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I am soliciting comments about the possible inclusion of the following:
In the book "Boston" by Henry Cabot Lodge, I find a quote that I would like to add to the Boston page. It is,
In the political events which have affected the history of the entire country, and in shaping the thought of a people who have come to be a great nation, Boston has played a leading part.
from: Boston / Henry Cabot Lodge (New York : Longman's, 1891) Mark Preston 15:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I think you mean that you do not like the inclusion of this quote. I'm unable to summarize anything this short. It's only 35 words long. Mark Preston 01:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
En l'article, Il est stated that the Boston, Worcester, Manchester metropolitan area was the fifth largest in the nation however, when the link is followed, BWM comes farther down. This shoudl be corrected. -Lindaige
An anonymous IP user recently added the following passage under culture:
Can anyone be able to verify this? Also, some of the sentences (notably the last. What does "it" refer to?) are unclear. Pentawing 16:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
The "it" refers to the scene there, it is known for its sometimes violent shows.
I added to the passage a bit to expand and justify it. I highlighted a famous record that came out of the scene as well as three well known clubs bands would frequent. Markco1
The building shown in the photo attached to the ridiculous "Oxford in America" heading in not in the City of Boston, but in the City of Newton. It does not belong on this page, and has been removed. Unless Alumni Field, which I believe is the only major BC structure even partially in Boston, has won some award, I expect this phote to stay off of this page for good.
The basis for naming this page Boston, Massachusetts instead of simply Boston and all other city articles according to a contrived [[City, State]] convention is a claim that this convention has been generally accepted. Yet there are important exceptions like New York City (rather than New York, New York) and no record of a vote on this issue. Shouldn't the name of this page be Boston since there is clearly no ambiguation issue (the Boston page is currently a redirect to this page anyway), and that is the universally common name used for the city (like New York City, not New York, New York, is for New York City)? To settle this issue there is a vote on whether the [[City, State]] and [[Neighborhood, City, State]] conventions should apply even in cases where there is no ambiguity issue, such as in Boston. You would be voting essentially on whether the name of this page and all other unambiguous city and neighborhood articles should be something like Boston, Massachusetts, New York, New York, Haight-Ashbury, San Francisco, California and Hollywood, Los Angeles, California according to "convention", or named according to the common name of the place, like Boston, New York City, Haight-Ashbury and Hollywood (but only when the name is unambiguous), like all other Wiki articles. Vote (and discuss futher) here: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names) -- Serge 07:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I mistyped my edit comment.
My point is that the words "Kyoto, for a thousand years the capital of Japan, is a sister city of Boston" are relevant to Boston (and is appropriately mentioned in the article). The picture itself is irrelevant, as it shows nothing about Boston. If we wanted to show a picture of Old City Hall and some strikingly similar building in France, to show that Old City Hall was built in French Second Empire Style, the building in France would be pictorially relevant. The picture of Kyoto is not. And we don't need pictures of Barcelona, Hangzhou, Melbourne Padua, Strasbourg, Sekondi-Takoradi or Taipei in the article either. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Boston City Hall, Boston City Council, Boston City Clerk, Boston City Departments are good examples of bad examples regarding access to public information. Routinely public enquiries for public information are deflected, delayed, denied. Even the Boston Finance Commission isn't open with BFC Reports.
Seeking a WP-compatible picture of City Hall or Government Center. The existing one, Image:Government_Center_Boston_vista.jpg, is non-free and is slated for deletion. TIA, - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 01:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I changed the wording to read "Harvard University, the nation's oldest institution of higher learning..." which is the language used in the Harvard University article. AFAIK just about everyone acknowledges this. There's probably some rival somewhere with a strained interpretation of founding dates and "higher learning" that claims to be older but I don't know who it would be.
There are problems with "Harvard University, the nation's oldest and one of the world's most prestigious universities..." This can be read as "nation's oldest university." The issue here is that Harvard is probably not the oldest institution in the U.S. to call itself a "university," or then again maybe it is, or then again maybe not. The University of Pennsylvania article awards UPenn that distinction, but I notice they don't actually give a year or a source for its being called a "university." Harvard University says it was first called a university in 1780—by the Commonwealth. As you'd expect, the College of William and Mary folks have something to say about this; and they seem to think it became a university in 1779 though, like Dartmouth, it is never called that. So, there was a lot of "university" action going on in the late 1700s and Harvard was neck-and-neck with others. When it comes to "institution of higher learning," though, Harvard, at 1636 or 1638 or 1639 or whatever clearly is older than the College of William and Mary or any other obvious rival.
"America's first college," used earlier in the article, would be sorta OK but there's ambiguity about "America" (isn't necessarily limited to the U.S.) and "college" (doesn't always mean higher ed).
Per Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms and Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism, there's no need to make the claim of "world's most prestigious." Readers can read the Harvard University article and make their own judgements. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P. S. The language used by Harvard itself at The early history of Harvard University is "the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P. P. S. Google search exact phrase "oldest institution of higher learning in the United States" turns up many references to Harvard, no obvious rivals on the first couple of hundred hits, and as you'd expect William and Mary is called by others and calls itself the "second oldest institution of higher learning in the United States." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P. P. P. S. The explicit restriction to "United States" rather than "America" is probably a good idea, as the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo was founded in 1538, and the National University of San Marcos in Lima, Peru in 1551. These seem to be the rivals for "oldest institution of higher learning in the Americas" (the Peru boosters apparently arguing that Santo Domingo being an island isn't really part of "the Americas"). I know that "America," singular means United States to you and me, but it doesn't to everyone.
Move Boston Forward forums web link didn't work ! when submitting forum sign up information at
http://www.cityofboston.gov/mayor/mayor_roundtable_form.asp
Here's the error that appeared...
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14'
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Line 1: Incorrect syntax near 's'.
/mayor/mayor_roundtable_form.asp, line 95
The Dig has a circulation of 50,000 [1] while the more reconizable Boston Phoenix has 235,000. [2] Does that really make the Dig a notable city paper? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone added the following passage to the article, yet the material is already mentioned in the government section. I am particularly opposed to the use of lists, as the passage below utilizes, yet it does contain some information (year that sister city relationships were formed) that are currently not present in the main article. Pentawing Talk 20:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Boston has eight sister cities. Parentheses indicate the year the relationships were formed.
Danzarrella has twice inserted this (without comment) so I guess we need to discuss it. To me, it says "Linkspam!", but others may feel differently.
Your thoughts? Atlant 20:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The text (under "Transportation") currently contains the following statement:
Besides the Leverett Circle, what's left? Where are the rotaries?
Atlant 17:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
The convention of Wikipedia, when discussing U.S. cities and regions, has been to use Farenheit first and Celsius second, in the same way that U.S. conventions of spelling are used in articles on U.S. topics (and British English is used for UK topics). In this article, Celsius is first. Why? Moncrief 16:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
--I deleted the following sentence from Demographics: "Boston has the second-largest work day population increase in the country just after Washington D.C." Does anyone have a source on this? It can't possibly be true in terms of raw numbers of people, and if it happens to be true in terms of percentage of population then we should clarify it and add a reference. -- Jleon 14:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/21/real_estate/buying_selling/daytime_population_cities/ The1McShane 14:38, 03 Oct 2006 (UTC)
I know that metric is used elsewhere, but in the US-centric articles, shouldn't we have Fahrenheit first, then Celsius in parentheses? -- 24.127.228.85 04:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the article lacks information on how the city has changed since 9/11. Some of the hijackers boarded the planes from boston and I think this played a major role on the history of the united states and the city. nothing is mentioned in the article. -- Don Quijote's Sancho 08:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
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I heard there was a special election this month, and the Election Department says it's for City Councillor District One. It would be cool if we had maps showing local electoral districts, and also more detailed information about the Council. (That might add enough content to necessitate a subarticle.) -- Beland 17:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I heard this morning on NPR that Boston has a sister city in Haifa, Israel. I checked the Haifa page and it is correct. My only problem is that I dont know where to amend this into the Boston article. Suggestions? Oo7jeep 15:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Added. Thanks! Oo7jeep 16:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I think by any reasonable measure boston is (considred) one of the oldest, wealthiest and most influential cities. Disagreement? Not my spelling....
Yes, of course. I should have quoted the page directly. My bad. "Boston is one of the oldest, wealthiest, and most culturally significant large cities in the United States". Jasper23 19:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Boston, Massachusetts → Boston – WP:NC(CN); World famous city. -- Serge 21:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no consensus for move. Joelito ( talk) 14:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation (and/or reference numbers from the above reason list), then sign your opinion with --~~~~.
Please note these conventions for naming settlements are merely guidelines, not rules written in stone.
(bold emphasis added)It is important to note that these are conventions, not rules written in stone. As Wikipedia grows and changes, some conventions that once made sense may become outdated, and there may be cases where a particular convention is "obviously" inappropriate.
So far, all reasons provided by those who oppose are that naming the article "Boston" is against the US city naming guidelines. Stating that it is against the guidelines is not valid because the guidelines already allow for exceptions. Those who oppose should provide reasons why Boston should not be an exception. The reasons for exempting Boston have already been provided in the nomination. -- Polaron | Talk 16:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Serge, do you confirm the existing U.S. convention, or is this proposed move part of an overall attempt to change the convention. If it is the latter then we shouldn't describe it as a proposed exception to the convention, but rather as an assault on it. I note that there hasn't been any recent discussion on the topic before this strawpoll was started, and that the exact same language is being used to propose a similar change to San Francisco, California. If this is a campaign to change all U.S. cities, let's decide it at a national level. - Will Beback 00:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion in progress on this topic at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements). There is nothing unique about the Boston case. I propose we move this debate there.-- agr 09:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to work on a large City Strawpoll to end the feuding about larger cities in the United States. Please visit the page, User:Ericsaindon2/Sandbox and leave comments on the talk page, but dont edit the actual page. After it has been modified to satisfy the community, I will go ahead and open it. But, please review it and comment, to avoid controversy over its structure. I hope to open it in a few days after discussion, so please be timely in making your comments. Thanks. -- Ericsaindon2 05:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I propose that this article be moved to Boston, and that Boston, Massachusetts redirect to Boston, with the same disambig link at the top, a la New York City. What does everybody think? -- AaronS 18:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
check out this site http://whybuyboston.com/ its pretty interesting and tells some interesting facts about the city and state like that Massachusetts has produced half of all Nobel Prize winners in the U.S.
There's an exaggeration on the climate section. Boston has never seen a huge 54 degree swing in temperatures, let alone being very common. That is like gong from 90 degrees to 36 degrees. I've never experienced that ever and would be highly unusual. I suggest deleting or ammending it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.92.76.85 ( talk • contribs) .
"Over the past several years Boston has experienced a dramatic loss of regional institutions and traditions, which once gave it a very distinct social character. The city, like others, faces gentrification issues and exorbitant living costs. Since the 1950s, however, Boston has once again emerged as a major hub of intellectual, technological, and political ideas."
This reads more like a high-school research paper than a coherent encyclopedia paragraph. Which regional institutions and traditions have been lost? What was the nature of their impact? Was this dramatic? What does this have to do with gentrification? Is their any source to verify that gentrification is a problem? Why are the "several years" of the first sentence contrasting a purported re-emergence starting in the 50s?
Should this be researched and reworked, or deleted?
There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. -- Serge 05:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure that the Election Department paragraph outlining recent election issues is necessary - I am not sure if this a place for current events. That paragraph does not truly represent the city. Thoughts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markco1 ( talk • contribs) .
" Irish Americans are a major influence on Boston's politics and religious institutions." Was removed by 192.44.136.103 which looks like a fake IP to me. Should we retore it? I feel there is some truth to the statement Markco1 02:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
are there any such chinese suburbs in boston? like what you may find in richmond british columbia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.229.24 ( talk) 01:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
So why, if the correct quote is Hub of the Solar System, does the Hub of the Universe appear near the map at the top under nicknames? It even has a superscript 1 clarifying the quote!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.208.93.66 ( talk) 19:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC).
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I am soliciting comments about the possible inclusion of the following:
In the book "Boston" by Henry Cabot Lodge, I find a quote that I would like to add to the Boston page. It is,
In the political events which have affected the history of the entire country, and in shaping the thought of a people who have come to be a great nation, Boston has played a leading part.
from: Boston / Henry Cabot Lodge (New York : Longman's, 1891) Mark Preston 15:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I think you mean that you do not like the inclusion of this quote. I'm unable to summarize anything this short. It's only 35 words long. Mark Preston 01:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
En l'article, Il est stated that the Boston, Worcester, Manchester metropolitan area was the fifth largest in the nation however, when the link is followed, BWM comes farther down. This shoudl be corrected. -Lindaige
An anonymous IP user recently added the following passage under culture:
Can anyone be able to verify this? Also, some of the sentences (notably the last. What does "it" refer to?) are unclear. Pentawing 16:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
The "it" refers to the scene there, it is known for its sometimes violent shows.
I added to the passage a bit to expand and justify it. I highlighted a famous record that came out of the scene as well as three well known clubs bands would frequent. Markco1
The building shown in the photo attached to the ridiculous "Oxford in America" heading in not in the City of Boston, but in the City of Newton. It does not belong on this page, and has been removed. Unless Alumni Field, which I believe is the only major BC structure even partially in Boston, has won some award, I expect this phote to stay off of this page for good.
The basis for naming this page Boston, Massachusetts instead of simply Boston and all other city articles according to a contrived [[City, State]] convention is a claim that this convention has been generally accepted. Yet there are important exceptions like New York City (rather than New York, New York) and no record of a vote on this issue. Shouldn't the name of this page be Boston since there is clearly no ambiguation issue (the Boston page is currently a redirect to this page anyway), and that is the universally common name used for the city (like New York City, not New York, New York, is for New York City)? To settle this issue there is a vote on whether the [[City, State]] and [[Neighborhood, City, State]] conventions should apply even in cases where there is no ambiguity issue, such as in Boston. You would be voting essentially on whether the name of this page and all other unambiguous city and neighborhood articles should be something like Boston, Massachusetts, New York, New York, Haight-Ashbury, San Francisco, California and Hollywood, Los Angeles, California according to "convention", or named according to the common name of the place, like Boston, New York City, Haight-Ashbury and Hollywood (but only when the name is unambiguous), like all other Wiki articles. Vote (and discuss futher) here: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names) -- Serge 07:28, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I mistyped my edit comment.
My point is that the words "Kyoto, for a thousand years the capital of Japan, is a sister city of Boston" are relevant to Boston (and is appropriately mentioned in the article). The picture itself is irrelevant, as it shows nothing about Boston. If we wanted to show a picture of Old City Hall and some strikingly similar building in France, to show that Old City Hall was built in French Second Empire Style, the building in France would be pictorially relevant. The picture of Kyoto is not. And we don't need pictures of Barcelona, Hangzhou, Melbourne Padua, Strasbourg, Sekondi-Takoradi or Taipei in the article either. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Boston City Hall, Boston City Council, Boston City Clerk, Boston City Departments are good examples of bad examples regarding access to public information. Routinely public enquiries for public information are deflected, delayed, denied. Even the Boston Finance Commission isn't open with BFC Reports.
Seeking a WP-compatible picture of City Hall or Government Center. The existing one, Image:Government_Center_Boston_vista.jpg, is non-free and is slated for deletion. TIA, - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 01:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I changed the wording to read "Harvard University, the nation's oldest institution of higher learning..." which is the language used in the Harvard University article. AFAIK just about everyone acknowledges this. There's probably some rival somewhere with a strained interpretation of founding dates and "higher learning" that claims to be older but I don't know who it would be.
There are problems with "Harvard University, the nation's oldest and one of the world's most prestigious universities..." This can be read as "nation's oldest university." The issue here is that Harvard is probably not the oldest institution in the U.S. to call itself a "university," or then again maybe it is, or then again maybe not. The University of Pennsylvania article awards UPenn that distinction, but I notice they don't actually give a year or a source for its being called a "university." Harvard University says it was first called a university in 1780—by the Commonwealth. As you'd expect, the College of William and Mary folks have something to say about this; and they seem to think it became a university in 1779 though, like Dartmouth, it is never called that. So, there was a lot of "university" action going on in the late 1700s and Harvard was neck-and-neck with others. When it comes to "institution of higher learning," though, Harvard, at 1636 or 1638 or 1639 or whatever clearly is older than the College of William and Mary or any other obvious rival.
"America's first college," used earlier in the article, would be sorta OK but there's ambiguity about "America" (isn't necessarily limited to the U.S.) and "college" (doesn't always mean higher ed).
Per Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms and Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism, there's no need to make the claim of "world's most prestigious." Readers can read the Harvard University article and make their own judgements. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P. S. The language used by Harvard itself at The early history of Harvard University is "the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P. P. S. Google search exact phrase "oldest institution of higher learning in the United States" turns up many references to Harvard, no obvious rivals on the first couple of hundred hits, and as you'd expect William and Mary is called by others and calls itself the "second oldest institution of higher learning in the United States." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
P. P. P. S. The explicit restriction to "United States" rather than "America" is probably a good idea, as the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo was founded in 1538, and the National University of San Marcos in Lima, Peru in 1551. These seem to be the rivals for "oldest institution of higher learning in the Americas" (the Peru boosters apparently arguing that Santo Domingo being an island isn't really part of "the Americas"). I know that "America," singular means United States to you and me, but it doesn't to everyone.
Move Boston Forward forums web link didn't work ! when submitting forum sign up information at
http://www.cityofboston.gov/mayor/mayor_roundtable_form.asp
Here's the error that appeared...
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14'
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Line 1: Incorrect syntax near 's'.
/mayor/mayor_roundtable_form.asp, line 95
The Dig has a circulation of 50,000 [1] while the more reconizable Boston Phoenix has 235,000. [2] Does that really make the Dig a notable city paper? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone added the following passage to the article, yet the material is already mentioned in the government section. I am particularly opposed to the use of lists, as the passage below utilizes, yet it does contain some information (year that sister city relationships were formed) that are currently not present in the main article. Pentawing Talk 20:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Boston has eight sister cities. Parentheses indicate the year the relationships were formed.
Danzarrella has twice inserted this (without comment) so I guess we need to discuss it. To me, it says "Linkspam!", but others may feel differently.
Your thoughts? Atlant 20:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The text (under "Transportation") currently contains the following statement:
Besides the Leverett Circle, what's left? Where are the rotaries?
Atlant 17:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
The convention of Wikipedia, when discussing U.S. cities and regions, has been to use Farenheit first and Celsius second, in the same way that U.S. conventions of spelling are used in articles on U.S. topics (and British English is used for UK topics). In this article, Celsius is first. Why? Moncrief 16:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
--I deleted the following sentence from Demographics: "Boston has the second-largest work day population increase in the country just after Washington D.C." Does anyone have a source on this? It can't possibly be true in terms of raw numbers of people, and if it happens to be true in terms of percentage of population then we should clarify it and add a reference. -- Jleon 14:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/21/real_estate/buying_selling/daytime_population_cities/ The1McShane 14:38, 03 Oct 2006 (UTC)
I know that metric is used elsewhere, but in the US-centric articles, shouldn't we have Fahrenheit first, then Celsius in parentheses? -- 24.127.228.85 04:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the article lacks information on how the city has changed since 9/11. Some of the hijackers boarded the planes from boston and I think this played a major role on the history of the united states and the city. nothing is mentioned in the article. -- Don Quijote's Sancho 08:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
![]() | It is requested that a map or maps be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Wikipedians in Boston may be able to help! |
I heard there was a special election this month, and the Election Department says it's for City Councillor District One. It would be cool if we had maps showing local electoral districts, and also more detailed information about the Council. (That might add enough content to necessitate a subarticle.) -- Beland 17:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I heard this morning on NPR that Boston has a sister city in Haifa, Israel. I checked the Haifa page and it is correct. My only problem is that I dont know where to amend this into the Boston article. Suggestions? Oo7jeep 15:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Added. Thanks! Oo7jeep 16:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I think by any reasonable measure boston is (considred) one of the oldest, wealthiest and most influential cities. Disagreement? Not my spelling....
Yes, of course. I should have quoted the page directly. My bad. "Boston is one of the oldest, wealthiest, and most culturally significant large cities in the United States". Jasper23 19:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Boston, Massachusetts → Boston – WP:NC(CN); World famous city. -- Serge 21:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no consensus for move. Joelito ( talk) 14:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation (and/or reference numbers from the above reason list), then sign your opinion with --~~~~.
Please note these conventions for naming settlements are merely guidelines, not rules written in stone.
(bold emphasis added)It is important to note that these are conventions, not rules written in stone. As Wikipedia grows and changes, some conventions that once made sense may become outdated, and there may be cases where a particular convention is "obviously" inappropriate.
So far, all reasons provided by those who oppose are that naming the article "Boston" is against the US city naming guidelines. Stating that it is against the guidelines is not valid because the guidelines already allow for exceptions. Those who oppose should provide reasons why Boston should not be an exception. The reasons for exempting Boston have already been provided in the nomination. -- Polaron | Talk 16:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Serge, do you confirm the existing U.S. convention, or is this proposed move part of an overall attempt to change the convention. If it is the latter then we shouldn't describe it as a proposed exception to the convention, but rather as an assault on it. I note that there hasn't been any recent discussion on the topic before this strawpoll was started, and that the exact same language is being used to propose a similar change to San Francisco, California. If this is a campaign to change all U.S. cities, let's decide it at a national level. - Will Beback 00:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a discussion in progress on this topic at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements). There is nothing unique about the Boston case. I propose we move this debate there.-- agr 09:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to work on a large City Strawpoll to end the feuding about larger cities in the United States. Please visit the page, User:Ericsaindon2/Sandbox and leave comments on the talk page, but dont edit the actual page. After it has been modified to satisfy the community, I will go ahead and open it. But, please review it and comment, to avoid controversy over its structure. I hope to open it in a few days after discussion, so please be timely in making your comments. Thanks. -- Ericsaindon2 05:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I propose that this article be moved to Boston, and that Boston, Massachusetts redirect to Boston, with the same disambig link at the top, a la New York City. What does everybody think? -- AaronS 18:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
check out this site http://whybuyboston.com/ its pretty interesting and tells some interesting facts about the city and state like that Massachusetts has produced half of all Nobel Prize winners in the U.S.
There's an exaggeration on the climate section. Boston has never seen a huge 54 degree swing in temperatures, let alone being very common. That is like gong from 90 degrees to 36 degrees. I've never experienced that ever and would be highly unusual. I suggest deleting or ammending it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.92.76.85 ( talk • contribs) .
"Over the past several years Boston has experienced a dramatic loss of regional institutions and traditions, which once gave it a very distinct social character. The city, like others, faces gentrification issues and exorbitant living costs. Since the 1950s, however, Boston has once again emerged as a major hub of intellectual, technological, and political ideas."
This reads more like a high-school research paper than a coherent encyclopedia paragraph. Which regional institutions and traditions have been lost? What was the nature of their impact? Was this dramatic? What does this have to do with gentrification? Is their any source to verify that gentrification is a problem? Why are the "several years" of the first sentence contrasting a purported re-emergence starting in the 50s?
Should this be researched and reworked, or deleted?
There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. -- Serge 05:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure that the Election Department paragraph outlining recent election issues is necessary - I am not sure if this a place for current events. That paragraph does not truly represent the city. Thoughts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markco1 ( talk • contribs) .
" Irish Americans are a major influence on Boston's politics and religious institutions." Was removed by 192.44.136.103 which looks like a fake IP to me. Should we retore it? I feel there is some truth to the statement Markco1 02:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
are there any such chinese suburbs in boston? like what you may find in richmond british columbia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.229.24 ( talk) 01:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
So why, if the correct quote is Hub of the Solar System, does the Hub of the Universe appear near the map at the top under nicknames? It even has a superscript 1 clarifying the quote!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.208.93.66 ( talk) 19:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC).