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It seems rather harsh to say that calling this species "fer-de-lance" is mistaken, especially since the name has been used for centuries and is in up-to-date dictionaries. Is there some authority for the common names of snakes? Even if there is, I'd say it's more NPOV to say that it's "popularly" called the fer-de-lance. — JerryFriedman 20:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes you will find dictionaries describing a fer-de-lance as Bothrops atrox. You will find several snake books describing the fer-de-lance as Bothrops asper. The truth is fer-de-lance is a "French" name not used by locals for the identification of either snake. In English however, it IS common to refer to a certian South American pit viper as a fer-de-lance. The question is,which one? Now if you wish to refer to all Bothrops sp. as fer-de-lance, be my guest but it gets a little confusing don't you think? I don't wish to sound harsh but numerous herpetologist as well as several well informed hobbiest will tell you that the only real fer-de-lance is Bothrops lanceolatus. Incidentally ALL Borthrops species are commonly refered to as lanceheads due to the apparent lance (or spear) shape of the head. As a matter of fact, thats what "fer-de-lance" means "iron of lance" (or something to that effect).As for an authority on common names... you can try venomousreptiles.org. I know they've had this topic in the past. As for ld-50, BGF's website venomdoc.com is a great sorce but pay particular attention to the subcutanious routes of injection since almost all bites are of that variaty.
Fair enough, but when someone refers to a lancehead, it's just that A lancehead; usually not species specific often refuring to any member of the genus Bothrops. Not dissimilar to the word Todg 22:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC) "rattlesnake" also used to describe a variety of crotalids with a similar appendage. However, when the phrase Fer-de-lance is used, often times it is preceeded by the word "the" implying that it is "the one and only" hence confusion as to which snake that term rightfully belongs. Also, there are other sources besides kingsnake.com. try venomousreptiles.org or venomdoc.com Todg 22:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Now I am not a snake person, I've just spent much time living in mortal fear of both Bothropos at various times (I am an archaeologist). I noticed that the Bothrops asper article, however, does not mention that it too is called "Barba" locally...well at least in guatemala it is. I suppose that is short for Barba Amarilla but I've never heard anyone say more than Barba. Would anyone like to back me up and add it?
Hi. I was glad to see the pronunciation of "mapepire balsain" at Bothrops atrox, especially since I would never have guessed it. Would you mind adding which syllables are accented? You could capitalize them or say something like "with the accent on the last syllable in both words" (if that happens to be right). I'm lost at pronouncing the name without that. — JerryFriedman 00:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jerry. I was very pleased to get your note. I wasn't sure whether the Trinidadian names of snakes would be of any interest to readers - so it is good to hear from you. I have updated the articles on both the Fer de lance or Bothrops atrox and on the South American bushmaster Lachesis muta. I have added the stressed syllables in capitals as you suggested and provided an extra local name for the South American bushmaster (mapapire grande). I used to have to handle (and sometimes find and catch) both these species and remove and preserve parasites found on them when I worked for the Trinidad Regional Virus Laboratory in the 1950s - so I am well aware of the common names for them. Mendes, John. 1986. Cote ce Cote la: Trinidad & Tobago Dictionary, Arima, Trinidad, p. 95, gives some pronunciations but no indication of stress. I will also paste this dialog on both articles' Discussion Pages in case anyone wonders why I have bothered with such details or wonders how I am so sure of the local names and pronunciations. I hope you don't mind. Cheers, John Hill 03:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it strange that although the names lancehead and/or fer-de-lance refer to the shape of the snake's head, there is no mention about this in the description? I have read articles mentioning the arrow-head or lance-blade shape of the snake's head and wonder if the feature is distinctive enough to be used for identification.
Mirrordor 23:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrordor ( talk • contribs)
124 milligrams (1.91 gr) ???? if anything other than gram is meant by 'gr', e.g. 'grain' that should be clarified
-- Yeah what the hell is a "gr"? Texting taught them to be too lazy to type the whole word. Theaveng ( talk) 13:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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It seems rather harsh to say that calling this species "fer-de-lance" is mistaken, especially since the name has been used for centuries and is in up-to-date dictionaries. Is there some authority for the common names of snakes? Even if there is, I'd say it's more NPOV to say that it's "popularly" called the fer-de-lance. — JerryFriedman 20:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes you will find dictionaries describing a fer-de-lance as Bothrops atrox. You will find several snake books describing the fer-de-lance as Bothrops asper. The truth is fer-de-lance is a "French" name not used by locals for the identification of either snake. In English however, it IS common to refer to a certian South American pit viper as a fer-de-lance. The question is,which one? Now if you wish to refer to all Bothrops sp. as fer-de-lance, be my guest but it gets a little confusing don't you think? I don't wish to sound harsh but numerous herpetologist as well as several well informed hobbiest will tell you that the only real fer-de-lance is Bothrops lanceolatus. Incidentally ALL Borthrops species are commonly refered to as lanceheads due to the apparent lance (or spear) shape of the head. As a matter of fact, thats what "fer-de-lance" means "iron of lance" (or something to that effect).As for an authority on common names... you can try venomousreptiles.org. I know they've had this topic in the past. As for ld-50, BGF's website venomdoc.com is a great sorce but pay particular attention to the subcutanious routes of injection since almost all bites are of that variaty.
Fair enough, but when someone refers to a lancehead, it's just that A lancehead; usually not species specific often refuring to any member of the genus Bothrops. Not dissimilar to the word Todg 22:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC) "rattlesnake" also used to describe a variety of crotalids with a similar appendage. However, when the phrase Fer-de-lance is used, often times it is preceeded by the word "the" implying that it is "the one and only" hence confusion as to which snake that term rightfully belongs. Also, there are other sources besides kingsnake.com. try venomousreptiles.org or venomdoc.com Todg 22:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Now I am not a snake person, I've just spent much time living in mortal fear of both Bothropos at various times (I am an archaeologist). I noticed that the Bothrops asper article, however, does not mention that it too is called "Barba" locally...well at least in guatemala it is. I suppose that is short for Barba Amarilla but I've never heard anyone say more than Barba. Would anyone like to back me up and add it?
Hi. I was glad to see the pronunciation of "mapepire balsain" at Bothrops atrox, especially since I would never have guessed it. Would you mind adding which syllables are accented? You could capitalize them or say something like "with the accent on the last syllable in both words" (if that happens to be right). I'm lost at pronouncing the name without that. — JerryFriedman 00:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jerry. I was very pleased to get your note. I wasn't sure whether the Trinidadian names of snakes would be of any interest to readers - so it is good to hear from you. I have updated the articles on both the Fer de lance or Bothrops atrox and on the South American bushmaster Lachesis muta. I have added the stressed syllables in capitals as you suggested and provided an extra local name for the South American bushmaster (mapapire grande). I used to have to handle (and sometimes find and catch) both these species and remove and preserve parasites found on them when I worked for the Trinidad Regional Virus Laboratory in the 1950s - so I am well aware of the common names for them. Mendes, John. 1986. Cote ce Cote la: Trinidad & Tobago Dictionary, Arima, Trinidad, p. 95, gives some pronunciations but no indication of stress. I will also paste this dialog on both articles' Discussion Pages in case anyone wonders why I have bothered with such details or wonders how I am so sure of the local names and pronunciations. I hope you don't mind. Cheers, John Hill 03:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it strange that although the names lancehead and/or fer-de-lance refer to the shape of the snake's head, there is no mention about this in the description? I have read articles mentioning the arrow-head or lance-blade shape of the snake's head and wonder if the feature is distinctive enough to be used for identification.
Mirrordor 23:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrordor ( talk • contribs)
124 milligrams (1.91 gr) ???? if anything other than gram is meant by 'gr', e.g. 'grain' that should be clarified
-- Yeah what the hell is a "gr"? Texting taught them to be too lazy to type the whole word. Theaveng ( talk) 13:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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