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I removed this as blatant anti- Cixi POV but it was good enough to preserve here: Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang "was an excellent politician who did not to interfere in politics, unlike the notorious Empress Dowager Cixi. However, when the conditions required, she rendered her efforts." — AjaxSmack 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Why there are no links to such articles as Ashina or Descent from Genghis Khan? -- Ghirla -трёп- 13:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Since Mongols and Mongolians have never used surnames throughout history, this entire section was nonsense, despite the cited "sources". At best, the information given was a grave misunderstanding, at worst it was an elaborate hoax. I have rewritten it based on a source that actually knows what it is talking about. -- Latebird 10:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the whole section, as it looked like some fringe theory and unsupported by mainstream sources. It was added two years ago by an IP whose only other edit, on the same day, looks like exactly the same kind of conjecture. Yaan 11:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Boru really means wolf in old turkish so the story about the uyghur wolf prince sounds plausible. If the name of the family of Genghis Khan itself is turkish why is it so unbelievable that genghis khan may have turkic roots? Unless you deny the existence of a clan by the name of borjigin altogether. In a lot of sources the physical appearance of genghis khan is said to have been more european than that of other mongolians. This is in accordance with the uyghur/turkic roots theory. Also some of the initial tribes that were united under genghis khan were either turkic or mongolian-turkic mix and eventually the majority of genghis khan's army/empire was turkic so the history of the turks is intertwined with that of the mongols. We originated from the same people and region. I think you shouldn't delete information before you are sure that the information is incorrect. Don't let your nationalist feelings cloud your judgment. If you are going to delete everything that is not properly sourced you can delete most of whikipedia. Ibrahim4048 18:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I merged Borjigin with Chingisid, Chinggisid. Although, every Borjigin can't be counted as Chingisid, it is Mongolian Royal family, which was derived from Chingis Khaan's ancestors as you all know.-- Enerelt ( talk) 08:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
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LothofOrkney, the above article has no relevance to the article subject. Whether or not the claim was falsfied is irrelevant—the section is about the origin of the name. Obviously a story which involves a woman being impregnated by a dog or a shaft of light is made up (which incidentally makes the claim that "Italian historian Igor de Rachewiltz claimed that the Mongol origins of the early ancestors of Genghis Khan were animals" even weirder, ignoring the fact he's not mentioned in the article in the pages cited). The point is that there is no mention of the term "Borjigin" in the Aigle article, and that to draw a link between the two is WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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I removed this as blatant anti- Cixi POV but it was good enough to preserve here: Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang "was an excellent politician who did not to interfere in politics, unlike the notorious Empress Dowager Cixi. However, when the conditions required, she rendered her efforts." — AjaxSmack 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Why there are no links to such articles as Ashina or Descent from Genghis Khan? -- Ghirla -трёп- 13:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Since Mongols and Mongolians have never used surnames throughout history, this entire section was nonsense, despite the cited "sources". At best, the information given was a grave misunderstanding, at worst it was an elaborate hoax. I have rewritten it based on a source that actually knows what it is talking about. -- Latebird 10:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the whole section, as it looked like some fringe theory and unsupported by mainstream sources. It was added two years ago by an IP whose only other edit, on the same day, looks like exactly the same kind of conjecture. Yaan 11:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Boru really means wolf in old turkish so the story about the uyghur wolf prince sounds plausible. If the name of the family of Genghis Khan itself is turkish why is it so unbelievable that genghis khan may have turkic roots? Unless you deny the existence of a clan by the name of borjigin altogether. In a lot of sources the physical appearance of genghis khan is said to have been more european than that of other mongolians. This is in accordance with the uyghur/turkic roots theory. Also some of the initial tribes that were united under genghis khan were either turkic or mongolian-turkic mix and eventually the majority of genghis khan's army/empire was turkic so the history of the turks is intertwined with that of the mongols. We originated from the same people and region. I think you shouldn't delete information before you are sure that the information is incorrect. Don't let your nationalist feelings cloud your judgment. If you are going to delete everything that is not properly sourced you can delete most of whikipedia. Ibrahim4048 18:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I merged Borjigin with Chingisid, Chinggisid. Although, every Borjigin can't be counted as Chingisid, it is Mongolian Royal family, which was derived from Chingis Khaan's ancestors as you all know.-- Enerelt ( talk) 08:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody knows the meaning of Borjigin?
I am very curious about the Etymology of Borjigin.
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LothofOrkney, the above article has no relevance to the article subject. Whether or not the claim was falsfied is irrelevant—the section is about the origin of the name. Obviously a story which involves a woman being impregnated by a dog or a shaft of light is made up (which incidentally makes the claim that "Italian historian Igor de Rachewiltz claimed that the Mongol origins of the early ancestors of Genghis Khan were animals" even weirder, ignoring the fact he's not mentioned in the article in the pages cited). The point is that there is no mention of the term "Borjigin" in the Aigle article, and that to draw a link between the two is WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)