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Should Scheiße have its own page since it had a music video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQb4bMIG2IY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.149.188 ( talk) 08:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Watch the video I linked.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.149.188 ( talk) 21:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
http://www.hot100brasil.com/chtalbums.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 22:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Double Platinum in Brazil with 80.000 albums sold. http://www.ladygagabrasil.com.br/2011/05/30/born-this-way-e-platina-dupla-no-brasil/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.71.119.130 ( talk) 05:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
From oricon.co.jp/news, Lady Gaga debuts at #1 in Japan with 184,000 copies sold in the first week. The article also says she is the first western solo artist since Michael Jackson's 'This Is It' in 2009 to reach #1 and the first western female since Madonna's Hard Candy in 2008.
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/rankmusic/88250/full/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 21:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure if there's a better forum for this post...
Anyway, before I initiate any edit war (again...sorry dudes), I'd like to ask your views on naming the header above the paragraph that deals with the critiques received by the album. All the album articles with sourced, notable critiques have the basically quite similar paragraph that lists them. In my opinion, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Internal_consistency is not a problem here, because all articles tend to have structurally the same stuff in the critiques section (1: X has received mostly negative/mixed/favorable/positive reviews 2) review by Rolling Stone, review by The Independent, review by Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.).
Therefore, I would prefer to stick to one standard header. Which one sounds more "encyclopedic": "Critical reception" or "Critical response"? "Reception" [1] seems to be more common than "response". [2] -- Frous ( talk) 15:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraphs, it says that Born This Way sold 288,000 units in its first day. However, this article by Billboard says that she sold at least 500,000 units in its first day. Coldplay's previous record was 288,000 units in one week. Hope this article clears that up:
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/update-lady-gaga-s-born-this-way-will-sell-1005205482.story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 14:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Since it's been agreed (multiple times, even) that Born This Way is her second studio album, should it be pointed out that this is also her third major release? It lists The Fame Monster as her second major release, so it would make sense to list this as the third. MusicMonster96 ( talk) 14:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Please correct this someone !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.134.184.189 ( talk) 15:55, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The Born This Way album is #1 in the Czech Republic.
http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparada/index.php?hitp=P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 20:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Wait for billboard to publish officially tomorrow: http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi Orane (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
To the nor,mal editors of thjis page, dont use words like controversy, huge sales etc. as they are just bad wrikting. WP shouldnt preach any incident as controversy, it should be completely neutral. Anmd im typing with my left hand. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
The Amazon deal contributed with approximately 450k, which is 40% not 60%. Someone correct it!-- HusseinIED ( talk) 10:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Born This Way is number 1 in Austria in it's first week.
Look here at the Austria Top 40 Charts:
http://charts.orf.at/oe3/longplay/2011/woche21/main — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.42.71 ( talk) 17:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Born This Way hit #1 in Canada with sales of 81,000.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/01/lady-gagas-born-has-monster-debut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 18:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Acording to Ladygaga.com, the album has sold " GLOBAL SALES MARK OF OVER 2,000,000 COPIES IN THE FIRST WEEK". Plis add this -- NicolásTM ( talk) 23:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.hdu-toplista.com/index.php?what=arhiva&w=details&id=855 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 15:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
This "although Amazon's decision to sell the digital version of the album for US$ 0.99 for two days during its first week of release contributed to 40 percent of its overall total." should be removed cause it's information that will be stated and detailed further in the article and tells the reader something like: "hey, the album sold 1 million, but a 40% of if was sold at 0.99 cents and that's not fair".
That information is not important for a general description of the album, not matter how controversial it was.
Sobercool Here2Help 02:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Is this appropriate? It's not very well sourced as being 'heavily criticized'. It should be removed for now, I think. KnowitallWiki ( talk) 01:44, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Well I actually observed more clearly in the past week that the people most criticizing it are either people who don't even like her (haters in a more formal way) or fans of other artists who are simply angry because she would join the elite group of artists who sold 1m copies in first-week sales by, as they say, "cheating" which is entirely based on public opinion, "Controversial" would be a more suitable word simply because not all the response has been negative; some media outlets saw it as an opportunity to minimize illegal downloading (which caused album sales to drop 65% over the past 10 years). In the end, it generated talk, both negative AND positive, making it "controversial", as "negative" would be biased like the user above says.-- HusseinIED ( talk) 22:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough, but shouldn't we at least state that Gaga and the label did not take part in this decision and that it was part of Amazon's promotional strategy?-- HusseinIED ( talk) 14:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I think these reports need to be put to balance: Reuters (a news agency) talks about 2.1-million shipments [3] and Digital Spy (an entertainment and media news website) talks about 2-million sales. [4] In my opinion, we should wait for sales reports from sources like Reuters (that I consider a tiny bit more reliable than Digital Spy) before we go gaga about huge sales... Opinions? -- Frous ( talk) 17:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Platinum album is if sold more than 1,000,000 copies, isn't it? and Born sold 1,108,000 copies... is it true? Ofekalef ( talk) 10:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Flanders - http://www.ultratop.be/nl/weekchart.asp?cat=a&year=2011&date=20110604 Wallonia - http://www.ultratop.be/fr/weekchart.asp?cat=a&year=2011&date=20110604 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 14:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
It peaked at number one in Malaysia and some other countries, but I can't find a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.134.176.5 ( talk) 18:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The album sold 440,000 copies through Amazon, so shouldn't it be 44% instead of 40%? Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC).
No, because first week sales were 1,108 mio. and not 1 mio., so 440k is 40% of it ;) ! -- 79.199.57.134 ( talk) 18:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I guess it should be included that "Born This Way" is a concept album: 1. it deals with her different personalities and how she is 2. the songs are mostly written by her point of view 3. the songs all have a major message: tollerance, acceptance and faith.-- 79.199.21.71 ( talk) 19:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
It's indeed a concept album. At it's core, Born This Way is about the juxtaposition of light and darkness, and their symbiotic relationship with one another. This is reflected on the album cover (bright chrome on black), in the lyrics (judas/jesus dichotomy, marry the night, bad kids, etc.), through the video imagery (Judas/Jesus, Born This Way's Manifesto: "rotating in agony between two ultimate forces" / "how can i protect something so perfect... without evil?"), and through melody and chord progression (dark churning techno verses juxtaposed against soaring joyful choruses). It's not about her different "personalities" per se, but about how she reconciles the dark and light parts of herself (i.e. how she deals with the internal hypocrisy of being an artist but also extremely commercially successful). 184.144.104.132 ( talk) 22:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Editors to this article have argued for revising the layout of the article body's sections so that "Promotion" and "Singles" sections follow the "Reception" sections, citing other Lady Gaga album articles. User:Legolas2186 for instance expressed at his talk page that the reasoning for this is that "Promotion" is "secondary info" and less important ( User_talk:Legolas2186#Born_This_Way_headings). However, Wikipedia supports internal consistency in their guidelines ( Wikipedia:CONSISTENCY#Internal_consistency; "style and formatting choices should be consistent within a Wikipedia article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia as a whole"). I argued for structuring the body sections in a chronological style, seeing it as how most or all WP:Albums articles are structured (1) Background, 2) Recording, 3) Release/promotion 4) Reception), something more similar to the guideline shown at WP:Albums about the article body ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Article body). And because there is no style set as policy, I've argued with the reason that it may be more accessible for readers of such articles to have a chronologically-based structure. Dan56 ( talk) 03:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
http://norwegiancharts.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 14:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
2nd week sales of 169,000? Expect an Adele takeover next week. Orane (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
BTW it's n° 1 in the Greek Chart. We need a new "web cite" link.-- NicolásTM ( talk) 19:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC) PD: In Mexico, it's n° 1 with platinum.
No. 1 in Mexico with a Platinum certification.
http://greaves.tv/amprofon3/Top100.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 10:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Two weeks after the release, the album was already shipped more than 5 mio. times worldwide and reached No. 1 in 27 countries.
source: Germany's Next Topmodel, finale, 09th June, 2011 (announced by Heidi Klum before Lady Gaga's perfomance)
-- 79.199.42.60 ( talk) 21:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Why are people constantly removing it? It's a professional rating and review that's included in most Lady Gaga articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobercool ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
There have been multiple discussions regarding About.com at WP:RSN and WP:FAC (search archives). Consensus is that About.com guides must have independent reliability per WP:SPS. For example, Mark Edward Nero is reliable because he has written about music for several reliable newspapers. Bill Lamb has no specialist experience or qualifications in music, and therefore is not considered reliable. Newspaper critics are reliable because newspaper articles are subject to review by newspaper editors, who check facts and accuracy. Adabow ( talk · contribs) 04:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
In the official Lady Gaga's site, is written that "The album has also debuted at the top spot in [...] India, South Korea & Taiwan" LadyGaga.com News | Born This Way First Week Sales Results! -- Emish94 ( talk) 05:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Source: Taiwan international albums chart http://www.g-music.com.tw/GMusicBillboard2.aspx (week 21 and 22 at the bottom)
additional source: Taipei Times http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2011/06/10/2003505430 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.8.241.211 ( talk) 02:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
The album was unbanned in Lebanon days ago, can't seem to find a reliable source. But the government issued a statement on this matter and I have friends over there who have already bought the album!-- HusseinIED ( talk) 18:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi 142.150.48.113 ( talk) 21:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
OMG, Adele back at number one in thus week's Billboard!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.242.187 ( talk) 23:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
"Government Hooker" contains vocals from Gaga's bodyguard, Peter Van der Veen. Should we ad this under the tracklisting? 75.26.254.185 ( talk) 14:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Reaching No. 1 in Germany, it's the first time that an artist had a No. 1 song and a No. 1 album with the same name since Robbie Williams' "Rudebox" in 2006. The last female artist to achieve this was Britney Spears with "... Baby one more time" in 1999.
Please include this! -- 79.199.21.178 ( talk) 16:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Why source? In charting questions, you can also look it up yourself and so I did. I went through the charting years of German Albums / Singles Chart to find it and it didn't happen after those albums I named... -- 79.199.24.6 ( talk) 20:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
why is her performance in the uk, Berlin, Rome (or Romania) and France not included in the release and promotions section? YZJay talktome 10:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Itunes calls it "Bonus Track Version". I suggest it should be renamed from the "Special Edition" to the "Bonus Track Version" 119.153.22.235 ( talk) 13:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't know whether this is considered a proper source, but a press release on Lady Gaga's website is citing the official album sales as being 4 million to date. Link RM-47 ( talk) 17:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
gagadaily said it sold a total of three milions they said that on the text before the fourth single poll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.43.223.241 ( talk) 14:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
"It debuted atop the US Billboard 200 chart with first-week sales of 1.11 million copies. Over 430,000 of these sales were at a special price of US$ 0.99, which Amazon offered for two days during the album's first week of release."
I think I read somewhere that the 430K sales came from digital stores, not necessarily Amazon only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.151.133 ( talk) 21:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
So this was seen at the bottom of the tracklisting: ""Yoü and I" contains elements of "We Will Rock You" recorded by Queen and written by Brian May." Is there a source for this? The only resemblance I hear is the pattern, not the actual drums used in "We Will Rock You"; wouldn't that make the sentence incorrect, or am I mistaken? 75.26.254.185 ( talk) 23:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
The song "Born This Way" is about how everybody is equal, regardless of the color of their skin, their sexuality or their creed, and that every single person can fulfil their dream
Dispute... I really, really, really don't think that's what the song is about at all.
Source itself is not credible.
not a neutral POV — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oygp ( talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Could we make a page for Bloody Mary, it topped the Taiwanese Top 10 Singles Chart this week... I think it's sufficient... -- Emish94 ( talk) 22:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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hi i'm a big fan of lady gaga and i'm hoping you respond so either you can edit or i can edit by putting "Hair" and "You And I" on the part where it says singles from the album :) BiggestLittleMonster ( talk) 19:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC) thats all if you say yes thanx and if no thanx for reading this :)
Should the setlist for her performance in Taiwan be listed here? I don't have the setlist, but if it's found... Squidoh ( talk) 10:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I have the setlist:
1. Born This Way 2. Just Dance 3. Telephone 4. Alejandro 5. Hair 6. Yoü and I 7. Bad Romance 8. The Edge of Glory 9. Judas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.136.39.75 ( talk) 02:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Scheiße needs to have its own article. It has been overly popular. It has been voted by many people to be the next single. She performed a snippet on Germany's next top model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.184.26 ( talk) 09:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I've just expanded the composition section, because, frankly, I thought that it wasn't right just to have a description about the singles and not about the album's other tracks. -- Theologiae ( talk) 13:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Source - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.riaj.or.jp/data/others/gold/201106.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 15:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand it. The album sold more than 1 million copies in the US, but RIAA (is this the site) still didn't write this. I also thinks Edge is also platinum. Ofekalef ( talk) 06:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand why gold or platinum status is even listed for artists on wikipedia, if it has to be 'applied for' and doesn't automatically happen then it's bound to become a flawed way of guaging success (and let's face it record companies have better things to do than constantly applying for these stupid accreditations when billboard already announces actual the sales). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 ( talk) 05:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Here had a source.-- NicolásTM ( talk) 16:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
So the sales have gone in reverse? from 5 million back to 2 million? the 5 million sales has been talked about COUNTLESS TIMES over the last few weeks in the media! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 ( talk) 05:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Gold for Born This Way in Indonesia...
-- 79.199.53.47 ( talk) 14:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
->>> Here http://creativedisc.com/news/music-news/lady-gaga-got-best-selling-album-in-indonesia/
still don't believe it Legolas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
check that out, it's from Universal Music Indonesia official Facebook page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh if i might add, if you are busy enough to translate those articles at google translate. I'll help you. It says, Gaga got 5X platinum for The Fame Monster (I think you need to add this on The Fame Monster page) and Gold for Born This Way.
But do you have the official certification website for Indonesia? I couldn't find it... I also have got official press reports about her reaching certifications in India and the Philippines, is there no way to include them?
By the way: BTW reaches Platinum in Europe, therefore I've got the official site: http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20110713.html
@Legolas: How come you know that I'm Timmy94 :) ? -- 79.199.20.226 ( talk) 18:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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4th single: Yoü and I release date: TBA
Kevindehulsters ( talk) 05:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Gold for Born This Way in Indonesia...
-- 79.199.53.47 ( talk) 14:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
->>> Here http://creativedisc.com/news/music-news/lady-gaga-got-best-selling-album-in-indonesia/
still don't believe it Legolas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
check that out, it's from Universal Music Indonesia official Facebook page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh if i might add, if you are busy enough to translate those articles at google translate. I'll help you. It says, Gaga got 5X platinum for The Fame Monster (I think you need to add this on The Fame Monster page) and Gold for Born This Way.
But do you have the official certification website for Indonesia? I couldn't find it... I also have got official press reports about her reaching certifications in India and the Philippines, is there no way to include them?
By the way: BTW reaches Platinum in Europe, therefore I've got the official site: http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20110713.html
@Legolas: How come you know that I'm Timmy94 :) ? -- 79.199.20.226 ( talk) 18:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The album includes a lot Christian elements and lyrics, so shouldn't "Contemporary Christian music" be added to the genre? -- 79.199.57.134 ( talk) 18:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
No way...The album has religious allusions (very distinctive from elements), but is not pro-christain in any way. Gaga is not a gospel or contemporary christain singer, she's a secular pop artist.
She sings about bloody Mary and falling in love with Judas, the man who betrayed jesus. Those lyrics are her way of pulling people's strings because she herself has said countless times that she does not condone or believe in any form of organized religion. Also, christain music does not allow explicit lyrics. She swears several times over the duration of the album, and she has FAR more lyrics that reference sex than she does referencing any religious deity.
I think people keep getting the wrong idea from from the lyrics of the title track. She did that intentionally. — Preceding
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You claiming her to be a secular artist is wrong. She went to a Catholic school her whole life. If she was secular she wouldn't declare "God makes no mistakes". And she doesn't really love Judas Iscariot she ascutally is in love with a man who betrayed her kind of like the way Judas betrayed Jesus. Gte your facts right man before you post anything recklessly. -- Mishternagy ( talk) 18:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Don't be ethnocentric, what i wrote was not wrong. I did do my research, and so should you. My consensus was drawn from 3 years worth of observing interviews and all media outlets. She's said so herself that she "sees god in her fans." Her version of god isn't the supernatural deity that Christians believe in. She's actually closer to being labeled agnostic, because she is spiritual but doesn't believe in a popularized god and isn't quite sure which one she does believe in. And as for the catholic claim...I went to a catholic school as well. Both her and I are no longer Catholics. Going to a faith based church does not make you a believer any more than being born into a religion makes you religious. And i did not respond to this innocent person's question to argue with people. You have your beliefs, Gaga has her own, and so does everyone else. The end. Look up the word ethnocentrism and do the math. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.158.72 ( talk) 19:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
In no way is Lady Gaga agnostic, and in Born This Way when she says God makes no mistakes, she's talking about the deity, not Little Monsters, she's referring to how God creates people to be who they are, if she meant Little Monsters, the that would mean Little Monsters are the ones that create everyone, seriously think about these things before you type them, I'm a true Little Monster and I happen to know that she STILL is Catholic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick0627 ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Let's not forget in You & I she claims "there's only three men I'm gonna serve in my whole life, it's my daddy and Nebraska and Jesus Christ". Pretty pro-Christian, in Bloody Mary, a song about Jesus' death from Mary Magdalene's perspective, she says, while talking about Jesus himself, "my religion's you", then later says "I'll dance with my hands above my head like Jesus said", thus following Jesus' commands. Pretty pro-Christian too. People have also pointed out the "God makes no mistakes" line, and if you took a moment to look past the title of Judas, you'd know she quite clearly calls Judas a demon, and Jesus her virtue. Regarding the first point about adding the contemporary Christian music genre, I don't think it'd really work out, seeing as it isn't the predominant theme of the music, rather it's just a reccurring image. Some songs are completely devoid of any notable Christian analogies. 92.235.224.50 ( talk) 17:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
The Personnel section of the page states that Lady Gaga provides background vocals for the album. Shouldn't it also say lead vocals/"vocals" in general? According to the Personnel section this album contains only background vocals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.51.113.88 ( talk) 02:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I don't know why no one adds the reason why Lady Gaga has chosen the edgy pictures for her Born This Way artwork?! Some people are misleading that she has chosen them to "shock" people. I don't think so! In numerous interviews, Gaga has stated things like that!
The album cover features Gaga fused into a motorcycle. She explained why in an interview with London's Metro newspaper:
"On the album cover I'm half motorcycle as I now feel that I'm in a space where I can explain artistically that I am endlessly transformative and I'm now the vehicle, not just for my voice, but the voice of my generation and what we have to say about the world."
Some kinds like she's a vehicle, and she wanna ride her fans through the endless journeys. Do you think we should add some? :\
Some sources for "I'm a vehicle" things: http://www.shallownation.com/2011/05/23/lady-gaga-on-the-view-video-may-23-2011-interview/ http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Lady-Gaga-talks-bullying-and-SNL--releases-new-album/8146729
On portraying herself as half woman, half motorcycle: "I am endlessly transforming and riding, and I am the vehicle for the voice of my fans, for the voice of my creativity, and I'm always on a freedom ride to myself." => Source: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/lady_gaga_im_on_a_freedom_ride.html
(Sorry guys, I don't have MUCH time to edit my stuffs! :( †hinhin_of_you / buzzworthy / βoy Ünder Ғlowers 16:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys. Born this way peaked at Nº4 in Argentinian Singles Charts. http://www.webcitation.org/60TO1kiGb If you go to www.capif.org.ar , then you go to "Ranking y estadisticas" then "Ranking Semanal Pop" and the week of 29/05/2011. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbebitodelamuerte ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
There is no RIAA for this album...? Didnt it sell well over 1 million on the first day alone? 108.49.68.75 ( talk) 22:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
"Yoü and I" is the fourth single to be released from Lady Gaga's third studio album, "Born This Way." Billboard says... -- NicolásTM ( talk) 05:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Gold in Philippines: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=70&articleId=706671 Gold in India: http://www.radioandmusic.com/content/editorial/news/lady-gaga-born-this-way-hits-gold-india
I know that this is not a chart web, but is the only source that I found. And It seems reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.33.19 ( talk) 10:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
BTW is platinum in USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe71941 ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Born_This_Way#Background_and_recording says Gaga revealed the album art Apr. 15, but in Born_This_Way#Concept_and_artwork, it says the 17th. Please clarify to avoid confusion. — WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:15, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
If you check 'Ranking Semanal Pop' (weekly ranking) for the week dated 22/05/2011, Born This Way was #1 in Argentina. The #4 peak shown on the charts section of this page actually refers to its monthly position.
http://adminlic.capif.org.ar/sis_resultados_rankings_web.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.115.195 ( talk) 15:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
http://www.promusicae.es/files/listastonos/Top%2050%20Canciones%20(PUBLICAR)_w35.2011.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.192.16.118 ( talk) 14:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Its said that this album is predominantly focused on fame and wealth, while the main focus of the album is identity, freedom and love. Please, I the owner of the page to change that statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.225.14.19 ( talk) 19:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi i just wanna ask for some things that would be changed on the article:
•Fist of all: Can be shortenned the "Judas" composition section i mean it's too much information just for one song that i'ts explained better on the main article
•Second: In other natable songs [6] shouldn't be added the chart performance of the most notable non-singles songs?
•Third: Just asking, should be added a Legacy/Cultural impact Section similar to Adele's 21? [7]
Sorry 4 My English, Have a cool day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agrock ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
i dont see whats the big problem that we cant have the deluxe edtion cover, they have it on rihannas talk that talk album...??? -- 91.154.98.180 ( talk) 16:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Edge of Glory and You and I are merged into one paragraph in the singles section. it looks a little un-neat, and i suggest you to please sepreate them into different paragraphs. 203.99.178.80 ( talk) 07:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
This album has two cover, and there is only one! Please add a second cover. Coverings can be found here: 1, 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GalaKapanadze ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Could we possibly include the Born This Way: The Collection cover as an alternative cover? http://www.ladygaga.com/photos/detail.aspx?fid=22274&phid=22276 – Chase ( talk / contribs) 20:34, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Can we please pick a confirmed release date for Marry The Night? Samlikeswiki ( talk) 17:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, is it worth making an article for the collection? Or maybe just a section in the "Born This Way" article itself? It seems relevant. Samlikeswiki ( talk) 01:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Two reliable sources claim this number. Not only that, but we had multiple sources from late June that reported it had sold 5 million by that time. I find it hard to believe that it is just now reaching 5 million when we had multiple reliable sources for that figure three whole months ago. Furthermore, the album sold 2.5 million copies in its first week alone. Is it so hard to believe that the album would have sold an average of 250,000 copies for the twelve weeks after it reached 5 million? Of course not. 8 million is the most up-to-date figure we have and comes from reiable sources. Digital Spy, I'm sure, is just as reliable as itself (the source used to justify a 5 million claim). MusicMonster96 ( talk) 19:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
BTW doens't sell 8 million copies. You can count the sales here: http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-week40-2011.htm so it's just nearly 5 millions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.221.125.154 ( talk) 09:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
mediatraffic.de is as reliable as the tales our mothers & grandmothers used to tell us, when we were little kids. -- 178.10.137.182 ( talk) 18:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Everyone else's sales are based on the Media Traffic site. Its the most accurate site that keeps track of international numbers. Adele has crossed 12 million fare and square. Loud is hardly at 5 million despite Def Jam saying 8. BTW debuted huge (with and without the help of Amazon) but it also suffered a huge decline in pretty much every market afterwards. Just look at the charts in the following weeks and today. Its had little staying power compared to 21 or even Loud. — Preceding
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And by the way, when Adele commented on her sales and said that she had sold 10m, it was around the time Media Traffic reported it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.71.157.114 ( talk) 20:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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Should Scheiße have its own page since it had a music video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQb4bMIG2IY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.149.188 ( talk) 08:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Watch the video I linked.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.149.188 ( talk) 21:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
http://www.hot100brasil.com/chtalbums.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 22:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Double Platinum in Brazil with 80.000 albums sold. http://www.ladygagabrasil.com.br/2011/05/30/born-this-way-e-platina-dupla-no-brasil/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.71.119.130 ( talk) 05:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
From oricon.co.jp/news, Lady Gaga debuts at #1 in Japan with 184,000 copies sold in the first week. The article also says she is the first western solo artist since Michael Jackson's 'This Is It' in 2009 to reach #1 and the first western female since Madonna's Hard Candy in 2008.
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/rankmusic/88250/full/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 21:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure if there's a better forum for this post...
Anyway, before I initiate any edit war (again...sorry dudes), I'd like to ask your views on naming the header above the paragraph that deals with the critiques received by the album. All the album articles with sourced, notable critiques have the basically quite similar paragraph that lists them. In my opinion, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Internal_consistency is not a problem here, because all articles tend to have structurally the same stuff in the critiques section (1: X has received mostly negative/mixed/favorable/positive reviews 2) review by Rolling Stone, review by The Independent, review by Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.).
Therefore, I would prefer to stick to one standard header. Which one sounds more "encyclopedic": "Critical reception" or "Critical response"? "Reception" [1] seems to be more common than "response". [2] -- Frous ( talk) 15:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraphs, it says that Born This Way sold 288,000 units in its first day. However, this article by Billboard says that she sold at least 500,000 units in its first day. Coldplay's previous record was 288,000 units in one week. Hope this article clears that up:
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/retail/update-lady-gaga-s-born-this-way-will-sell-1005205482.story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 14:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Since it's been agreed (multiple times, even) that Born This Way is her second studio album, should it be pointed out that this is also her third major release? It lists The Fame Monster as her second major release, so it would make sense to list this as the third. MusicMonster96 ( talk) 14:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Please correct this someone !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.134.184.189 ( talk) 15:55, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The Born This Way album is #1 in the Czech Republic.
http://www.ifpicr.cz/hitparada/index.php?hitp=P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 20:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Wait for billboard to publish officially tomorrow: http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi Orane (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
To the nor,mal editors of thjis page, dont use words like controversy, huge sales etc. as they are just bad wrikting. WP shouldnt preach any incident as controversy, it should be completely neutral. Anmd im typing with my left hand. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
The Amazon deal contributed with approximately 450k, which is 40% not 60%. Someone correct it!-- HusseinIED ( talk) 10:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Born This Way is number 1 in Austria in it's first week.
Look here at the Austria Top 40 Charts:
http://charts.orf.at/oe3/longplay/2011/woche21/main — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.42.71 ( talk) 17:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Born This Way hit #1 in Canada with sales of 81,000.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/01/lady-gagas-born-has-monster-debut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 18:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Acording to Ladygaga.com, the album has sold " GLOBAL SALES MARK OF OVER 2,000,000 COPIES IN THE FIRST WEEK". Plis add this -- NicolásTM ( talk) 23:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.hdu-toplista.com/index.php?what=arhiva&w=details&id=855 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 15:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
This "although Amazon's decision to sell the digital version of the album for US$ 0.99 for two days during its first week of release contributed to 40 percent of its overall total." should be removed cause it's information that will be stated and detailed further in the article and tells the reader something like: "hey, the album sold 1 million, but a 40% of if was sold at 0.99 cents and that's not fair".
That information is not important for a general description of the album, not matter how controversial it was.
Sobercool Here2Help 02:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Is this appropriate? It's not very well sourced as being 'heavily criticized'. It should be removed for now, I think. KnowitallWiki ( talk) 01:44, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Well I actually observed more clearly in the past week that the people most criticizing it are either people who don't even like her (haters in a more formal way) or fans of other artists who are simply angry because she would join the elite group of artists who sold 1m copies in first-week sales by, as they say, "cheating" which is entirely based on public opinion, "Controversial" would be a more suitable word simply because not all the response has been negative; some media outlets saw it as an opportunity to minimize illegal downloading (which caused album sales to drop 65% over the past 10 years). In the end, it generated talk, both negative AND positive, making it "controversial", as "negative" would be biased like the user above says.-- HusseinIED ( talk) 22:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough, but shouldn't we at least state that Gaga and the label did not take part in this decision and that it was part of Amazon's promotional strategy?-- HusseinIED ( talk) 14:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I think these reports need to be put to balance: Reuters (a news agency) talks about 2.1-million shipments [3] and Digital Spy (an entertainment and media news website) talks about 2-million sales. [4] In my opinion, we should wait for sales reports from sources like Reuters (that I consider a tiny bit more reliable than Digital Spy) before we go gaga about huge sales... Opinions? -- Frous ( talk) 17:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Platinum album is if sold more than 1,000,000 copies, isn't it? and Born sold 1,108,000 copies... is it true? Ofekalef ( talk) 10:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Flanders - http://www.ultratop.be/nl/weekchart.asp?cat=a&year=2011&date=20110604 Wallonia - http://www.ultratop.be/fr/weekchart.asp?cat=a&year=2011&date=20110604 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 14:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
It peaked at number one in Malaysia and some other countries, but I can't find a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.134.176.5 ( talk) 18:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The album sold 440,000 copies through Amazon, so shouldn't it be 44% instead of 40%? Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC).
No, because first week sales were 1,108 mio. and not 1 mio., so 440k is 40% of it ;) ! -- 79.199.57.134 ( talk) 18:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I guess it should be included that "Born This Way" is a concept album: 1. it deals with her different personalities and how she is 2. the songs are mostly written by her point of view 3. the songs all have a major message: tollerance, acceptance and faith.-- 79.199.21.71 ( talk) 19:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
It's indeed a concept album. At it's core, Born This Way is about the juxtaposition of light and darkness, and their symbiotic relationship with one another. This is reflected on the album cover (bright chrome on black), in the lyrics (judas/jesus dichotomy, marry the night, bad kids, etc.), through the video imagery (Judas/Jesus, Born This Way's Manifesto: "rotating in agony between two ultimate forces" / "how can i protect something so perfect... without evil?"), and through melody and chord progression (dark churning techno verses juxtaposed against soaring joyful choruses). It's not about her different "personalities" per se, but about how she reconciles the dark and light parts of herself (i.e. how she deals with the internal hypocrisy of being an artist but also extremely commercially successful). 184.144.104.132 ( talk) 22:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Editors to this article have argued for revising the layout of the article body's sections so that "Promotion" and "Singles" sections follow the "Reception" sections, citing other Lady Gaga album articles. User:Legolas2186 for instance expressed at his talk page that the reasoning for this is that "Promotion" is "secondary info" and less important ( User_talk:Legolas2186#Born_This_Way_headings). However, Wikipedia supports internal consistency in their guidelines ( Wikipedia:CONSISTENCY#Internal_consistency; "style and formatting choices should be consistent within a Wikipedia article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia as a whole"). I argued for structuring the body sections in a chronological style, seeing it as how most or all WP:Albums articles are structured (1) Background, 2) Recording, 3) Release/promotion 4) Reception), something more similar to the guideline shown at WP:Albums about the article body ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Article body). And because there is no style set as policy, I've argued with the reason that it may be more accessible for readers of such articles to have a chronologically-based structure. Dan56 ( talk) 03:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
http://norwegiancharts.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 14:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
2nd week sales of 169,000? Expect an Adele takeover next week. Orane (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
BTW it's n° 1 in the Greek Chart. We need a new "web cite" link.-- NicolásTM ( talk) 19:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC) PD: In Mexico, it's n° 1 with platinum.
No. 1 in Mexico with a Platinum certification.
http://greaves.tv/amprofon3/Top100.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 10:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Two weeks after the release, the album was already shipped more than 5 mio. times worldwide and reached No. 1 in 27 countries.
source: Germany's Next Topmodel, finale, 09th June, 2011 (announced by Heidi Klum before Lady Gaga's perfomance)
-- 79.199.42.60 ( talk) 21:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Why are people constantly removing it? It's a professional rating and review that's included in most Lady Gaga articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sobercool ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
There have been multiple discussions regarding About.com at WP:RSN and WP:FAC (search archives). Consensus is that About.com guides must have independent reliability per WP:SPS. For example, Mark Edward Nero is reliable because he has written about music for several reliable newspapers. Bill Lamb has no specialist experience or qualifications in music, and therefore is not considered reliable. Newspaper critics are reliable because newspaper articles are subject to review by newspaper editors, who check facts and accuracy. Adabow ( talk · contribs) 04:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
In the official Lady Gaga's site, is written that "The album has also debuted at the top spot in [...] India, South Korea & Taiwan" LadyGaga.com News | Born This Way First Week Sales Results! -- Emish94 ( talk) 05:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Source: Taiwan international albums chart http://www.g-music.com.tw/GMusicBillboard2.aspx (week 21 and 22 at the bottom)
additional source: Taipei Times http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2011/06/10/2003505430 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.8.241.211 ( talk) 02:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
The album was unbanned in Lebanon days ago, can't seem to find a reliable source. But the government issued a statement on this matter and I have friends over there who have already bought the album!-- HusseinIED ( talk) 18:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi 142.150.48.113 ( talk) 21:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
OMG, Adele back at number one in thus week's Billboard!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.242.187 ( talk) 23:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
"Government Hooker" contains vocals from Gaga's bodyguard, Peter Van der Veen. Should we ad this under the tracklisting? 75.26.254.185 ( talk) 14:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Reaching No. 1 in Germany, it's the first time that an artist had a No. 1 song and a No. 1 album with the same name since Robbie Williams' "Rudebox" in 2006. The last female artist to achieve this was Britney Spears with "... Baby one more time" in 1999.
Please include this! -- 79.199.21.178 ( talk) 16:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Why source? In charting questions, you can also look it up yourself and so I did. I went through the charting years of German Albums / Singles Chart to find it and it didn't happen after those albums I named... -- 79.199.24.6 ( talk) 20:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
why is her performance in the uk, Berlin, Rome (or Romania) and France not included in the release and promotions section? YZJay talktome 10:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Itunes calls it "Bonus Track Version". I suggest it should be renamed from the "Special Edition" to the "Bonus Track Version" 119.153.22.235 ( talk) 13:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't know whether this is considered a proper source, but a press release on Lady Gaga's website is citing the official album sales as being 4 million to date. Link RM-47 ( talk) 17:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
gagadaily said it sold a total of three milions they said that on the text before the fourth single poll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.43.223.241 ( talk) 14:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
"It debuted atop the US Billboard 200 chart with first-week sales of 1.11 million copies. Over 430,000 of these sales were at a special price of US$ 0.99, which Amazon offered for two days during the album's first week of release."
I think I read somewhere that the 430K sales came from digital stores, not necessarily Amazon only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.151.133 ( talk) 21:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
So this was seen at the bottom of the tracklisting: ""Yoü and I" contains elements of "We Will Rock You" recorded by Queen and written by Brian May." Is there a source for this? The only resemblance I hear is the pattern, not the actual drums used in "We Will Rock You"; wouldn't that make the sentence incorrect, or am I mistaken? 75.26.254.185 ( talk) 23:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
The song "Born This Way" is about how everybody is equal, regardless of the color of their skin, their sexuality or their creed, and that every single person can fulfil their dream
Dispute... I really, really, really don't think that's what the song is about at all.
Source itself is not credible.
not a neutral POV — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oygp ( talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Could we make a page for Bloody Mary, it topped the Taiwanese Top 10 Singles Chart this week... I think it's sufficient... -- Emish94 ( talk) 22:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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hi i'm a big fan of lady gaga and i'm hoping you respond so either you can edit or i can edit by putting "Hair" and "You And I" on the part where it says singles from the album :) BiggestLittleMonster ( talk) 19:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC) thats all if you say yes thanx and if no thanx for reading this :)
Should the setlist for her performance in Taiwan be listed here? I don't have the setlist, but if it's found... Squidoh ( talk) 10:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I have the setlist:
1. Born This Way 2. Just Dance 3. Telephone 4. Alejandro 5. Hair 6. Yoü and I 7. Bad Romance 8. The Edge of Glory 9. Judas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.136.39.75 ( talk) 02:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Scheiße needs to have its own article. It has been overly popular. It has been voted by many people to be the next single. She performed a snippet on Germany's next top model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.184.26 ( talk) 09:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I've just expanded the composition section, because, frankly, I thought that it wasn't right just to have a description about the singles and not about the album's other tracks. -- Theologiae ( talk) 13:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Source - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.riaj.or.jp/data/others/gold/201106.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.104.229 ( talk) 15:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand it. The album sold more than 1 million copies in the US, but RIAA (is this the site) still didn't write this. I also thinks Edge is also platinum. Ofekalef ( talk) 06:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand why gold or platinum status is even listed for artists on wikipedia, if it has to be 'applied for' and doesn't automatically happen then it's bound to become a flawed way of guaging success (and let's face it record companies have better things to do than constantly applying for these stupid accreditations when billboard already announces actual the sales). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 ( talk) 05:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Here had a source.-- NicolásTM ( talk) 16:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
So the sales have gone in reverse? from 5 million back to 2 million? the 5 million sales has been talked about COUNTLESS TIMES over the last few weeks in the media! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 ( talk) 05:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Gold for Born This Way in Indonesia...
-- 79.199.53.47 ( talk) 14:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
->>> Here http://creativedisc.com/news/music-news/lady-gaga-got-best-selling-album-in-indonesia/
still don't believe it Legolas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
check that out, it's from Universal Music Indonesia official Facebook page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh if i might add, if you are busy enough to translate those articles at google translate. I'll help you. It says, Gaga got 5X platinum for The Fame Monster (I think you need to add this on The Fame Monster page) and Gold for Born This Way.
But do you have the official certification website for Indonesia? I couldn't find it... I also have got official press reports about her reaching certifications in India and the Philippines, is there no way to include them?
By the way: BTW reaches Platinum in Europe, therefore I've got the official site: http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20110713.html
@Legolas: How come you know that I'm Timmy94 :) ? -- 79.199.20.226 ( talk) 18:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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4th single: Yoü and I release date: TBA
Kevindehulsters ( talk) 05:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Gold for Born This Way in Indonesia...
-- 79.199.53.47 ( talk) 14:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
->>> Here http://creativedisc.com/news/music-news/lady-gaga-got-best-selling-album-in-indonesia/
still don't believe it Legolas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
check that out, it's from Universal Music Indonesia official Facebook page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.6.180 ( talk) 01:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh if i might add, if you are busy enough to translate those articles at google translate. I'll help you. It says, Gaga got 5X platinum for The Fame Monster (I think you need to add this on The Fame Monster page) and Gold for Born This Way.
But do you have the official certification website for Indonesia? I couldn't find it... I also have got official press reports about her reaching certifications in India and the Philippines, is there no way to include them?
By the way: BTW reaches Platinum in Europe, therefore I've got the official site: http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20110713.html
@Legolas: How come you know that I'm Timmy94 :) ? -- 79.199.20.226 ( talk) 18:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The album includes a lot Christian elements and lyrics, so shouldn't "Contemporary Christian music" be added to the genre? -- 79.199.57.134 ( talk) 18:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
No way...The album has religious allusions (very distinctive from elements), but is not pro-christain in any way. Gaga is not a gospel or contemporary christain singer, she's a secular pop artist.
She sings about bloody Mary and falling in love with Judas, the man who betrayed jesus. Those lyrics are her way of pulling people's strings because she herself has said countless times that she does not condone or believe in any form of organized religion. Also, christain music does not allow explicit lyrics. She swears several times over the duration of the album, and she has FAR more lyrics that reference sex than she does referencing any religious deity.
I think people keep getting the wrong idea from from the lyrics of the title track. She did that intentionally. — Preceding
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You claiming her to be a secular artist is wrong. She went to a Catholic school her whole life. If she was secular she wouldn't declare "God makes no mistakes". And she doesn't really love Judas Iscariot she ascutally is in love with a man who betrayed her kind of like the way Judas betrayed Jesus. Gte your facts right man before you post anything recklessly. -- Mishternagy ( talk) 18:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Don't be ethnocentric, what i wrote was not wrong. I did do my research, and so should you. My consensus was drawn from 3 years worth of observing interviews and all media outlets. She's said so herself that she "sees god in her fans." Her version of god isn't the supernatural deity that Christians believe in. She's actually closer to being labeled agnostic, because she is spiritual but doesn't believe in a popularized god and isn't quite sure which one she does believe in. And as for the catholic claim...I went to a catholic school as well. Both her and I are no longer Catholics. Going to a faith based church does not make you a believer any more than being born into a religion makes you religious. And i did not respond to this innocent person's question to argue with people. You have your beliefs, Gaga has her own, and so does everyone else. The end. Look up the word ethnocentrism and do the math. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.158.72 ( talk) 19:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
In no way is Lady Gaga agnostic, and in Born This Way when she says God makes no mistakes, she's talking about the deity, not Little Monsters, she's referring to how God creates people to be who they are, if she meant Little Monsters, the that would mean Little Monsters are the ones that create everyone, seriously think about these things before you type them, I'm a true Little Monster and I happen to know that she STILL is Catholic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick0627 ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Let's not forget in You & I she claims "there's only three men I'm gonna serve in my whole life, it's my daddy and Nebraska and Jesus Christ". Pretty pro-Christian, in Bloody Mary, a song about Jesus' death from Mary Magdalene's perspective, she says, while talking about Jesus himself, "my religion's you", then later says "I'll dance with my hands above my head like Jesus said", thus following Jesus' commands. Pretty pro-Christian too. People have also pointed out the "God makes no mistakes" line, and if you took a moment to look past the title of Judas, you'd know she quite clearly calls Judas a demon, and Jesus her virtue. Regarding the first point about adding the contemporary Christian music genre, I don't think it'd really work out, seeing as it isn't the predominant theme of the music, rather it's just a reccurring image. Some songs are completely devoid of any notable Christian analogies. 92.235.224.50 ( talk) 17:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
The Personnel section of the page states that Lady Gaga provides background vocals for the album. Shouldn't it also say lead vocals/"vocals" in general? According to the Personnel section this album contains only background vocals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.51.113.88 ( talk) 02:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I don't know why no one adds the reason why Lady Gaga has chosen the edgy pictures for her Born This Way artwork?! Some people are misleading that she has chosen them to "shock" people. I don't think so! In numerous interviews, Gaga has stated things like that!
The album cover features Gaga fused into a motorcycle. She explained why in an interview with London's Metro newspaper:
"On the album cover I'm half motorcycle as I now feel that I'm in a space where I can explain artistically that I am endlessly transformative and I'm now the vehicle, not just for my voice, but the voice of my generation and what we have to say about the world."
Some kinds like she's a vehicle, and she wanna ride her fans through the endless journeys. Do you think we should add some? :\
Some sources for "I'm a vehicle" things: http://www.shallownation.com/2011/05/23/lady-gaga-on-the-view-video-may-23-2011-interview/ http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Lady-Gaga-talks-bullying-and-SNL--releases-new-album/8146729
On portraying herself as half woman, half motorcycle: "I am endlessly transforming and riding, and I am the vehicle for the voice of my fans, for the voice of my creativity, and I'm always on a freedom ride to myself." => Source: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/lady_gaga_im_on_a_freedom_ride.html
(Sorry guys, I don't have MUCH time to edit my stuffs! :( †hinhin_of_you / buzzworthy / βoy Ünder Ғlowers 16:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys. Born this way peaked at Nº4 in Argentinian Singles Charts. http://www.webcitation.org/60TO1kiGb If you go to www.capif.org.ar , then you go to "Ranking y estadisticas" then "Ranking Semanal Pop" and the week of 29/05/2011. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elbebitodelamuerte ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
There is no RIAA for this album...? Didnt it sell well over 1 million on the first day alone? 108.49.68.75 ( talk) 22:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
"Yoü and I" is the fourth single to be released from Lady Gaga's third studio album, "Born This Way." Billboard says... -- NicolásTM ( talk) 05:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Gold in Philippines: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=70&articleId=706671 Gold in India: http://www.radioandmusic.com/content/editorial/news/lady-gaga-born-this-way-hits-gold-india
I know that this is not a chart web, but is the only source that I found. And It seems reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.33.19 ( talk) 10:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
BTW is platinum in USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe71941 ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Born_This_Way#Background_and_recording says Gaga revealed the album art Apr. 15, but in Born_This_Way#Concept_and_artwork, it says the 17th. Please clarify to avoid confusion. — WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 00:15, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
If you check 'Ranking Semanal Pop' (weekly ranking) for the week dated 22/05/2011, Born This Way was #1 in Argentina. The #4 peak shown on the charts section of this page actually refers to its monthly position.
http://adminlic.capif.org.ar/sis_resultados_rankings_web.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.115.195 ( talk) 15:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
http://www.promusicae.es/files/listastonos/Top%2050%20Canciones%20(PUBLICAR)_w35.2011.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.192.16.118 ( talk) 14:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Its said that this album is predominantly focused on fame and wealth, while the main focus of the album is identity, freedom and love. Please, I the owner of the page to change that statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.225.14.19 ( talk) 19:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi i just wanna ask for some things that would be changed on the article:
•Fist of all: Can be shortenned the "Judas" composition section i mean it's too much information just for one song that i'ts explained better on the main article
•Second: In other natable songs [6] shouldn't be added the chart performance of the most notable non-singles songs?
•Third: Just asking, should be added a Legacy/Cultural impact Section similar to Adele's 21? [7]
Sorry 4 My English, Have a cool day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agrock ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
i dont see whats the big problem that we cant have the deluxe edtion cover, they have it on rihannas talk that talk album...??? -- 91.154.98.180 ( talk) 16:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Edge of Glory and You and I are merged into one paragraph in the singles section. it looks a little un-neat, and i suggest you to please sepreate them into different paragraphs. 203.99.178.80 ( talk) 07:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
This album has two cover, and there is only one! Please add a second cover. Coverings can be found here: 1, 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GalaKapanadze ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Could we possibly include the Born This Way: The Collection cover as an alternative cover? http://www.ladygaga.com/photos/detail.aspx?fid=22274&phid=22276 – Chase ( talk / contribs) 20:34, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Can we please pick a confirmed release date for Marry The Night? Samlikeswiki ( talk) 17:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, is it worth making an article for the collection? Or maybe just a section in the "Born This Way" article itself? It seems relevant. Samlikeswiki ( talk) 01:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Two reliable sources claim this number. Not only that, but we had multiple sources from late June that reported it had sold 5 million by that time. I find it hard to believe that it is just now reaching 5 million when we had multiple reliable sources for that figure three whole months ago. Furthermore, the album sold 2.5 million copies in its first week alone. Is it so hard to believe that the album would have sold an average of 250,000 copies for the twelve weeks after it reached 5 million? Of course not. 8 million is the most up-to-date figure we have and comes from reiable sources. Digital Spy, I'm sure, is just as reliable as itself (the source used to justify a 5 million claim). MusicMonster96 ( talk) 19:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
BTW doens't sell 8 million copies. You can count the sales here: http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-week40-2011.htm so it's just nearly 5 millions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.221.125.154 ( talk) 09:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
mediatraffic.de is as reliable as the tales our mothers & grandmothers used to tell us, when we were little kids. -- 178.10.137.182 ( talk) 18:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Everyone else's sales are based on the Media Traffic site. Its the most accurate site that keeps track of international numbers. Adele has crossed 12 million fare and square. Loud is hardly at 5 million despite Def Jam saying 8. BTW debuted huge (with and without the help of Amazon) but it also suffered a huge decline in pretty much every market afterwards. Just look at the charts in the following weeks and today. Its had little staying power compared to 21 or even Loud. — Preceding
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And by the way, when Adele commented on her sales and said that she had sold 10m, it was around the time Media Traffic reported it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.71.157.114 ( talk) 20:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)