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Not sure if this is worth mentioning or not, but Peter Griffin, the fictional main character of the animated series Family Guy, often drinks a beer called "Pawtucket Patriot Ale" with a revolutionary war soldier on the can. It's clearly an obviously a homage to Samuel Adams. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.192.5 ( talk) 17:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I was bold and moved the page to Samuel Adams (beer), as the company is much better known as Samuel Adams than "Boston Beer Company".-- Cúchullain t/ c 15:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Please, people, use the history when reverting vandalism to make sure that you know what it is you're supposed to be fixing. 24.128.180.171 vandalised [[White Ale]] to [ Noble Piles]; some would-be do-gooder came along and blithely "fixed" it to [ Noble Pils]. Still not a link, still with an unnecessary leading space, still not correct. To top it off, the Boston Beer Company does not yet offer a "Noble Pils" (it won't debut until Winter 2010), and the section in question is about beers that are already available. If you aren't going to bother to verify the original pre-vandalised text, any change you make is no better than the vandalism you're failing to correct. 98.211.124.111 ( talk) 19:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Many of the beer descriptions are direct quotations off the bottles. For instance, the description of "Coastal Wheat" is found on the neck of Coastal Wheat bottles, and is a direct quotation of the cited publicity materials. Is this proper? I'm not very clear on citation guidelines, but I feel like direct quotation of a company's promotional material is not exactly what Wikipedia is about. If nothing else, it is not clearly marked as a quotation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.5.137.223 ( talk) 05:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately for the criticism section, the Lambic article itself admits that most of the yeast is located within the fermenting vessels. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE 16:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I take issue with the freeze distillation used by many of the brewers claiming "strongest beer in the world." I tracked down a reference and cleaned up the section. In principle, anybody could freeze and refreeze Bud Light until it's in excess of 27% alcohol. It's my understanding that Sam Adams actually bred yeast to withstand that higher alcohol content. Stardude82 ( talk) 20:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I have not edited this article but I think the commentary could be slightly improved in accuracy.
I do not believe that the Triple Bock was *originally* released in 1994. I had the beer in the spring of 1993 in College Station when a promotional sales person in Dudley's Draw offered them for sale in 12 oz bottles for two dollars each. The price later dropped to $1 each and a couple free by the end of the evening. The bottle was labeled as "malt liquor", oddly enough, but I had no idea of the alcohol content as I had several and woke a few hours later in my apartment with only a hazy memory of having left the bar under my own power. I never found the Triple Bock in 12 oz bottles but suspect the same or very similar beer was what I drank as what is now sold as the Triple Bock in the smaller bottles. I don't seem to recall that the beer was not carbonated but it had the feel of light carbonation. It was extremely potent, to say the least so I wasn't surprised when I saw it sold in smaller bottles as an apertif rather than as a regular beer.
The Sam Adams website confirms the 1993 brew date, as the inauguration of their extreme beer brewing.
Can anyone shed some light on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.12.205.82 ( talk) 19:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Don't they have more beers than this? I can think of a few off of the top of my head: Bonfire Ale (or something similar); Chocolate Bock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.48.159.183 ( talk) 23:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
What about Angry Orchard also? Didn't they acquire Angry Orchard in like 2012 or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.218.206.127 ( talk) 06:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Can they be considered a craft beer? this somewhat reliable source says they are the #1 craft brewer in the us.(mercurywoodrose) 99.31.165.157 ( talk) 16:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
The article contained a section called Current family of beers consisting of marketing prose lifted from Sam Adams (e.g "The dark roasty, and slightly sweet flavors of a stout are blended with the unique, spicy and sour character of our Kosmic Mother Funk (KMF), an ale that's been aged in oak tuns for up to a year") and elsewhere (e.g. "Intense and full bodied with a deep roasted flavor, subtle sweetness, and earthy smokiness from the peat smoked malt.") from a marketing document.
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I have moved all of this egregious commercial material into the green collapsible box above in case anyone who is interested can find a way of listing the products without including the brown-nosing bullshit. I am not interested in going to the trouble of re-coding the tables as text or lists. None of the material should be restored to the article unless reliable third party sources can be provided to support its inclusion in the article – the entire section was unreferenced. — O'Dea ( talk) 08:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Several Costcos in Washington have a small quantity of this brew as of December 5, 2013. This likely because of the passage of I-1183 which allows spirits -- considered drinks above 15% ABV -- to be sold in certain retail establishments in the state. Removed Washington from the list of states where this drink is banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.2.80 ( talk) 07:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Please be aware that your history of founders at Boston Beer is complete fabrication. Jim Koch started Boston Beer with his partner Rhonda Kallman ( my wife)who headed up sales and marketting until 2000 when she retired after the company went public. Both Mr Rubin and Mr. lamadrid were some of the early investors who had zero input on day to day operations or input of product names ect,that they are mentioned at all is a complete outrage. Should you like to confirm I would be happy to put you in touch with Jim Koch. Regards, Matt Shanley
I see no reason for controversy; Boston Beer Company's own website clearly states who founded the company. Early small investors are not mentioned as founders. [3]. 65.96.42.245 ( talk) 20:10, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted the edits again. The website doesn't say that Kallman was a founder. It says that in the first few years "Jim Koch and his partner, Rhonda Kallman, were the only employees." There's no mention of her as a founder. Is there an independent source that claims she is a "founder" of the company?
Prof. Mc (
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21:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Are you a friend of Mr. Rubin or his PR agent??, I see you defending him in some of your other posts. Your attempts at altering Boston Beer history by including 2 individuals who had nothing to do with running or founding the company is pathetic. Would you like to join me in a conference call with Jim Koch so HE can tell you who HIS founding partner was?? Stop spreading mis information and compromising Wikipidia. Beachisland ( talk) 11:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Though Koch himself has a prestigious background — including an MBA and a JD from Harvard and six years spent at the mega-competitive Boston Consulting Group — Boston Beer was brewed by salt of the earth. His founding partner was Rhonda Kallman, a 23-year-old secretary at BCG. "Had I picked as my partner one of those high-powered MBAs, I would never have gotten the energy, the drive, the creativity that Rhonda brought," Koch says. "She had a different experience set than I did. She knew people, she knew bars, she knew what it was like to be at the bottom of the totem pole." To this day, Koch says his first hire was his best hire.
Although the original post of this subsection made the issue "Kallman vs Rubin/Lamadrid", I don't believe this is a "either/or" issue. The involvement of these parties in the early company are two separate issues, and should each be resolved on their own merits. As suggested by ButtonwoodTree ( talk), I have broken the two issues out into separate subtopics. Guinness323 ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The issue has arisen as to whether Rhonda Kallman should be mentioned in this article. As I mentioned above, several credible secondary sources have taken the time to earmark her as central to the early successes of the company. Was she an original investor? The sources do not confirm this. Was she the first -- and for some time, the only -- employee? Yes, several of the sources note that Koch lured her from her job at BMC. A sentence indicating her central role in the early company should be added to the article, using the sources I have mentioned or any others that are germane. Guinness323 ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The article currently states that Rubin and Lamadrid helped with company management, branding decisions and product development. However, the only source used simply indicates that they were original investors. Statements about their further involvement have no references. I have not been able to find any other sources to support these statements. Unless someone else is able to provide corroborating sources, those statements about their close involvement in the early days of the company should be removed. Guinness323 ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Not sure if this is worth mentioning or not, but Peter Griffin, the fictional main character of the animated series Family Guy, often drinks a beer called "Pawtucket Patriot Ale" with a revolutionary war soldier on the can. It's clearly an obviously a homage to Samuel Adams. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.192.5 ( talk) 17:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I was bold and moved the page to Samuel Adams (beer), as the company is much better known as Samuel Adams than "Boston Beer Company".-- Cúchullain t/ c 15:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Please, people, use the history when reverting vandalism to make sure that you know what it is you're supposed to be fixing. 24.128.180.171 vandalised [[White Ale]] to [ Noble Piles]; some would-be do-gooder came along and blithely "fixed" it to [ Noble Pils]. Still not a link, still with an unnecessary leading space, still not correct. To top it off, the Boston Beer Company does not yet offer a "Noble Pils" (it won't debut until Winter 2010), and the section in question is about beers that are already available. If you aren't going to bother to verify the original pre-vandalised text, any change you make is no better than the vandalism you're failing to correct. 98.211.124.111 ( talk) 19:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Many of the beer descriptions are direct quotations off the bottles. For instance, the description of "Coastal Wheat" is found on the neck of Coastal Wheat bottles, and is a direct quotation of the cited publicity materials. Is this proper? I'm not very clear on citation guidelines, but I feel like direct quotation of a company's promotional material is not exactly what Wikipedia is about. If nothing else, it is not clearly marked as a quotation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.5.137.223 ( talk) 05:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately for the criticism section, the Lambic article itself admits that most of the yeast is located within the fermenting vessels. -- THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE 16:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I take issue with the freeze distillation used by many of the brewers claiming "strongest beer in the world." I tracked down a reference and cleaned up the section. In principle, anybody could freeze and refreeze Bud Light until it's in excess of 27% alcohol. It's my understanding that Sam Adams actually bred yeast to withstand that higher alcohol content. Stardude82 ( talk) 20:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I have not edited this article but I think the commentary could be slightly improved in accuracy.
I do not believe that the Triple Bock was *originally* released in 1994. I had the beer in the spring of 1993 in College Station when a promotional sales person in Dudley's Draw offered them for sale in 12 oz bottles for two dollars each. The price later dropped to $1 each and a couple free by the end of the evening. The bottle was labeled as "malt liquor", oddly enough, but I had no idea of the alcohol content as I had several and woke a few hours later in my apartment with only a hazy memory of having left the bar under my own power. I never found the Triple Bock in 12 oz bottles but suspect the same or very similar beer was what I drank as what is now sold as the Triple Bock in the smaller bottles. I don't seem to recall that the beer was not carbonated but it had the feel of light carbonation. It was extremely potent, to say the least so I wasn't surprised when I saw it sold in smaller bottles as an apertif rather than as a regular beer.
The Sam Adams website confirms the 1993 brew date, as the inauguration of their extreme beer brewing.
Can anyone shed some light on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.12.205.82 ( talk) 19:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Don't they have more beers than this? I can think of a few off of the top of my head: Bonfire Ale (or something similar); Chocolate Bock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.48.159.183 ( talk) 23:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
What about Angry Orchard also? Didn't they acquire Angry Orchard in like 2012 or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.218.206.127 ( talk) 06:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Can they be considered a craft beer? this somewhat reliable source says they are the #1 craft brewer in the us.(mercurywoodrose) 99.31.165.157 ( talk) 16:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
The article contained a section called Current family of beers consisting of marketing prose lifted from Sam Adams (e.g "The dark roasty, and slightly sweet flavors of a stout are blended with the unique, spicy and sour character of our Kosmic Mother Funk (KMF), an ale that's been aged in oak tuns for up to a year") and elsewhere (e.g. "Intense and full bodied with a deep roasted flavor, subtle sweetness, and earthy smokiness from the peat smoked malt.") from a marketing document.
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Imperial beers
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I have moved all of this egregious commercial material into the green collapsible box above in case anyone who is interested can find a way of listing the products without including the brown-nosing bullshit. I am not interested in going to the trouble of re-coding the tables as text or lists. None of the material should be restored to the article unless reliable third party sources can be provided to support its inclusion in the article – the entire section was unreferenced. — O'Dea ( talk) 08:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Several Costcos in Washington have a small quantity of this brew as of December 5, 2013. This likely because of the passage of I-1183 which allows spirits -- considered drinks above 15% ABV -- to be sold in certain retail establishments in the state. Removed Washington from the list of states where this drink is banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.2.80 ( talk) 07:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Please be aware that your history of founders at Boston Beer is complete fabrication. Jim Koch started Boston Beer with his partner Rhonda Kallman ( my wife)who headed up sales and marketting until 2000 when she retired after the company went public. Both Mr Rubin and Mr. lamadrid were some of the early investors who had zero input on day to day operations or input of product names ect,that they are mentioned at all is a complete outrage. Should you like to confirm I would be happy to put you in touch with Jim Koch. Regards, Matt Shanley
I see no reason for controversy; Boston Beer Company's own website clearly states who founded the company. Early small investors are not mentioned as founders. [3]. 65.96.42.245 ( talk) 20:10, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted the edits again. The website doesn't say that Kallman was a founder. It says that in the first few years "Jim Koch and his partner, Rhonda Kallman, were the only employees." There's no mention of her as a founder. Is there an independent source that claims she is a "founder" of the company?
Prof. Mc (
talk)
21:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Are you a friend of Mr. Rubin or his PR agent??, I see you defending him in some of your other posts. Your attempts at altering Boston Beer history by including 2 individuals who had nothing to do with running or founding the company is pathetic. Would you like to join me in a conference call with Jim Koch so HE can tell you who HIS founding partner was?? Stop spreading mis information and compromising Wikipidia. Beachisland ( talk) 11:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Though Koch himself has a prestigious background — including an MBA and a JD from Harvard and six years spent at the mega-competitive Boston Consulting Group — Boston Beer was brewed by salt of the earth. His founding partner was Rhonda Kallman, a 23-year-old secretary at BCG. "Had I picked as my partner one of those high-powered MBAs, I would never have gotten the energy, the drive, the creativity that Rhonda brought," Koch says. "She had a different experience set than I did. She knew people, she knew bars, she knew what it was like to be at the bottom of the totem pole." To this day, Koch says his first hire was his best hire.
Although the original post of this subsection made the issue "Kallman vs Rubin/Lamadrid", I don't believe this is a "either/or" issue. The involvement of these parties in the early company are two separate issues, and should each be resolved on their own merits. As suggested by ButtonwoodTree ( talk), I have broken the two issues out into separate subtopics. Guinness323 ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The issue has arisen as to whether Rhonda Kallman should be mentioned in this article. As I mentioned above, several credible secondary sources have taken the time to earmark her as central to the early successes of the company. Was she an original investor? The sources do not confirm this. Was she the first -- and for some time, the only -- employee? Yes, several of the sources note that Koch lured her from her job at BMC. A sentence indicating her central role in the early company should be added to the article, using the sources I have mentioned or any others that are germane. Guinness323 ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The article currently states that Rubin and Lamadrid helped with company management, branding decisions and product development. However, the only source used simply indicates that they were original investors. Statements about their further involvement have no references. I have not been able to find any other sources to support these statements. Unless someone else is able to provide corroborating sources, those statements about their close involvement in the early days of the company should be removed. Guinness323 ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)