. most christian liturgy dates from the christian era, don't sure how much christian liturgy is known to be pre-christian... 70.26.6.134 ( talk) 21:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Joe
I am very near tempted to remove the sentence: "The fact that boys are no longer trained to sing in the head voice is a significant factor in the demise of the older boy soprano." This is, in fact, not sourced from any document, and I personally train my boys to sing in their upper registers well into the age of 15-16. This sentence doesn't help the article.
Secondly, if this article is going to be linked with the WikiProject-Opera, I believe all content relating to Trebles and liturgical functions should be removed and a second more liturgically friendly page about Trebles created. I'm happy to create the page, but I wanted to check on discussion first. I've left the article intact, but sources are readily available for citing. Perhaps also, elements from Choirboy should also be combined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragoonboy ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 17 December 2014
The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 15:28, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Boy soprano →
Treble (voice) – I believe that this is the more common term for a "boy soprano"; certainly it is in the UK (in fact I had not come across the term "boy soprano" before without the explanation that a treble was a young male soprano). Google shows 54000 results for "treble voice"
[1] but only 10000 for "boy soprano voice"
[2] so I suggest that this is moved. --Relisted.
Number
5
7 14:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
JZ
CL
20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Update: "The soprano part is sung by women or girls, or by boys with unbroken voices: traditionally church and cathedral choirs used boys' voices, though they are more often called trebles rather than sopranos." - Eric Taylor: The AB guide to music theory part II (revised 2011) section 14/1 p. 106. ISBN 978-1-85472-447-2
Apparently A3-F5 - any sources to back this up? The only thing I could find was this which seemed to be suggesting that they rarely go into anything below E4 (because they do not make use of chest voice) and use the upper part of the soprano register more than anything else. I am, however, currently very dissatisfied with the range section, and will improve it when I find out what the vocal range is. JZ CL 16:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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Boy Soprano. My grandson is interested in singing. What age would tuition normally start, Liam O'Leary, olearyls@eircom.net.
As the article (now) says, training often begins around 7 or 8 years of age. I joined the Chapel Choir at Newington College, a Uniting Church school around age 10. ralmin 02:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The list of "popular" boy choirs seems rather arbitrary, as it certainly does not include some of the major superb English choirs that are about as popular as can be. Should this list be greatly expanded or eliminated?
Are there ANY references for the explanation surrounding Bach and the "hiatus" between puberty and change of voice. Sounds a bit odd to me... <eg> -- 80.136.185.6 04:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia currently lacks an article on boys' choirs - whch are NOT (as this article points out!) the same as the boy sopranos (and boy altos, not to mention - in many cases - the newly minted tenors and basses) who sing in them. Since my son joined the Zürich Sängerknaben I've been fascinated with this tradition and its history, and I'll try to put something together - if only a stub. It's high time Wikipedia had something! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.162.103.253 ( talk) 07:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Regarding
In fact all boys can continue to sing in their upper range their entire lives, a technique called falsetto. While few men cultivate the skill, at least in America, it's rare for it to be impossible. True, a falsettist's top range is not as high as a boy soprano, but this sentence is woefully inadequate. — Wahoofive ( talk) 04:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Good point, although it would be more accurate to say a falsettist's top range is usually not as high as a boy soprano: some men can reach extremely high notes in falsetto. Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 00:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Excuse me, the term "Boy Soprano" does not exist. It is slang for the correct word: Treble. You say treble is british english, I'm afraid to say that the terms boy and soprano contradict each other anyway. A soprano is and remains to be a female singer with a high range. "Soprano" does not mean "range". This is why I'm changing the title of this article to treble.-- Brainsurgeonrocketscientist 05:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone knows of Paul Chapman, who performed a treble solo on Michael Nyman's "Miserere", which was composed for the soundtrack to the film entitled "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover". Would it be appropriate to mention him in this article at all? Oberschlesien 14:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
It may be worthwhile, perhaps on a new related page, to discuss cathdral choristers and some of the traditions and roles, such as auditions, years of service, religious duties, ranks such as Head Boy (Head Chorister), choristers of the year, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.80.10 ( talk) 21:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I notice there is no page for a "boy alto" although such a voice type is referred to in various works, sch as Menotti's Chip and His Dog, an opera intended to be played by children. Is the definition of such a voice even more nebulous?--19:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottandrewhutchins ( talk • contribs)
This article would be much improved by the addition of some photographs.Das Baz 16:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
someone might want to take a look at this claim. most christian liturgy dates from the christian era, don't sure how much christian liturgy is known to be pre-christian... 70.26.6.134 ( talk) 21:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Joe
I am very near tempted to remove the sentence: "The fact that boys are no longer trained to sing in the head voice is a significant factor in the demise of the older boy soprano." This is, in fact, not sourced from any document, and I personally train my boys to sing in their upper registers well into the age of 15-16. This sentence doesn't help the article.
Secondly, if this article is going to be linked with the WikiProject-Opera, I believe all content relating to Trebles and liturgical functions should be removed and a second more liturgically friendly page about Trebles created. I'm happy to create the page, but I wanted to check on discussion first. I've left the article intact, but sources are readily available for citing. Perhaps also, elements from Choirboy should also be combined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragoonboy ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 17 December 2014
The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 15:28, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Boy soprano →
Treble (voice) – I believe that this is the more common term for a "boy soprano"; certainly it is in the UK (in fact I had not come across the term "boy soprano" before without the explanation that a treble was a young male soprano). Google shows 54000 results for "treble voice"
[1] but only 10000 for "boy soprano voice"
[2] so I suggest that this is moved. --Relisted.
Number
5
7 14:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
JZ
CL
20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Update: "The soprano part is sung by women or girls, or by boys with unbroken voices: traditionally church and cathedral choirs used boys' voices, though they are more often called trebles rather than sopranos." - Eric Taylor: The AB guide to music theory part II (revised 2011) section 14/1 p. 106. ISBN 978-1-85472-447-2
Apparently A3-F5 - any sources to back this up? The only thing I could find was this which seemed to be suggesting that they rarely go into anything below E4 (because they do not make use of chest voice) and use the upper part of the soprano register more than anything else. I am, however, currently very dissatisfied with the range section, and will improve it when I find out what the vocal range is. JZ CL 16:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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