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Inclusion of images of what is along Boulevard East, including the skyline view provided fromm most of its eastern side is not inappropriate especially since it it one one its distinguishing features. Most articles about streets (ie Riverside Drive (Manhattan) and Wall Street) include points of interest along the street. The skyline is cetainly of interest and is "along the street" in this case. This article is not so dense that the inclusion of images distract in anyway, but to the contrary, add to it Djflem ( talk) 14:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
You again argue for the photo's mere inclusion, which I never disputed. I do not question whether it belongs in the article, I question whether it should be the primary one. Like it or not, the article is about the street, regardless of whether you like asphalt, trees and cars. Of course you're going to show asphalt, trees and cars. That's the street! Lots of other articles, like the Jersey City article, have shots of the NY skyline, but not as the primary photo. Moreover, the fact that it includes the skyline in the background indeed says more than it's just a street; it just gives proper weight to it. The primary photo should focus on the article's subject. The article's subject is not the skyline. It's also not justified to move the Infobox further down in the article. Are you going to be doing that with all the road articles? It's also not appropriate to continue reverting the article during a discussion. Nightscream ( talk) 04:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
That said, I do belive that Nightscream has better shots that are usable for the time being that give a feel for the Boulevard. At some point a good pan of the skyline, the view from the Boulevard that makes the street notable, even famous, can come at a later date. To be redundant it is along the street, just as any park, building, school, or church might be. At this stage of the game the info box (which at one point Nightscream wanterd to trash altogether) deals with vehicular traffic info and is apppropriate to the transportation section of article. A shot of Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, New Jersey (Weehawken), the oldest extant building on the Boulevard, should be included. I will try to track down the Edward Hopper painting. Djflem ( talk) 07:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't really know any of the editors in this discussion; Nightscream asked me (seemingly at random, perhaps because my user page indicates an interest in NJ topics) to take a look at this debate and chime in. So I shall. It seems pretty obvious to me that the primary picture for an article about a street should be of said street and not of something visible from that street (in this case, midtown Manhattan). The view is an important factor of the street's character, sure, and I think a photo of that view should be included somewhere in the body, but unless the article is called "Midtown Manhattan," it's silly for that photo to be front and center. That the photo or photos which might replace it are not as eye-catching shouldn't be a large concern. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not a travel guide or to engage in web page design. Function over form, folks! I hope this helps. Apologies if it doesn't. Dppowell ( talk) 12:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I hope then we can move on and am curious to see what text will come of the research. Djflem ( talk) 21:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
PS. Do you think we should go and make a stink about the Brooklyn Heights, Brooklyn article? Djflem ( talk) 23:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Nightscream asked me to comment. I agree with Jimhendersen, Dppowell and Djflem that the pic with the wall and the view seems to be the one that should be most prominent for now. Since the view is a prominent feature of the road, it's certainly worth having that fine skyline picture (the one without the road in it) of it in the article (in a gallery section if nothing else). I'd accept having the infobox up at the top if that idea comes closer to consensus, but I think a good case has been made to have it lower down in the article (I think infoboxes that don't already have pics in them [other than signs] are at the tops of articles because we generally have nothing better to put there -- a picture specific to the subject seems more justified.) Hope this helps. -- JohnWBarber ( talk) 02:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The current shot is indeed a great improvement, the accent the trap rock while at the same time catching the expansive of the point view does capture the some important elements of the street. The article cound be expanded by inclusion of the landmarks along it, and would give a better idea about the architectural mix and its appeal as one of HC's premiere rediential districts. But for the time being the aricle is OK. Highway or street? Currently Blvd East is USA streets project (as opposed to highways project) article and that seems to be the better of the two since it doesn't carry one road number and wasn't developed as such. Djflem ( talk) 12:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
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Boulevard East | ||||
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Length | 1.12 mi [1] (1.80 km) | |||
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Boulevard is known first and foremost for being a scenic road! It was developed as a thoroughfare at the turn the of the century. Prior to that much of the land was privately owned and was part of estates and farms, notably that of James Gore King, the Brown Family (for whom Brown Street in Union City is named), the Gutenbergs, and the Bull Family who maintained Bulls Ferry landing. Part of the short-lived El Dorado pleasure garden later became became Hamilton Park. A concerted effort by the Womans Clubs of North Jersey and Mr. Donnelly, were able to halt the blasting and quarrying sof the Palisades for stone being used for constuction. Many of the walls which line the boulevard and the foundations of many homes along it come from those quarries. Real estate developers subdivided many of the streets west of Bull's Ferry Road, today's Park Avenue, and marketed them in the New York and local papers as prime residential districts, where indiviudal owners could build there own homes. This coincided with the population boom and urbanization of Hudson County at thhe time. The decision to connect the road to its western counterpart may have been an afterthought. During the whiteflight and near bankruptcy of New York in the 1960s and 1970s many of the first highrises along the Palisades in North Hudson and south of the GWB Bridge went up, the Galaxy Towers (one of the largest), and The Stonehenge included.
Finding references for this is not undoable, but lot's of work Djflem ( talk) 07:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
The article about the Hudson Palisades does cover some of the story, but not specific to the Boulevard. The Grauert Causeway, (stairway named for 1930's Weehawken mayor) could also be included here, too. Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, New Jersey (Weehawken) complex incorporates the last of the 19th estates and and is built form the stone quarried along the cliff. There's a nice Edward Hopper painting as well as Fiordalisi images. Itwould be easy to do a Weehawken version, but the WNY stuff is hard to come by. Woodcliff less so. Djflem ( talk) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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The coordinates need the following fixes: As a roadway there is not one point that would be exact, but the point on current map could be located to the south to 60th Street, its appoximate middlepoint and would encompass most of it.
Djflem ( talk) 09:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Have beefed-up article to give people something to go on. What I think is important to rememeber is that anyone who has been to the Boulevard might take certain things for granted. But we are not preaching to the converted here rather are writing an article for an encyclopedia for people for those who may never see the place. Djflem ( talk) 17:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I did a rough estimate of length and inlcuded in tranportation section. Is there a way to get a more defintive reading to be included in lede? Djflem ( talk) 07:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The proper name is of course capitalized, but when called the The boulevard, as it often is local nomenclature is there preferred spelling? Am inclined to go with small letters, and will do a check for consistency. Any opinions? Djflem ( talk) 09:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2022/S0500/191_I1.PDF Djflem ( talk) 22:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Inclusion of images of what is along Boulevard East, including the skyline view provided fromm most of its eastern side is not inappropriate especially since it it one one its distinguishing features. Most articles about streets (ie Riverside Drive (Manhattan) and Wall Street) include points of interest along the street. The skyline is cetainly of interest and is "along the street" in this case. This article is not so dense that the inclusion of images distract in anyway, but to the contrary, add to it Djflem ( talk) 14:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
You again argue for the photo's mere inclusion, which I never disputed. I do not question whether it belongs in the article, I question whether it should be the primary one. Like it or not, the article is about the street, regardless of whether you like asphalt, trees and cars. Of course you're going to show asphalt, trees and cars. That's the street! Lots of other articles, like the Jersey City article, have shots of the NY skyline, but not as the primary photo. Moreover, the fact that it includes the skyline in the background indeed says more than it's just a street; it just gives proper weight to it. The primary photo should focus on the article's subject. The article's subject is not the skyline. It's also not justified to move the Infobox further down in the article. Are you going to be doing that with all the road articles? It's also not appropriate to continue reverting the article during a discussion. Nightscream ( talk) 04:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
That said, I do belive that Nightscream has better shots that are usable for the time being that give a feel for the Boulevard. At some point a good pan of the skyline, the view from the Boulevard that makes the street notable, even famous, can come at a later date. To be redundant it is along the street, just as any park, building, school, or church might be. At this stage of the game the info box (which at one point Nightscream wanterd to trash altogether) deals with vehicular traffic info and is apppropriate to the transportation section of article. A shot of Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, New Jersey (Weehawken), the oldest extant building on the Boulevard, should be included. I will try to track down the Edward Hopper painting. Djflem ( talk) 07:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't really know any of the editors in this discussion; Nightscream asked me (seemingly at random, perhaps because my user page indicates an interest in NJ topics) to take a look at this debate and chime in. So I shall. It seems pretty obvious to me that the primary picture for an article about a street should be of said street and not of something visible from that street (in this case, midtown Manhattan). The view is an important factor of the street's character, sure, and I think a photo of that view should be included somewhere in the body, but unless the article is called "Midtown Manhattan," it's silly for that photo to be front and center. That the photo or photos which might replace it are not as eye-catching shouldn't be a large concern. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not a travel guide or to engage in web page design. Function over form, folks! I hope this helps. Apologies if it doesn't. Dppowell ( talk) 12:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I hope then we can move on and am curious to see what text will come of the research. Djflem ( talk) 21:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
PS. Do you think we should go and make a stink about the Brooklyn Heights, Brooklyn article? Djflem ( talk) 23:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Nightscream asked me to comment. I agree with Jimhendersen, Dppowell and Djflem that the pic with the wall and the view seems to be the one that should be most prominent for now. Since the view is a prominent feature of the road, it's certainly worth having that fine skyline picture (the one without the road in it) of it in the article (in a gallery section if nothing else). I'd accept having the infobox up at the top if that idea comes closer to consensus, but I think a good case has been made to have it lower down in the article (I think infoboxes that don't already have pics in them [other than signs] are at the tops of articles because we generally have nothing better to put there -- a picture specific to the subject seems more justified.) Hope this helps. -- JohnWBarber ( talk) 02:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The current shot is indeed a great improvement, the accent the trap rock while at the same time catching the expansive of the point view does capture the some important elements of the street. The article cound be expanded by inclusion of the landmarks along it, and would give a better idea about the architectural mix and its appeal as one of HC's premiere rediential districts. But for the time being the aricle is OK. Highway or street? Currently Blvd East is USA streets project (as opposed to highways project) article and that seems to be the better of the two since it doesn't carry one road number and wasn't developed as such. Djflem ( talk) 12:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Park Avenue Boulevard East | ||||
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Length | 2.54 mi [1] (4.09 km) | |||
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South end |
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Country | United States | |||
State | New Jersey | |||
County | Hudson | |||
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Length | 20.64 mi [2] (33.22 km) | |||
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Boulevard East | ||||
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Length | 1.12 mi [1] (1.80 km) | |||
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Country | United States | |||
State | New Jersey | |||
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Boulevard is known first and foremost for being a scenic road! It was developed as a thoroughfare at the turn the of the century. Prior to that much of the land was privately owned and was part of estates and farms, notably that of James Gore King, the Brown Family (for whom Brown Street in Union City is named), the Gutenbergs, and the Bull Family who maintained Bulls Ferry landing. Part of the short-lived El Dorado pleasure garden later became became Hamilton Park. A concerted effort by the Womans Clubs of North Jersey and Mr. Donnelly, were able to halt the blasting and quarrying sof the Palisades for stone being used for constuction. Many of the walls which line the boulevard and the foundations of many homes along it come from those quarries. Real estate developers subdivided many of the streets west of Bull's Ferry Road, today's Park Avenue, and marketed them in the New York and local papers as prime residential districts, where indiviudal owners could build there own homes. This coincided with the population boom and urbanization of Hudson County at thhe time. The decision to connect the road to its western counterpart may have been an afterthought. During the whiteflight and near bankruptcy of New York in the 1960s and 1970s many of the first highrises along the Palisades in North Hudson and south of the GWB Bridge went up, the Galaxy Towers (one of the largest), and The Stonehenge included.
Finding references for this is not undoable, but lot's of work Djflem ( talk) 07:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
The article about the Hudson Palisades does cover some of the story, but not specific to the Boulevard. The Grauert Causeway, (stairway named for 1930's Weehawken mayor) could also be included here, too. Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, New Jersey (Weehawken) complex incorporates the last of the 19th estates and and is built form the stone quarried along the cliff. There's a nice Edward Hopper painting as well as Fiordalisi images. Itwould be easy to do a Weehawken version, but the WNY stuff is hard to come by. Woodcliff less so. Djflem ( talk) 07:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
{{geodata-check}}
The coordinates need the following fixes: As a roadway there is not one point that would be exact, but the point on current map could be located to the south to 60th Street, its appoximate middlepoint and would encompass most of it.
Djflem ( talk) 09:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Have beefed-up article to give people something to go on. What I think is important to rememeber is that anyone who has been to the Boulevard might take certain things for granted. But we are not preaching to the converted here rather are writing an article for an encyclopedia for people for those who may never see the place. Djflem ( talk) 17:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I did a rough estimate of length and inlcuded in tranportation section. Is there a way to get a more defintive reading to be included in lede? Djflem ( talk) 07:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The proper name is of course capitalized, but when called the The boulevard, as it often is local nomenclature is there preferred spelling? Am inclined to go with small letters, and will do a check for consistency. Any opinions? Djflem ( talk) 09:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2022/S0500/191_I1.PDF Djflem ( talk) 22:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)