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As I cut some details from the article to keep the length down it occurred to me that some people might think there was a political motive in my reducing the number of references to Poole (X is really in Poole and not in Bournemouth, etc). My motive for removing some of these references is that some of them are repeated, and that some of them are excessive detail in a long article, particularly if they are already mentioned in the article of the relevant subject. While it is an interesting phenomenon that deserves a mention, well to me at least, it doesn't need half a dozen mentions in an article that is already very long. That is my only concern here. Britmax ( talk) 10:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I know that the economy section is going to need a lot of work; the listing of companies based in Bournemouth is arbitary. Much better would be to form an overview of the sectors and topics with breadth (e.g. employment (see reference note)). The table could be improved, and the referenced source's value is debatable. A better source, I believe, is this one: http://urbecon.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/TheBournemouthEconomy2005.pdf. But what does anyone else think? MasterOfHisOwnDomain ( talk) 21:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
"As of February 2010, Fibrecity is connecting 4,000 homes and businesses a month in Bournemouth to the network and it is hoped that the town will be fully connected by the end of 2010." - is there a source for this, other than Fibrecity themselves (I seriously doubt it is true). —Preceding
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I cannot find a source to support the statement (said of the Fibrecity network) that "This is part of the National Government's plans for everyone in the UK to have access to 100 Mbit Broadband by 2010." I am not aware that the Government of the United Kingdom has any plans to provide everyone with 100Mbps broadband. If they do, can we have a citation, please? Tagging statement with citation needed, for now, but I think this statement will need to be removed. 79.79.135.250 ( talk) 12:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I looked up this article because I found some references to the British Hard Court Championships having been played in Bournemouth (see History of tennis: The first Grand Prix tournament was the British Hard Court Championships played on clay at Bournemouth on 28 April.), but I could not find a mention of tennis in the Sport section. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the subject to add it, but it certainly seems a sufficiently important part of Bournemouth's sport history to be included. Coyets ( talk) 12:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have found no evidence that Bournemouth is twinned with Târgu Mureş, Romania. Please confirm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luketh ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
http://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/Council/twin_towns.asp
Bournemouth has two twin towns. Others removed and must stay removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.198.129 ( talk) 23:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Proposed originally by Britmax 3 years ago, I agree that the article Bournemouth Eye should be merged into this in a new section, given that it's too small to require its own article. Any thoughts about it? ErKURITA ( talk) 19:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I proposed the merge on the main article. Now, what section would be fitting to include this article in? I first thought about Transportation->Air but it doesn't really serve as one. Then I thought about Culture and recreation, giving it its own sub-section. Thoughts? ErKURITA ( talk) 14:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
If there are no objections, I shall proceed with the merge ErKURITA ( talk) 22:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
A decade or so ago Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch was going to be merged into one and called Wessex City - or City Wessex. This could have some link when it is discussed about certain things being linked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.18.225 ( talk) 14:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
In March I went to Bournemouth and I visited the Pier of Bournemouth and Boscombe (suburb). At the pictures you can see the same Pier but once it's called "Boscombe Pier" and once "Bournemouth Pier". I think that it's the Bournemouth Pier because there is a theatre on it. The Boscombe Pier is much smaller. If you don't agree I can post a photo of Boscombe Pier. Sorry for my bad english. -- Renredam ( talk) 12:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I am getting more than a little frustrated at having my edit to the wildlife section removed. There can be no possible reason for deleting the comments on the Fox, Rabbit, Badger, Frog, Toad, Newt and Bat populations. As to the Pumas, I posted verification as requested, which was then removed on copyright grounds. How can I show that both the National Media and the local Police have agreed that there are Pumas in Bournemouth, if I'm not allowed to qoute the proof that I've been asked to provide ? Would somebody PLEASE check the back edits, and then post an ACCEPTABLE version ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.37.228.165 ( talk) 21:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I will attempt to come up with something that beats the filters, or whatever. Perhaps there is a distinction to be drawn between the Wikipedia "full timers" and the average interested observer ? Oh, and I think (personaly) that there is a difference between "Original Research" and what I attempted to do with regard to the Bournemouth Wildlife text Be that as it may, if I need to cite the press artical in order to verify the information, then I am going to have to be fairly creative to avoid any direct qoutes. Copyright is important, I admit, but qouting a verifiable newspaper source surely doesn't infringe it ? Ah well, I still love Wikipedia... i'll try harder. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.37.228.172 ( talk) 20:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I believe there is some outdated information in the "Education" section of the wiki. It says "...the four sixth forms.". However, there is a new sixth form, Avonbourne sixth form. I don't know if Avonbounre is actually included in this number, but it's a relatively new sixth form, So could someone check to see if it should be 'five sixth forms' instead of four?
I really think the paragraph referring to the Imax/Waterfront building should be removed from the Landmarks section of this article. I appreciate it has dominated the seafront for sometime but it is now clearly being demolished and although there are many thoughts about what constitutes a landmark, surely it has to be visible which the Imax won't be for much longer. If anyone has any ideas how it can be re-worked into another section (Culture or History perhaps) I will gladly consider that.-- Ykraps ( talk) 09:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
The statement "The town escaped heavy bombing during the Second World War" may be questionable. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission record 175 civilians died in the Bournemouth County Borough area due to enemy action, dates covering 1940 to 1944. How much bombing has to take place to be classified as "heavy"? I might be more inclined to phrase it as "The town was not heavily bombed in comparison to a number of major cities and ports". Cloptonson ( talk) 13:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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Well my dad grew up here and I have fond memories of playing on the beach at Durley Chine, so how could I not review this? I'll read through the whole article now and probably leave comments tomorrow. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:55, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
..one of the few English towns that one can safely call "her".First and Last Loves John Betjeman
Bournemouth's looking up, I'm glad to sayThat Modernistic there has come to stay.
I walk the asphalt paths of Branksome Chine
In resin-scented air like strong Greek wine.
Poet laureate John Betjeman was founding president of Bournemouth Civic Society and described St Stephen’s Church as "the most beautiful Victorian church in the south-west". [7]-- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
I think this paragraph needs a bit more at the front. When was the airport originally built and what did it serve? I'd suggest looking at RAF Hurn (which is the airport in its former guise), but that doesn't have much in the way of sources
I think all the issues listed above should be relatively easy to solve, so I'm putting the review On hold pending completion of them. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I've checked everything, and everything looks good. This is a great introduction to anyone about Bournemouth. And because the average viewing traffic is over 250,000 a year, you get a free Quarter Million Award thrown in. Well done! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone keeps adding the figure of over half a million to the infobox of this article. The population of Bournemouth is a long way short of this so I can only assume that they think the population of the surrounding urban area counts in some way. The problem with this is that Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch are independent towns with their own governance and identities. Whether or not you think they should be joined is not the point: the fact is that they are not, and it is inaccurate to suggest that they are. This figure might be useful to people assessing infrastructure needs, etc, but that does not make it relevant to this article, and the South East Dorset Conurbation has its own. I await discussion to form consensus on this issue. Britmax ( talk) 21:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Response Okay im not in anyway looking for a silly edit war over this contribution. Southampton has a Metro population of over 6 times because it isn't a estimate of the population of Southampton but Southampton and the surrounding population. Metro Areas in the UK Urban Areas in the UK and please check other citys and towns articles and your learn they all state there population and surrounding residents. The estimates are genuine non mid-term estimates from both ONS and ESPON. Its not as simple as just removing population or anything your removing a fair genuine contribution that features on many towns and citys across the country and ,i dont think its fair that my contribution gets removed when this data is available else were on Wikipedia. If its inaccurate else where then you go change all of the estimates because to be fair this is not just stated on Wikipedia but both on the ESPON PDF 2001 Census and ONS 2011 Census. Don't remove the estimate all together if you dont agree with it change it ,otherwise its obviously vandal. Please also look up the definition for both Metropolitan and Urban Population if this problem persists.thanks 00:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The IP keeps referring to the “town’s population” as if he hasn’t realised that the figure 183,491 is the population of the borough. I tried to explain this on his talk page but he appears to have deleted it. But even if he does know the difference, I still have a number of problems with the figures he is adding: Firstly they are incorrect and appear to have been lifted from the articles List of urban areas in the United Kingdom and List of metropolitan areas in the United Kingdom, which are now hopelessly outdated; secondly, the figures are for areas which are either poorly defined or not defined at all; the South-east Dorset Conurbation has a current population of between 379, 078 and 450,000 depending on the definition you use, the ONS for example include New Milton (a town that isn’t even in the same county), [ [9]] and the Metropolitan Area is loosely described by Eurostat as UKK21 (Bournemouth and Poole) and parts of UKK22 (Dorset). [ [10]] Lastly, like Britmax, I fail to see how they are relevant to an article about the town and borough.-- Ykraps ( talk) 16:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
...And if anyone has an explanation as to why the figures here fall short of the 383,713 [ [11]] total by some 480 residents, I'd be interested to hear it.-- Ykraps ( talk) 17:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
To correct some of you, i am Female not Male so please stop referring me to "him" or "hes" plus the account concept4life isn't my account otherwise ,i would be using it wouldn't i. If my figures are not correct then Correct them because otherwise your vandalising contributions to wikipedia. London has many articles regarding its population but its overall Metro and Urban population is included in the city's own article like other towns and city's around the UK including Southampton which sets a good example for Bournemouth Article. Recently ,i have used a different IP to edit as ,i have been editing for years and never found such hassle over these less informed users editing this article and please stop referring to me as a man ,i can't express enough. If my contribution is wrong correct it rather than remove the estimates. Please check Southampton article as the metropolitan area is over six times the borough population and is still given good article status. 00:00, 08 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.56.162 ( talk)
We are two different contributors on the same IP address. Please will you reevaluate adding this information or similar statistics to the Bournemouth article. To correct you Britmax as it clearly states on my contribution these are the metro and urban areas surrounding the work to travel area of town. 02:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.56.162 ( talk)
I will start using official information instead of this unreliable information still available on Wikipedia regarding Bournemouth population centers. Does anyone have links to official stats. ( talk) 13:56, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
466,626 is the 2011 estimate given by ONS for "Bournemouth Urban area". ( talk) 14:12, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
""Please"" can you stop editing 'Bournemouth' article, by removing the urban population of Bournemouth, this statistic is essential in this article and you keep removing without a valid explanation. The urban population is 466,626 and this 'statistic' is featured in many other articles. We both know that the population of the region is much larger than what your trying to make it out to be which doesn't make sense. Please check Reading, Southampton and Portsmouth as they all feature this statistic. I would like to take this further. It's better having a outdated statistic than making it out like Bournemouth doesn't have anyone living outside of it and that's why this is included in many other towns info boxes. ( talk) 01:17, 26 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.114.212 ( talk)
After making a fool of myself with my earlier edits of the cite for the length of the Jurassic Coast, I hope I can regain some of my dignity by trying to explain where I was coming from.
I had visited the http://jurassiccoast.org website earlier, and (still) believe it to be the website of the official body charged by the UK government with looking after that part of the coast. Indeed the Wikipedia Jurassic Coast article cites it as the "Jurassic Coast official website". Granted the pdf file that was originally cited in this article is a tourist leaflet, but the website itself is perfectly legitimate and authoritative when it comes to the information it disseminates.
For those reasons I believe the official website is better than a mere "tourist brochure" and can legitimately be used (indeed certainly should be used) to support facts about the Jurassic Coast. So I would like to suggest replacing the current cite from the UNESCO website (or at least supplementing it) with a page from the jurassiccoast.org website. LL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lowland Laddie ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Nearly every UK site mentioning the length gives it as 95 miles. On google.co.uk, 3200 give 95 miles without mentioning km, 21 give 155 km without mentioning miles and 23 give both. The consensus is definitely 95 miles, so let's go with that.
Lowland Laddie ( talk) 21:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Ykraps is correct too. Studland and Poole Harbour lie between the end of the Jurassic coast and Bournemouth, so it seems a bit tourist brochure like to suggest Bournemouth is directly to the east.
Lowland Laddie ( talk) 21:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I'd just as soon remove the sentence altogether. It belongs in the Poole article perhaps but not really this one. What next, "Bournemouth is a little way south of Stonehenge"?-- Ykraps ( talk) 06:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks to ArbieP for taking an interest in the article and for what must've been a substantial amount of work but I have a few issues:
This is currently a WP:Good Article but a lack of references coupled with the bullet points could easily see it downgraded. Comments anyone?-- Ykraps ( talk) 12:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you for the constructive way you have voiced your issues about the new notable people section for Bournemouth to which I have contributed. I spot three main issues:
And, to be candid, an issue of my own – I was a bit concerned about how long the list turned out to be, and if any undue length might weigh down on the rest of the article. I hope it doesn’t and that the subdivision into (currently) ten slots helps sustain its readability.
I too look forward to comments from other readers.
ArbieP ( talk) 14:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
As an outsider just passing through, may I say that I think this list is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long! I doubt that anyone wanting to know about Bournemouth would take the time to read through the entirety of this. Surely, "notable" means widely known for having achieved something in an important field, not just anyone in any field who has some connection; e.g. "Page 3 girl and glamour model" - really? It seems to me that, for most of the names in this list, Bournemouth may be notable for them, but they are not notable for Bournemouth.
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Thankyou for those interesting comments. Separately I've just become aware of
WP:LISTBIO which, I think, covers the issue of a list rather than a narrative. I see the point about providing a reference in the list to each person's connection with Bournemouth, but what happens then is that adding that (for example) they were born in Bournemouth becomes a bit repetitious and wastes space. Blurryman makes a good point, the list is very long. It might shrink to a third of the size by deleting people whose notability is, let's say, a bit thin, but that's still quite a long list; and notability is usually often summarised as having an entry in Wikipedia. Not quite sure where this leaves us, but I look forward to more views.
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Ykraps.
I am keen for my work (1) not to be lost or (2) cause difficulty for the remainder of the article retaining its status as a Good Article. Perhaps a solution lies in the way schools have been handled - some narrative on the main page and a linked list viz List of schools in Bournemouth. I don't know how to create a new linked page like this, but if it were to be done, the main page could perhaps then feature some narrative about the proliferation of actors, authors and musicians, which I'd be happy to do. Comments?
ArbieP ( talk) 18:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Ykraps
Thankyou for your help and guidance. I've begun drafting some narrative for the main article (as well referenced as I can make it) and will post it in a few days time; I'll transform the current list into a new linked page.
ArbieP ( talk) 09:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Done
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Please feel free to update, amend, correct or otherwise improve the notables section. In particular with your local knowledge you are likely to be better placed than me to know what properly counts as Bournemouth and what does not.
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We have an editor insisting that the quantity 10^9 be rendered as 1000 million instead of simply 1 billion, arguing that billion is ambiguous, and reverted attempts by several editors over many years to change this. Billion indeed has an obsolete meaning of "a million millions" but that meaning has been almost entirely unknown in careful writing for decades, and MOS:NUMERAL states that on enwp billion unambiguously means "a thousand millions". Billion is therefore not ambiguous for our purposes, and there is no reason to use the awkward 1000 million.
Our article
World population does things appropriately. It names millions as millions and billions as billions, though at one point saying More refined estimates were 600 to 1000 million in the early 1800s and 800 to 1000 million in the 1840s
, which is a perfectly appropriate exception, just as in a table column headed Revenue (millions) you might see, for example, values of 340, 670, 980, and 1200 – the last representing 1.2 billion.
Thoughts, please. Paging SMcCandlish, who has a billion (short-scale billion) style guides on his shelf. E Eng 21:50, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Well that sounds like original research to me. These five books [ [20]] [ [21]] [ [22]] [ [23]] [ [24]] all specifically use 1,000 million and were published between 2003 and 2011. This article is written in British English and in British English, a billion is still an ambiguous term. I see no good reason to change things here other than to be deliberately antagonistic. -- Ykraps ( talk) 06:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
in British English a billion used to be a million million (1,000,000,000,000) but is now aligned with the American billion (1,000,000,000). Period, full stop, no equivocating. Oxford's guide [28] merely says
When discussing large numbers in text, it is fine to use k/m/bn as shorter ways of spelling out 1,000/1,000,000/1,000,000,000 (or writing out ‘one thousand’/‘one million’/‘one billion’), as long as you are consistent throughout the document– no mention of the long-short issue at all, just like we don't provide horse-and-buggy parking at places of public accommodation and there's no smoking on planes. The 21st century is here now, even in Britain.
I am not a Wikipedia expert, however within the population column, I am trying to be in-depth and include the 'Town' population and 'Local Authority' population like these Reading, Berkshire, Brighton or Woking. I have tried and failed to find ONS statistics so if anyone finds time to edit and add this, would be appreciated. Especially after the recent council merger. Many Thanks - arofun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.228.187 ( talk) 02:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Some of the photos should be updated, namely the one in the infobox that shows the now demolished Waterfront building and the one of the exterior of Pier Theatre, which has since been converted into an indoor rock climbing centre. SonnikuSan ( talk) 13:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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As I cut some details from the article to keep the length down it occurred to me that some people might think there was a political motive in my reducing the number of references to Poole (X is really in Poole and not in Bournemouth, etc). My motive for removing some of these references is that some of them are repeated, and that some of them are excessive detail in a long article, particularly if they are already mentioned in the article of the relevant subject. While it is an interesting phenomenon that deserves a mention, well to me at least, it doesn't need half a dozen mentions in an article that is already very long. That is my only concern here. Britmax ( talk) 10:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I know that the economy section is going to need a lot of work; the listing of companies based in Bournemouth is arbitary. Much better would be to form an overview of the sectors and topics with breadth (e.g. employment (see reference note)). The table could be improved, and the referenced source's value is debatable. A better source, I believe, is this one: http://urbecon.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/TheBournemouthEconomy2005.pdf. But what does anyone else think? MasterOfHisOwnDomain ( talk) 21:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
"As of February 2010, Fibrecity is connecting 4,000 homes and businesses a month in Bournemouth to the network and it is hoped that the town will be fully connected by the end of 2010." - is there a source for this, other than Fibrecity themselves (I seriously doubt it is true). —Preceding
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I cannot find a source to support the statement (said of the Fibrecity network) that "This is part of the National Government's plans for everyone in the UK to have access to 100 Mbit Broadband by 2010." I am not aware that the Government of the United Kingdom has any plans to provide everyone with 100Mbps broadband. If they do, can we have a citation, please? Tagging statement with citation needed, for now, but I think this statement will need to be removed. 79.79.135.250 ( talk) 12:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I looked up this article because I found some references to the British Hard Court Championships having been played in Bournemouth (see History of tennis: The first Grand Prix tournament was the British Hard Court Championships played on clay at Bournemouth on 28 April.), but I could not find a mention of tennis in the Sport section. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the subject to add it, but it certainly seems a sufficiently important part of Bournemouth's sport history to be included. Coyets ( talk) 12:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have found no evidence that Bournemouth is twinned with Târgu Mureş, Romania. Please confirm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luketh ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
http://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/Council/twin_towns.asp
Bournemouth has two twin towns. Others removed and must stay removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.198.129 ( talk) 23:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Proposed originally by Britmax 3 years ago, I agree that the article Bournemouth Eye should be merged into this in a new section, given that it's too small to require its own article. Any thoughts about it? ErKURITA ( talk) 19:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I proposed the merge on the main article. Now, what section would be fitting to include this article in? I first thought about Transportation->Air but it doesn't really serve as one. Then I thought about Culture and recreation, giving it its own sub-section. Thoughts? ErKURITA ( talk) 14:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
If there are no objections, I shall proceed with the merge ErKURITA ( talk) 22:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
A decade or so ago Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch was going to be merged into one and called Wessex City - or City Wessex. This could have some link when it is discussed about certain things being linked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.18.225 ( talk) 14:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
In March I went to Bournemouth and I visited the Pier of Bournemouth and Boscombe (suburb). At the pictures you can see the same Pier but once it's called "Boscombe Pier" and once "Bournemouth Pier". I think that it's the Bournemouth Pier because there is a theatre on it. The Boscombe Pier is much smaller. If you don't agree I can post a photo of Boscombe Pier. Sorry for my bad english. -- Renredam ( talk) 12:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I am getting more than a little frustrated at having my edit to the wildlife section removed. There can be no possible reason for deleting the comments on the Fox, Rabbit, Badger, Frog, Toad, Newt and Bat populations. As to the Pumas, I posted verification as requested, which was then removed on copyright grounds. How can I show that both the National Media and the local Police have agreed that there are Pumas in Bournemouth, if I'm not allowed to qoute the proof that I've been asked to provide ? Would somebody PLEASE check the back edits, and then post an ACCEPTABLE version ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.37.228.165 ( talk) 21:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I will attempt to come up with something that beats the filters, or whatever. Perhaps there is a distinction to be drawn between the Wikipedia "full timers" and the average interested observer ? Oh, and I think (personaly) that there is a difference between "Original Research" and what I attempted to do with regard to the Bournemouth Wildlife text Be that as it may, if I need to cite the press artical in order to verify the information, then I am going to have to be fairly creative to avoid any direct qoutes. Copyright is important, I admit, but qouting a verifiable newspaper source surely doesn't infringe it ? Ah well, I still love Wikipedia... i'll try harder. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.37.228.172 ( talk) 20:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I believe there is some outdated information in the "Education" section of the wiki. It says "...the four sixth forms.". However, there is a new sixth form, Avonbourne sixth form. I don't know if Avonbounre is actually included in this number, but it's a relatively new sixth form, So could someone check to see if it should be 'five sixth forms' instead of four?
I really think the paragraph referring to the Imax/Waterfront building should be removed from the Landmarks section of this article. I appreciate it has dominated the seafront for sometime but it is now clearly being demolished and although there are many thoughts about what constitutes a landmark, surely it has to be visible which the Imax won't be for much longer. If anyone has any ideas how it can be re-worked into another section (Culture or History perhaps) I will gladly consider that.-- Ykraps ( talk) 09:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
The statement "The town escaped heavy bombing during the Second World War" may be questionable. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission record 175 civilians died in the Bournemouth County Borough area due to enemy action, dates covering 1940 to 1944. How much bombing has to take place to be classified as "heavy"? I might be more inclined to phrase it as "The town was not heavily bombed in comparison to a number of major cities and ports". Cloptonson ( talk) 13:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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Well my dad grew up here and I have fond memories of playing on the beach at Durley Chine, so how could I not review this? I'll read through the whole article now and probably leave comments tomorrow. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:55, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
..one of the few English towns that one can safely call "her".First and Last Loves John Betjeman
Bournemouth's looking up, I'm glad to sayThat Modernistic there has come to stay.
I walk the asphalt paths of Branksome Chine
In resin-scented air like strong Greek wine.
Poet laureate John Betjeman was founding president of Bournemouth Civic Society and described St Stephen’s Church as "the most beautiful Victorian church in the south-west". [7]-- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
I think this paragraph needs a bit more at the front. When was the airport originally built and what did it serve? I'd suggest looking at RAF Hurn (which is the airport in its former guise), but that doesn't have much in the way of sources
I think all the issues listed above should be relatively easy to solve, so I'm putting the review On hold pending completion of them. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I've checked everything, and everything looks good. This is a great introduction to anyone about Bournemouth. And because the average viewing traffic is over 250,000 a year, you get a free Quarter Million Award thrown in. Well done! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone keeps adding the figure of over half a million to the infobox of this article. The population of Bournemouth is a long way short of this so I can only assume that they think the population of the surrounding urban area counts in some way. The problem with this is that Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch are independent towns with their own governance and identities. Whether or not you think they should be joined is not the point: the fact is that they are not, and it is inaccurate to suggest that they are. This figure might be useful to people assessing infrastructure needs, etc, but that does not make it relevant to this article, and the South East Dorset Conurbation has its own. I await discussion to form consensus on this issue. Britmax ( talk) 21:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Response Okay im not in anyway looking for a silly edit war over this contribution. Southampton has a Metro population of over 6 times because it isn't a estimate of the population of Southampton but Southampton and the surrounding population. Metro Areas in the UK Urban Areas in the UK and please check other citys and towns articles and your learn they all state there population and surrounding residents. The estimates are genuine non mid-term estimates from both ONS and ESPON. Its not as simple as just removing population or anything your removing a fair genuine contribution that features on many towns and citys across the country and ,i dont think its fair that my contribution gets removed when this data is available else were on Wikipedia. If its inaccurate else where then you go change all of the estimates because to be fair this is not just stated on Wikipedia but both on the ESPON PDF 2001 Census and ONS 2011 Census. Don't remove the estimate all together if you dont agree with it change it ,otherwise its obviously vandal. Please also look up the definition for both Metropolitan and Urban Population if this problem persists.thanks 00:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The IP keeps referring to the “town’s population” as if he hasn’t realised that the figure 183,491 is the population of the borough. I tried to explain this on his talk page but he appears to have deleted it. But even if he does know the difference, I still have a number of problems with the figures he is adding: Firstly they are incorrect and appear to have been lifted from the articles List of urban areas in the United Kingdom and List of metropolitan areas in the United Kingdom, which are now hopelessly outdated; secondly, the figures are for areas which are either poorly defined or not defined at all; the South-east Dorset Conurbation has a current population of between 379, 078 and 450,000 depending on the definition you use, the ONS for example include New Milton (a town that isn’t even in the same county), [ [9]] and the Metropolitan Area is loosely described by Eurostat as UKK21 (Bournemouth and Poole) and parts of UKK22 (Dorset). [ [10]] Lastly, like Britmax, I fail to see how they are relevant to an article about the town and borough.-- Ykraps ( talk) 16:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
...And if anyone has an explanation as to why the figures here fall short of the 383,713 [ [11]] total by some 480 residents, I'd be interested to hear it.-- Ykraps ( talk) 17:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
To correct some of you, i am Female not Male so please stop referring me to "him" or "hes" plus the account concept4life isn't my account otherwise ,i would be using it wouldn't i. If my figures are not correct then Correct them because otherwise your vandalising contributions to wikipedia. London has many articles regarding its population but its overall Metro and Urban population is included in the city's own article like other towns and city's around the UK including Southampton which sets a good example for Bournemouth Article. Recently ,i have used a different IP to edit as ,i have been editing for years and never found such hassle over these less informed users editing this article and please stop referring to me as a man ,i can't express enough. If my contribution is wrong correct it rather than remove the estimates. Please check Southampton article as the metropolitan area is over six times the borough population and is still given good article status. 00:00, 08 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.56.162 ( talk)
We are two different contributors on the same IP address. Please will you reevaluate adding this information or similar statistics to the Bournemouth article. To correct you Britmax as it clearly states on my contribution these are the metro and urban areas surrounding the work to travel area of town. 02:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.56.162 ( talk)
I will start using official information instead of this unreliable information still available on Wikipedia regarding Bournemouth population centers. Does anyone have links to official stats. ( talk) 13:56, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
466,626 is the 2011 estimate given by ONS for "Bournemouth Urban area". ( talk) 14:12, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
""Please"" can you stop editing 'Bournemouth' article, by removing the urban population of Bournemouth, this statistic is essential in this article and you keep removing without a valid explanation. The urban population is 466,626 and this 'statistic' is featured in many other articles. We both know that the population of the region is much larger than what your trying to make it out to be which doesn't make sense. Please check Reading, Southampton and Portsmouth as they all feature this statistic. I would like to take this further. It's better having a outdated statistic than making it out like Bournemouth doesn't have anyone living outside of it and that's why this is included in many other towns info boxes. ( talk) 01:17, 26 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.114.212 ( talk)
After making a fool of myself with my earlier edits of the cite for the length of the Jurassic Coast, I hope I can regain some of my dignity by trying to explain where I was coming from.
I had visited the http://jurassiccoast.org website earlier, and (still) believe it to be the website of the official body charged by the UK government with looking after that part of the coast. Indeed the Wikipedia Jurassic Coast article cites it as the "Jurassic Coast official website". Granted the pdf file that was originally cited in this article is a tourist leaflet, but the website itself is perfectly legitimate and authoritative when it comes to the information it disseminates.
For those reasons I believe the official website is better than a mere "tourist brochure" and can legitimately be used (indeed certainly should be used) to support facts about the Jurassic Coast. So I would like to suggest replacing the current cite from the UNESCO website (or at least supplementing it) with a page from the jurassiccoast.org website. LL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lowland Laddie ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Nearly every UK site mentioning the length gives it as 95 miles. On google.co.uk, 3200 give 95 miles without mentioning km, 21 give 155 km without mentioning miles and 23 give both. The consensus is definitely 95 miles, so let's go with that.
Lowland Laddie ( talk) 21:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Ykraps is correct too. Studland and Poole Harbour lie between the end of the Jurassic coast and Bournemouth, so it seems a bit tourist brochure like to suggest Bournemouth is directly to the east.
Lowland Laddie ( talk) 21:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I'd just as soon remove the sentence altogether. It belongs in the Poole article perhaps but not really this one. What next, "Bournemouth is a little way south of Stonehenge"?-- Ykraps ( talk) 06:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks to ArbieP for taking an interest in the article and for what must've been a substantial amount of work but I have a few issues:
This is currently a WP:Good Article but a lack of references coupled with the bullet points could easily see it downgraded. Comments anyone?-- Ykraps ( talk) 12:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you for the constructive way you have voiced your issues about the new notable people section for Bournemouth to which I have contributed. I spot three main issues:
And, to be candid, an issue of my own – I was a bit concerned about how long the list turned out to be, and if any undue length might weigh down on the rest of the article. I hope it doesn’t and that the subdivision into (currently) ten slots helps sustain its readability.
I too look forward to comments from other readers.
ArbieP ( talk) 14:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
As an outsider just passing through, may I say that I think this list is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long! I doubt that anyone wanting to know about Bournemouth would take the time to read through the entirety of this. Surely, "notable" means widely known for having achieved something in an important field, not just anyone in any field who has some connection; e.g. "Page 3 girl and glamour model" - really? It seems to me that, for most of the names in this list, Bournemouth may be notable for them, but they are not notable for Bournemouth.
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Thankyou for those interesting comments. Separately I've just become aware of
WP:LISTBIO which, I think, covers the issue of a list rather than a narrative. I see the point about providing a reference in the list to each person's connection with Bournemouth, but what happens then is that adding that (for example) they were born in Bournemouth becomes a bit repetitious and wastes space. Blurryman makes a good point, the list is very long. It might shrink to a third of the size by deleting people whose notability is, let's say, a bit thin, but that's still quite a long list; and notability is usually often summarised as having an entry in Wikipedia. Not quite sure where this leaves us, but I look forward to more views.
ArbieP ( talk) 10:31, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Ykraps.
I am keen for my work (1) not to be lost or (2) cause difficulty for the remainder of the article retaining its status as a Good Article. Perhaps a solution lies in the way schools have been handled - some narrative on the main page and a linked list viz List of schools in Bournemouth. I don't know how to create a new linked page like this, but if it were to be done, the main page could perhaps then feature some narrative about the proliferation of actors, authors and musicians, which I'd be happy to do. Comments?
ArbieP ( talk) 18:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Ykraps
Thankyou for your help and guidance. I've begun drafting some narrative for the main article (as well referenced as I can make it) and will post it in a few days time; I'll transform the current list into a new linked page.
ArbieP ( talk) 09:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Done
ArbieP ( talk) 21:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Ykraps
Please feel free to update, amend, correct or otherwise improve the notables section. In particular with your local knowledge you are likely to be better placed than me to know what properly counts as Bournemouth and what does not.
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We have an editor insisting that the quantity 10^9 be rendered as 1000 million instead of simply 1 billion, arguing that billion is ambiguous, and reverted attempts by several editors over many years to change this. Billion indeed has an obsolete meaning of "a million millions" but that meaning has been almost entirely unknown in careful writing for decades, and MOS:NUMERAL states that on enwp billion unambiguously means "a thousand millions". Billion is therefore not ambiguous for our purposes, and there is no reason to use the awkward 1000 million.
Our article
World population does things appropriately. It names millions as millions and billions as billions, though at one point saying More refined estimates were 600 to 1000 million in the early 1800s and 800 to 1000 million in the 1840s
, which is a perfectly appropriate exception, just as in a table column headed Revenue (millions) you might see, for example, values of 340, 670, 980, and 1200 – the last representing 1.2 billion.
Thoughts, please. Paging SMcCandlish, who has a billion (short-scale billion) style guides on his shelf. E Eng 21:50, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Well that sounds like original research to me. These five books [ [20]] [ [21]] [ [22]] [ [23]] [ [24]] all specifically use 1,000 million and were published between 2003 and 2011. This article is written in British English and in British English, a billion is still an ambiguous term. I see no good reason to change things here other than to be deliberately antagonistic. -- Ykraps ( talk) 06:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
in British English a billion used to be a million million (1,000,000,000,000) but is now aligned with the American billion (1,000,000,000). Period, full stop, no equivocating. Oxford's guide [28] merely says
When discussing large numbers in text, it is fine to use k/m/bn as shorter ways of spelling out 1,000/1,000,000/1,000,000,000 (or writing out ‘one thousand’/‘one million’/‘one billion’), as long as you are consistent throughout the document– no mention of the long-short issue at all, just like we don't provide horse-and-buggy parking at places of public accommodation and there's no smoking on planes. The 21st century is here now, even in Britain.
I am not a Wikipedia expert, however within the population column, I am trying to be in-depth and include the 'Town' population and 'Local Authority' population like these Reading, Berkshire, Brighton or Woking. I have tried and failed to find ONS statistics so if anyone finds time to edit and add this, would be appreciated. Especially after the recent council merger. Many Thanks - arofun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.228.187 ( talk) 02:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Some of the photos should be updated, namely the one in the infobox that shows the now demolished Waterfront building and the one of the exterior of Pier Theatre, which has since been converted into an indoor rock climbing centre. SonnikuSan ( talk) 13:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)