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Vote: Definitely merge these two. -- Gopple 04:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The ip (136.167.97.39) has been doing quite a bit of editing. This IP resolves to "rafsmac.bc.edu". I've noticed some incorrect data on the page. Think, perhaps, our rival BC is messing with our image? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.34.22.168 ( talk) 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Just becuase someone goes to BC, doesn't mean they are intentionally putting up incorrect information about BU. However, we can all keep track of the information being posted about the school. 05:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC).
The end of the history section says "The law school is in need of a new new building, as the law library is not large enough to house the law students. . ."
This seems to me to be a non-sequitur as the space available to the Law Library could be increased by several means other than building a new building for the Law School.
Since I've no direct experience of the Law School, I'll wait for comments for a day or so before I change this section to indicate merely that the Law Library maintains an Annex for most of its circulating materials in the basement of Mugar Library, the main University Library.
Pzavon 02:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
We do need a new building. The admin has been talking for years about it and supposedly their might be plans on the table soon. I think the statement is adequate.
I do not. Needing an entire new building has nothing in particular to do with the size of the library. If LAW needs a new building and the administration has talked about that, then reference an administration statement on the subject. As it is, you have a statement of opinion without a source, and a claimed reason that lacks logical connection. Pzavon 02:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's your sign: http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2004/03/02/silence_speaks_to_bus_lack_of_accountability/ HTH.
That article is mostly about fund raising accountability. It does explain that a new building is needed for the Law School, but does not even hint that the need follows from a lack of space for the library. I'm making the change I mentioned above. Pzavon 01:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I actually think the need for a new building should go in the article. Pzavon, the reason the library is a problem is that many law students do most of their studying in the library. The library is connected to the building, which is 18 (?) stories tall. Due to the unfortunte crowding of that area of BU, there really is no way to expand the library. While the library issue is serious, the bigger problem is that the building is hideous, cramped, and really not suitable. (I realize that many schools would like new buildings--but at BU Law, as we're now branded, it's a source of identity.)-- Dan (who will probably register before long so he's not just an IP address). 71.232.158.231 00:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Personal opinions should not be included on wiki articles. Try to keep personal opinions to a minimum. Thanks. (Cis-12)(June 27, 2006)
I would say if you want to put prestige as a factor, there is a law school ranking released that ranks school's prestige. This reputational ranking should be used when indicating reputation and prestige, as it is the only form of such a ranking. If you want to just note the USNWR ranking, that seems more objective. (cornelljd)(June 28, 2006)
Will you folks PLEASE agree on whether the Law School is #24 or #24 in the US News and World Report listng? It feels like this minor matter has been edited back and forth for several months. Pzavon 16:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It looks like some jealous BC Law School students have been trying to sabotage this wiki article. For starters, Boston University Law School is ranked 22nd on US News Report, NOT 24. Second, some BC Law School students are clearly trying to make THEIR school appear to be superior to Boston University Law School when it's just the opposite (e.g., the "Brody" prestige rankings have been presented to make it as those BC is much more prestigious to BU Law School). If you go to the BC Law School wiki page, it's also evident that those SAME BC posters have been trying to make it as though BC Law School is only "marginally" less prestigious than Harvard and Yale.
Well, I dont think that our school is anymore prestigous than BC. However, I think that these pages should be as neutral as possible.
BC certainly isn't any better than BU and is arguably worst than BU. However, in terms of prestige, both BC and BU are about equal and both are obviously behind Harvard and Yale. However, I absolutely refuse to believe that BC Law School gets more respect than BU's.
I've ran the IP checks on some of the editors, and there were a couple whose IP addresses were traced back to Boston College directly.
Not sure what to make of it. The two pages have the exact same facts in regard to their school's rankings. However, whoever is continuously changing the 22 to 24 on this page should be blocked. User: Terrier08 11:15, 7 August 2006
Trying to keep the BUSL page consistent by making sure no one changes the US News Rankings from 22nd and the Brody Associates from 29. Even I wouldnt list the pecialty rankings, as it well known that these are made to provided more substance for teh magazine and do not accurately indicate what schools are better than others in special programs. (Are we better than Harvard at Tax work? Probably not.) User: Terrier08 11:15, 28 August 2006
I think that the assorted rankings should be reinstated on the page as they are important to prospective students as well as current students. As for the specialty rankings from US News, I don't know that they were included to make it seem as though BU Law is "better than Harvard", but specialty rankings are also important to prospective students and are citeable, not a matter of POV. If other school pages choose to omit them, that's fine - and up to them. User: CraniumBoy 14:46, 29 August 2006
Rankings--even by the most widely accepted sources--are inherently subjective. Listing the rankings from each source (for specialties, too) is acceptable so long as the reader can then go to the ranking site and look at the criteria/methodology. Thus, using the word "prestigious" when listing or explaining school ranking is not only unnecessary but the meaning of the word in this context could easily be misconstrued. If the word must be used, it should be used in quotes as it is used on the Brody web site.
Brody is run entirely by Harvard Law graduates. I question whether their rankings of something as nebulous as "prestige" can be used to rank schoools. Here is an excerpt from the Brody web site: These “prestige rankings” were compiled by Brody counselors based upon their experiences at schools and counseling applicants, spending time at law firms, and reviewing a number of primary and secondary sources. The purpose of the rankings is not to indicate which law school is best for you, or even which one would provide you with the best education, but rather to convey to you our feel about which law schools are the most prestigious: i.e. which schools garner the most respect, in a general sense, from employers, lawyers, and the American public.
We realize the myriad flaws inherent in any such ranking system, but we believe that too often applicants operate in a vacuum concerning the relative reputations of schools. This vacuum is inevitably filled by local prejudices, broad ranking systems with more serious flaws, and other minor circumstances. With our rankings in hand, we hope applicants can go to schools knowing generally how they stack up against each other in terms of prestige. Other factors such as weather, specific programs, “vibe”, resources, etc. they can (and should) discover for themselves or with personalized guidance.
Law schools that did not make our list inevitably defy the type of nationwide analysis done here, and should be judged by local standards and specific major/program details.
And finally, while we add the caveat that any set of rankings such as this must necessarily be quite subjective, in our opinion the demands of a law school applicant should align closely—perhaps more so than with any other type of graduate school—with the prestige of the schools being considered.
The section on notable alumni is too long and full of too many distracting blue and red links. How about making a separate article for notable alumni and give a link that forwards to that new article? Below that link could be a reduced list of notable alumni consisting of "firsts" and those of national importance as opposed to regional or state importance. It might open an argument over who to keep on the short list, but a link to the article with the full list would mitigate such strife. EECavazos 02:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved the rankings mention from the opening paragraph to the rankings section for two reasons. First, BU Law is good enough not to need mentioning the rankings in the first place. Second, the rankings section already exists and so the rankings should go there rather than in the introduction. Otherwise we'll either have a redundancy or we'll have an empty or non-existent rankings section. EECavazos 02:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
In order to make the article classy we should expand on some sections while keeping others somewhat muted.
EECavazos 23:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
First things first, all the more so since the article is an encyclopedic entry for a major law school: The tone is largely promotional, and large pieces of this have been copied from the school's website. Looks like these issues go back a long way, but a major copy edit is in order to avert legal concerns, then to make this neutral in tone. 99.12.243.171 ( talk) 20:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Vote: Definitely merge these two. -- Gopple 04:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The ip (136.167.97.39) has been doing quite a bit of editing. This IP resolves to "rafsmac.bc.edu". I've noticed some incorrect data on the page. Think, perhaps, our rival BC is messing with our image? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.34.22.168 ( talk) 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Just becuase someone goes to BC, doesn't mean they are intentionally putting up incorrect information about BU. However, we can all keep track of the information being posted about the school. 05:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC).
The end of the history section says "The law school is in need of a new new building, as the law library is not large enough to house the law students. . ."
This seems to me to be a non-sequitur as the space available to the Law Library could be increased by several means other than building a new building for the Law School.
Since I've no direct experience of the Law School, I'll wait for comments for a day or so before I change this section to indicate merely that the Law Library maintains an Annex for most of its circulating materials in the basement of Mugar Library, the main University Library.
Pzavon 02:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
We do need a new building. The admin has been talking for years about it and supposedly their might be plans on the table soon. I think the statement is adequate.
I do not. Needing an entire new building has nothing in particular to do with the size of the library. If LAW needs a new building and the administration has talked about that, then reference an administration statement on the subject. As it is, you have a statement of opinion without a source, and a claimed reason that lacks logical connection. Pzavon 02:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's your sign: http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2004/03/02/silence_speaks_to_bus_lack_of_accountability/ HTH.
That article is mostly about fund raising accountability. It does explain that a new building is needed for the Law School, but does not even hint that the need follows from a lack of space for the library. I'm making the change I mentioned above. Pzavon 01:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I actually think the need for a new building should go in the article. Pzavon, the reason the library is a problem is that many law students do most of their studying in the library. The library is connected to the building, which is 18 (?) stories tall. Due to the unfortunte crowding of that area of BU, there really is no way to expand the library. While the library issue is serious, the bigger problem is that the building is hideous, cramped, and really not suitable. (I realize that many schools would like new buildings--but at BU Law, as we're now branded, it's a source of identity.)-- Dan (who will probably register before long so he's not just an IP address). 71.232.158.231 00:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Personal opinions should not be included on wiki articles. Try to keep personal opinions to a minimum. Thanks. (Cis-12)(June 27, 2006)
I would say if you want to put prestige as a factor, there is a law school ranking released that ranks school's prestige. This reputational ranking should be used when indicating reputation and prestige, as it is the only form of such a ranking. If you want to just note the USNWR ranking, that seems more objective. (cornelljd)(June 28, 2006)
Will you folks PLEASE agree on whether the Law School is #24 or #24 in the US News and World Report listng? It feels like this minor matter has been edited back and forth for several months. Pzavon 16:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It looks like some jealous BC Law School students have been trying to sabotage this wiki article. For starters, Boston University Law School is ranked 22nd on US News Report, NOT 24. Second, some BC Law School students are clearly trying to make THEIR school appear to be superior to Boston University Law School when it's just the opposite (e.g., the "Brody" prestige rankings have been presented to make it as those BC is much more prestigious to BU Law School). If you go to the BC Law School wiki page, it's also evident that those SAME BC posters have been trying to make it as though BC Law School is only "marginally" less prestigious than Harvard and Yale.
Well, I dont think that our school is anymore prestigous than BC. However, I think that these pages should be as neutral as possible.
BC certainly isn't any better than BU and is arguably worst than BU. However, in terms of prestige, both BC and BU are about equal and both are obviously behind Harvard and Yale. However, I absolutely refuse to believe that BC Law School gets more respect than BU's.
I've ran the IP checks on some of the editors, and there were a couple whose IP addresses were traced back to Boston College directly.
Not sure what to make of it. The two pages have the exact same facts in regard to their school's rankings. However, whoever is continuously changing the 22 to 24 on this page should be blocked. User: Terrier08 11:15, 7 August 2006
Trying to keep the BUSL page consistent by making sure no one changes the US News Rankings from 22nd and the Brody Associates from 29. Even I wouldnt list the pecialty rankings, as it well known that these are made to provided more substance for teh magazine and do not accurately indicate what schools are better than others in special programs. (Are we better than Harvard at Tax work? Probably not.) User: Terrier08 11:15, 28 August 2006
I think that the assorted rankings should be reinstated on the page as they are important to prospective students as well as current students. As for the specialty rankings from US News, I don't know that they were included to make it seem as though BU Law is "better than Harvard", but specialty rankings are also important to prospective students and are citeable, not a matter of POV. If other school pages choose to omit them, that's fine - and up to them. User: CraniumBoy 14:46, 29 August 2006
Rankings--even by the most widely accepted sources--are inherently subjective. Listing the rankings from each source (for specialties, too) is acceptable so long as the reader can then go to the ranking site and look at the criteria/methodology. Thus, using the word "prestigious" when listing or explaining school ranking is not only unnecessary but the meaning of the word in this context could easily be misconstrued. If the word must be used, it should be used in quotes as it is used on the Brody web site.
Brody is run entirely by Harvard Law graduates. I question whether their rankings of something as nebulous as "prestige" can be used to rank schoools. Here is an excerpt from the Brody web site: These “prestige rankings” were compiled by Brody counselors based upon their experiences at schools and counseling applicants, spending time at law firms, and reviewing a number of primary and secondary sources. The purpose of the rankings is not to indicate which law school is best for you, or even which one would provide you with the best education, but rather to convey to you our feel about which law schools are the most prestigious: i.e. which schools garner the most respect, in a general sense, from employers, lawyers, and the American public.
We realize the myriad flaws inherent in any such ranking system, but we believe that too often applicants operate in a vacuum concerning the relative reputations of schools. This vacuum is inevitably filled by local prejudices, broad ranking systems with more serious flaws, and other minor circumstances. With our rankings in hand, we hope applicants can go to schools knowing generally how they stack up against each other in terms of prestige. Other factors such as weather, specific programs, “vibe”, resources, etc. they can (and should) discover for themselves or with personalized guidance.
Law schools that did not make our list inevitably defy the type of nationwide analysis done here, and should be judged by local standards and specific major/program details.
And finally, while we add the caveat that any set of rankings such as this must necessarily be quite subjective, in our opinion the demands of a law school applicant should align closely—perhaps more so than with any other type of graduate school—with the prestige of the schools being considered.
The section on notable alumni is too long and full of too many distracting blue and red links. How about making a separate article for notable alumni and give a link that forwards to that new article? Below that link could be a reduced list of notable alumni consisting of "firsts" and those of national importance as opposed to regional or state importance. It might open an argument over who to keep on the short list, but a link to the article with the full list would mitigate such strife. EECavazos 02:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved the rankings mention from the opening paragraph to the rankings section for two reasons. First, BU Law is good enough not to need mentioning the rankings in the first place. Second, the rankings section already exists and so the rankings should go there rather than in the introduction. Otherwise we'll either have a redundancy or we'll have an empty or non-existent rankings section. EECavazos 02:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
In order to make the article classy we should expand on some sections while keeping others somewhat muted.
EECavazos 23:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
First things first, all the more so since the article is an encyclopedic entry for a major law school: The tone is largely promotional, and large pieces of this have been copied from the school's website. Looks like these issues go back a long way, but a major copy edit is in order to avert legal concerns, then to make this neutral in tone. 99.12.243.171 ( talk) 20:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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